Harrytheheid
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DO U LIKE THE IDEA FOR GREEK FIGURES
Yeah, I certainly do, as long as they're set in around 1200BC, depict Mycenae Warriors - and are part of a Trojan War range.
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DO U LIKE THE IDEA FOR GREEK FIGURES
Yeah, I certainly do, as long as they're set in around 1200BC, depict Mycenae Warriors - and are part of a Trojan War range.
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My 2008 Prediction (aka Wish List)
1. Polish Lancers
2. Wellington's British Artillery Train
3. Afrika Korps 88
4. LAH in goose step on parade
5. Kriegsmarine in action (i.e. U-boot stuff)
6. Unmounted, better sculpted Napoleon
1. Polish Lancers
2. Wellington's British Artillery Train
3. Afrika Korps 88
4. LAH in goose step on parade
5. Kriegsmarine in action (i.e. U-boot stuff)
6. Unmounted, better sculpted Napoleon
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Okay, I'll give this a go for WWII only lines:
EA - Grant, Crusader
AK - 88mm, tank riders
FOB - Panzer III
WS - Panzer IV, Hanomag, 'classic' Wehmacht and SS troops
MG - Comet, Firefly, Bedford (might be DD)
DD - Brit Infantry (might be MG), Dragon Wagon (to keep Michael happy)
FJ - FJs in action poses + behind the lines poses, possibly in later camo
+
New line - Eastern Front Winter -
to include Winter Russian Infantry, winter T-34, winter (repaint) Panzer IV
New Line - Crossing the Rhine -
to include US Infantry, M16 Quad, M3 Halftrack, non-winter M24 Chaffee (repaint)
There. That ought to leave me bankrupt.
Simon
EA - Grant, Crusader
AK - 88mm, tank riders
FOB - Panzer III
WS - Panzer IV, Hanomag, 'classic' Wehmacht and SS troops
MG - Comet, Firefly, Bedford (might be DD)
DD - Brit Infantry (might be MG), Dragon Wagon (to keep Michael happy)
FJ - FJs in action poses + behind the lines poses, possibly in later camo
+
New line - Eastern Front Winter -
to include Winter Russian Infantry, winter T-34, winter (repaint) Panzer IV
New Line - Crossing the Rhine -
to include US Infantry, M16 Quad, M3 Halftrack, non-winter M24 Chaffee (repaint)
There. That ought to leave me bankrupt.
Simon
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I would actually like to see the rare M3 U.S. halftrack that had the 75 mm main cannon mounted on its backside. A medical tent with some figures carrying in a wounded soldier. It would also make a nice companion to the ambulance jeep.
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I think that is pretty offensive thing to say especially as my uncle was in Greece in the RAF and a lot of his friends died supporting Greece. A lot of British forces (army, navy, airforce, special services etc.) supported Greece well before the USA entered the war and in fact at a time that maybe we should have been supporting ourselves!
Some reading for your interest ....
http://warandgame.wordpress.com/2007/12/10/the-royal-air-force-in-greece-1941/
If you also Strategos just go into Google and type in key words of British war support in Greece, 1941 you will find tens of thousands of articles on it!
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You are soooooo right Ken. Even 3 months ago I would have verbally ripped Strategos to pieces - so bad he'd have trouble sitting down for the next week, for making such an offensive statement. However, since my spell in solitary confinement and subsequent rehabilitation in the community I've become almost too nice. So here's a bit of the Real Bad Heid.
Strategos. You are out of order with your blind statement that the British Army didn't support Greece - why were we there if that's the case?
By the way, I can perceive very little interest in Greek figures dated after Alexander The Great. Okay Macedonian, but close enough. In fact the only thing I can see Greece being famous for these days is Demi Roussos AKA "The Singing Tent", Moussaka, Big Fat Weddings, Nana Maskuri and Goats Cheese. Please note that there's no mention of fighting skills there. Although I do concede that your lot put up a reasonable show against the Italians, but then again, the 3rd Renfrewshire Girl Guides could have put up a good show against the Italians in 1941.
So there you go, like it or lump it.
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Harry
I think Greece are also very famous for being Euro 2004 champions.
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Good to see the rehab is working.......
Good ol' Churchill, O'Connor wanted to press on to Tunis against the defeated Italians and before Rommels 'blocking force' arrived, but Churchill insisted on over-ruling Wavell and made him send so much of his force to Greece that he could not advance. Snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory.
Not even the Greeks wanted a small force that would not be able to stop the Germans and that is just what they got - plus the poor Royal Navy was subsequently clobbered by the Luftwaffe and nearly lost mastery of the Med and the RAF became even more hopelessly overstretched.
Political mastery of military logic again......
Even though we know what a relative scarifice that was at the time - a huge one for the Commonwealth forces
- however for the impact factor, the Greeks might be forgiven a little for not noticing much.Perhaps the intervention in the Greek civil war a few years later may have also affected the history books?
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but then again, the RD Renfrewshire Girl Guides could have put up a good show against the Italians in 1941.
Harry - I wouldn't argue with a bada$$ lot like that - would you
No way man, fearsome troops....!!!! I have first hand experience of that Division. They make the Gurkas look like wimps. (Apologies to the Gurkas, you were the first elite troops that sprung to mind). I reckon if the Yanks had had them available during DD, then the war would definitely have been over by Christmas 1944.....and incidentally, a lot of silver & gold would have found its way to our shores by clandestine means...
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Good to see the rehab is working.......
Good ol' Churchill, O'Connor wanted to press on to Tunis against the defeated Italians and before Rommels 'blocking force' arrived, but Churchill insisted on over-ruling Wavell and made him send so much of his force to Greece that he could not advance. Snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory.
Not even the Greeks wanted a small force that would not be able to stop the Germans and that is just what they got - plus the poor Royal Navy was subsequently clobbered by the Luftwaffe and nearly lost mastery of the Med and the RAF became even more hopelessly overstretched.
Political mastery of military logic again......
Even though we know what a relative scarifice that was at the time - a huge one for the Commonwealth forces
Perhaps the intervention in the Greek civil war a few years later may have also affected the history books?
Yeah well Kevin. At least they could show some form of being grateful that we saved them from the horrors of Stalinist rule, communism, call it what you will, in 1945.......
I just found the entire comment, just dismissing the Brit/Commonwealth out of hand to be more than deserving of a Blast from The Heid. But it wasn't until I read Ken's response that I felt compelled to add my tuppence-worth.
Yes, we're all proud of our countries, of course we are, but sweeping comments such as "British Army failed to support us" belittles those members of the same army who laid down their lives in the cause of freedom from totalitarianism (wow, not sure if that's a real word).
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Brad you may wish to moderate..................
After a couple of glasses of local hop tea, I feel moved to write about a famous scene from Band of Brothers I discovered in my Market Garden research for the dio thread. You remember the one where the **** fool British tanker ignored the Tiger behind the house..........and poor ol' Buck took one in the seating cushions.......
Well - never being one for controversy........
The whole op was under the control of Col Sink - the 506th commander - he sent 2 troops of 15/19 hussars to help clear towards Helmond where civilians had warned about German tanks.
The US Sergeant Jack Maclean of 2nd Battalion bazooka section - riding just behind the lead elements - reported a scout seeing 'more of their tanks than we had people' in a field.
They had set up a well concealed semi circle defense on the fringe of the town - the paras and tanks were allowed to penetrate deep into the throat of the ambush before they opened up. Buck Compton was injured here by a burst of MG fire, and the story of him being carried out - against his wishes - on a door is apparently true. Point is, they were warned, they were under US para command.
So here is the beef............After the unnecessary comment about Monty in SPR, why does Hollywood have to make the British and Commonwealth forces out to be such idiots in almost every recent warfilm? Are they insecure? Do they think the US rises with such comments as they seek to make others fall?
Can't they find enough US idiots to make fun of - we can find plenty of our own idiots and do so (watch Sharpe - could you see that being made in the USA?)
There are many more examples......perhaps we could start a Hollywood gets it wrong yet again thread..................never let the truth get in the way of a headline grabbing story......
Hollywood is not the only one but it is perhaps the worst offender......Like the enigma code machine - it caused quite a row in the UK as HMS Bulldog might never have existed - BTW they already cracked the code due to Polish experts - whover heard them praised???????
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_machine
Fiction
The play, Breaking the Code, by Hugh Whitemore is about the life and death of Alan Turing, who was the central force in breaking the Enigma in Britain during World War II. Turing was played by Derek Jacobi, who also played Turing in a 1996 television adaptation of the play. The television adaptation is generally available (though currently only on VHS). Although it is a drama and thus takes artistic license, it is nonetheless a fundamentally accurate account. It contains a two-minute, stutteringly-nervous speech by Jacobi that comes very close to encapsulating the entire Enigma codebreaking effort.
Robert Harris' 1996 novel Enigma is set against the backdrop of World War II Bletchley Park and cryptologists working to read Enigma. The book was made into the 2001 film, Enigma, directed by Michael Apted and starring Kate Winslet and Dougray Scott; the film has been criticized for many historical inaccuracies and neglecting the role of Biuro Szyfrów in breaking the Enigma code. An earlier Polish film dealing with the Polish aspects of the subject was the 1979 Sekret Enigmy (The Enigma Secret).[27]
Neal Stephenson's novel Cryptonomicon also features World War II military cryptography, including the Enigma and Bletchley Park. It takes considerable historical liberties.
The 1989 Doctor Who story The Curse of Fenric features British cryptographers, including a character based on Alan Turing, using a similar device called ULTIMA.
An interactive fiction game Jigsaw by Graham Nelson contains a puzzle in which the player must decrypt a message with a simplified version of the Enigma. The puzzle is generally accepted as the most annoying in the game, which is perhaps some measure of how hard it was to decrypt messages produced by the original machine(s).
Jonathan Mostow's 2000 film U-571 describes a fictional patrol by American submariners who have hijacked a German submarine to obtain an Enigma machine. The machine used in the film was an authentic Enigma obtained from a collector. The historical liberties taken are large, for the Polish breaks into Enigma (beginning in December 1932) did not require a captured machine, the Royal Navy captured several Enigmas or parts before the U.S. entered the war, and the U.S. capture of a U-boat occurred only days before D-Day in 1944. The film caused considerable protests when it was released in Britain, since it effectively transferred the exploits of the real life HMS Bulldog to a fictional American boat.
Friedrich Kittler's 1986 (trans. 1999) Gramophone, Film, Typewriter examines the use of the Enigma and similar devices in relation to the Symbolic order of Jacques Lacan.
Wolfgang Petersen's 1981 film Das Boot includes an Enigma machine which is evidently a four-rotor Kriegsmarine variant. It appears in many scenes which probably capture well the flavour of day-to-day Enigma use aboard a World War II U-Boat.
The Beast, the online puzzle-solving alternate reality game (ARG) created by a team at Microsoft to promote the Steven Spielberg film A.I.: Artificial Intelligence, required players to use an online Enigma simulator to solve one of the puzzles.
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And before anyone starts I am not anti-American, I do appreciate the sacrifices made and great generousity shown by the American people, not just in WW2 but since......
.................................................................................
So to end at least 'on message' - my hope and hopefully prediction for 2008 is that we get more British and Commonwealth troops - especially I hope for the gallant Poles who fought arguably the longest and the hardest battles of anyone in the whole of WW2.
After a couple of glasses of local hop tea, I feel moved to write about a famous scene from Band of Brothers I discovered in my Market Garden research for the dio thread. You remember the one where the **** fool British tanker ignored the Tiger behind the house..........and poor ol' Buck took one in the seating cushions.......
Well - never being one for controversy........
The whole op was under the control of Col Sink - the 506th commander - he sent 2 troops of 15/19 hussars to help clear towards Helmond where civilians had warned about German tanks.
The US Sergeant Jack Maclean of 2nd Battalion bazooka section - riding just behind the lead elements - reported a scout seeing 'more of their tanks than we had people' in a field.
They had set up a well concealed semi circle defense on the fringe of the town - the paras and tanks were allowed to penetrate deep into the throat of the ambush before they opened up. Buck Compton was injured here by a burst of MG fire, and the story of him being carried out - against his wishes - on a door is apparently true. Point is, they were warned, they were under US para command.
So here is the beef............After the unnecessary comment about Monty in SPR, why does Hollywood have to make the British and Commonwealth forces out to be such idiots in almost every recent warfilm? Are they insecure? Do they think the US rises with such comments as they seek to make others fall?
Can't they find enough US idiots to make fun of - we can find plenty of our own idiots and do so (watch Sharpe - could you see that being made in the USA?)
There are many more examples......perhaps we could start a Hollywood gets it wrong yet again thread..................never let the truth get in the way of a headline grabbing story......
Hollywood is not the only one but it is perhaps the worst offender......Like the enigma code machine - it caused quite a row in the UK as HMS Bulldog might never have existed - BTW they already cracked the code due to Polish experts - whover heard them praised???????
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_machine
Fiction
The play, Breaking the Code, by Hugh Whitemore is about the life and death of Alan Turing, who was the central force in breaking the Enigma in Britain during World War II. Turing was played by Derek Jacobi, who also played Turing in a 1996 television adaptation of the play. The television adaptation is generally available (though currently only on VHS). Although it is a drama and thus takes artistic license, it is nonetheless a fundamentally accurate account. It contains a two-minute, stutteringly-nervous speech by Jacobi that comes very close to encapsulating the entire Enigma codebreaking effort.
Robert Harris' 1996 novel Enigma is set against the backdrop of World War II Bletchley Park and cryptologists working to read Enigma. The book was made into the 2001 film, Enigma, directed by Michael Apted and starring Kate Winslet and Dougray Scott; the film has been criticized for many historical inaccuracies and neglecting the role of Biuro Szyfrów in breaking the Enigma code. An earlier Polish film dealing with the Polish aspects of the subject was the 1979 Sekret Enigmy (The Enigma Secret).[27]
Neal Stephenson's novel Cryptonomicon also features World War II military cryptography, including the Enigma and Bletchley Park. It takes considerable historical liberties.
The 1989 Doctor Who story The Curse of Fenric features British cryptographers, including a character based on Alan Turing, using a similar device called ULTIMA.
An interactive fiction game Jigsaw by Graham Nelson contains a puzzle in which the player must decrypt a message with a simplified version of the Enigma. The puzzle is generally accepted as the most annoying in the game, which is perhaps some measure of how hard it was to decrypt messages produced by the original machine(s).
Jonathan Mostow's 2000 film U-571 describes a fictional patrol by American submariners who have hijacked a German submarine to obtain an Enigma machine. The machine used in the film was an authentic Enigma obtained from a collector. The historical liberties taken are large, for the Polish breaks into Enigma (beginning in December 1932) did not require a captured machine, the Royal Navy captured several Enigmas or parts before the U.S. entered the war, and the U.S. capture of a U-boat occurred only days before D-Day in 1944. The film caused considerable protests when it was released in Britain, since it effectively transferred the exploits of the real life HMS Bulldog to a fictional American boat.
Friedrich Kittler's 1986 (trans. 1999) Gramophone, Film, Typewriter examines the use of the Enigma and similar devices in relation to the Symbolic order of Jacques Lacan.
Wolfgang Petersen's 1981 film Das Boot includes an Enigma machine which is evidently a four-rotor Kriegsmarine variant. It appears in many scenes which probably capture well the flavour of day-to-day Enigma use aboard a World War II U-Boat.
The Beast, the online puzzle-solving alternate reality game (ARG) created by a team at Microsoft to promote the Steven Spielberg film A.I.: Artificial Intelligence, required players to use an online Enigma simulator to solve one of the puzzles.
...............................................................................
And before anyone starts I am not anti-American, I do appreciate the sacrifices made and great generousity shown by the American people, not just in WW2 but since......
.................................................................................
So to end at least 'on message' - my hope and hopefully prediction for 2008 is that we get more British and Commonwealth troops - especially I hope for the gallant Poles who fought arguably the longest and the hardest battles of anyone in the whole of WW2.
damian
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Now Kevin
We Brits and people of British descent have always prided ourselves on the great traditions of the British army. We have always especially been proud of our great insights into strategy and tactics as practiced over 300 years. Islanwana, Majuba, Colenso, Spion Kop, The retreat from Kabul, The Charge of the Light Brigade, Singapore, The Battle of the Somme. There is nothing more stiring to those of British heriatge than a good old fashioned stuff up that we can subsequently immortalize. Lt Snook the OC of the Royal Regiment of Wales is about to release a book on British military disasters. When he announced this on the Zulu War forum one wag immdeiatley responded " Is this a multi volume history" Our American cousins are simply trying to continue this fine tradition.
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Damian Clarke
We Brits and people of British descent have always prided ourselves on the great traditions of the British army. We have always especially been proud of our great insights into strategy and tactics as practiced over 300 years. Islanwana, Majuba, Colenso, Spion Kop, The retreat from Kabul, The Charge of the Light Brigade, Singapore, The Battle of the Somme. There is nothing more stiring to those of British heriatge than a good old fashioned stuff up that we can subsequently immortalize. Lt Snook the OC of the Royal Regiment of Wales is about to release a book on British military disasters. When he announced this on the Zulu War forum one wag immdeiatley responded " Is this a multi volume history" Our American cousins are simply trying to continue this fine tradition.
Regards
Damian Clarke
