2012 Tiger I Tanks -- Concern with Overlapped/Interleaved Road Wheels (1 Viewer)

[wwiibuff]

Very Possible yes, but there were lots of mid-production Tigers there too with rubber rimmed road wheels and binocular gun sights. No verification has been possible on the actual configuration of 007 other than the zimmerit. But to be clear the CS Wittmann 007 Tiger is correct for one of the possible configurations of the actual tank

Terry

I would say more than just possible though. In Tiger I on the Western Front by Jean Restayn it says on page 92 "Tigers 007 and 008 were equipped with steel-rimmed wheels whereas 009 still has the rubber-lined wheels." I don't know how this conclusion was come to, but 007 has for the most part by my estimation always been referred to as having late version steel-rimmed road wheels. All the models I've ever seen depicting it are as such. But, no actual photo proof I guess.

 

[wwiibuff]

Leaving the correct Wittmann 007 Tiger and focusing on the original question, the Wittmann Kursk and Winter Tigers are not the same as 007 and do not look like any configuration of wheels I have seen and are probably wrong.

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Terry

OOOPS. I thought this thread was about the Wittman 007 Tiger and likewise Winter 232. I don't have the newer Kursk and new Winter Tigers. Sorry if I created any confusion Southern Man.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

I would say more than just possible though. In Tiger I on the Western Front by Jean Restayn it says on page 92 "Tigers 007 and 008 were equipped with steel-rimmed wheels whereas 009 still has the rubber-lined wheels." I don't know how this conclusion was come to, but 007 has for the most part by my estimation always been referred to as having late version steel-rimmed road wheels. All the models I've ever seen depicting it are as such. But, no actual photo proof I guess.

I didn't know about the Restayn comment. Do you have the book? Does he say where he got the info from?

If I was doing a model of 007 it would have zimmerit, steel wheels and a mono gunsight

Terry

 

[Phantom Warrior]

OOOPS. I thought this thread was about the Wittman 007 Tiger and likewise Winter 232. I don't have the newer Kursk and new Winter Tigers. Sorry if I created any confusion Southern Man.

It was Ozdiggers fault throwing in the mention of 007 early in the thread - and my fault because that was what my first post responded to. :redface2:

Terry

 

[wwiibuff]

I didn't know about the Restayn comment. Do you have the book? Does he say where he got the info from?

If I was doing a model of 007 it would have zimmerit, steel wheels and a mono gunsight

Terry

Yes I have the book, but this comment is just part of a caption referring to a color drawing "Author's Illustration" of 007 depicting it with steel-rimmed road wheels.

 

[OzDigger]

I would say more than just possible though. In Tiger I on the Western Front by Jean Restayn it says on page 92 "Tigers 007 and 008 were equipped with steel-rimmed wheels whereas 009 still has the rubber-lined wheels." I don't know how this conclusion was come to, but 007 has for the most part by my estimation always been referred to as having late version steel-rimmed road wheels. All the models I've ever seen depicting it are as such. But, no actual photo proof I guess.

Some people will always argue but I'm convinced 007 had steel wheels based on the info available. As for the earlier TCS Wittman Tigers, maybe not accurate regarding wheel formation, but still great value for money imo.

 

[Mitch]

Terry...

Not been a part of the earlier discussions on the Wittmann 007 but, when one looks at the pics available and from the testimony from troops there is some clarity. When I looked at the pics you can see there is a hybrid AFV not fully one thing or another.

From my limited knowledge of Tigers and the pics of the wreck I saw a small idler wheel at the rear right hand side what looks to be an armoured engine cover to indicate its a late version but, then a early production muzzle break. The Turret clearly has had Zimm on at some stage.

Its is more likely that at this point factories were adding this and that mixes to Tigers and that can be seen from many pics of AFV's from eastern and western fronts in many of the published pictures. so, its easy to say this was the case here. I think Restayn (or similar) actually published pictures of the AFV before Wittmann actually used it prior to his death.

Mind, not sure which Tiger we are discussing here now
Mitch

Wittmann's last tank 007 has been widely debated and researched. There are only two known photos of the destroyed tank - one photo from the rear and one photo of the upside down turret. The only conclusive evidence about the tank is that it had zimmerit as seen in the photos. The wheels are not visible so it is not possible to tell if they are the earlier rubber rimmed wheels or the later steel rimmed wheels. The gunsight on the turret is not visible so we can't tell if it is the binocular gunsight of a mid-production Tiger or the monocular gunsight of a late production Tiger. There are several old threads on this forum where this topic was studied.

Terry

 

[Mitch]

Terry...

I see we have moved on and, I back tracked and looked at what we are talking about. We have discussed and I mentioned in my first post that there were several things wrong with the CS releases. I am not sure we have time to address them all!!

They are in the right price bracket for many so, I see a lot of latitude given to CS when it comes to errors. Even those who say they are not interested in accuracy and correct detail. I have made my points from scale and accuracy before in relation to these tigers
Mitch

Not correct. Things are getting mixed up. Wittmann 007 is correct. Wittmann Kursk, Wittmann Winter and the AK version are historically impossible. If you are going to stay online for a few minutes, I'll explain - otherwise tomorrow

Terry

 

[wwiibuff]

Some people will always argue but I'm convinced 007 had steel wheels based on the info available. As for the earlier TCS Wittman Tigers, maybe not accurate regarding wheel formation, but still great value for money imo.

I agree on both counts... that the real 007 with the info available seems to have had steel wheels and that TCS is good value. With opening and closed hatch options, thrown damaged track, etc. on the 007 Tiger, it's a great model.

 

[Southern Man]

Thnks to everyone who took the time to add comments and post pictures. I agree that the Collector's ShowcaseTiger I models (mid to late production Tiger Tanks) with the steel road wheels have a proper wheel overlap. It's just the newer TCS models (models of early production Tigers with rubber road wheels and dual headlights) that I'm questioning and look awkward to me. I'm thinking there might be some ways to make a reasonable display --maybe burying the Winter model in deep snow or putting bushes around the Kursk model. But it's the Tiger I's suspension that really captures my imagination, so I'm not sure how I'm going to proceed. No one would ever notice the wheels (but I'd know).

Thanks again,
David (Southern Man)