48 shootings in NYC this weekend! (1 Viewer)

[Combat]

Yikes! It's more dangerous there than in Iraq. Hard to believe. I wonder what the total was nationwide?

 

[lancer]

Yikes! It's more dangerous there than in Iraq. Hard to believe. I wonder what the total was nationwide?

Bad weekend all around from the sounds of it. Had 5 National Guardsmen shot, too. -- Al

 

[Scott]

Three dead, six wounded in shooting at Carson City,Nevada, IHOP


http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/06/reports-7-shot-at-carson-city-ihop/


Jeeeeeze!

 

[Gideon]

people are angry and just taking it out on whomever they can reach.

the last bad "recession" we had back in the early 1990's when I was high school, kids were shooting each other for their Jordan sneakers and jansport back packs. as things got better and more jobs and opportunities opened up, these kinds of things dropped off tremendously but they are creeping back.

among the many things you don't want is too many people sitting with nothing to do getting angrier and angrier and eventually looking for an outlet for that energy. some will not just do situps and pushups.

i kind of see all of these things as a symptom of collective angst which can erupt any place and any time. it's happening all over the world right now.

 

[Combat]

What strikes me as odd is how little publicity this gets. If 48 people were shot in Iraq it would be endless news.

 

[Rob]

48 in one weekend! Wow that is bad, are many of them gang related or just one offs? And I thought the deaths in our riots the other week were bad.

Rob

 

[Scott]

48 in one weekend! Wow that is bad, are many of them gang related or just one offs? And I thought the deaths in our riots the other week were bad.

Rob

Trying to find the quote but there is some mention that NYC has cut back on hiring police to fill the spots of the usual retirees etc.




"If 48 people were shot in Iraq it would be endless news." It's the slow dribble that doesn't make news.

 

[Gideon]

When I was a kid, I knew six kids who got shot. Two died.

I used to say this all the time as Guilliani took credit for decreasing the crime rate in NYC:

"There's a generational size difference from when violence in NYC was at it's peak compared to what the amount of kids who are in the age range from 16 to 24 now. There was an increase in kids of the upcoming generation and, when the enter that age bracket, you'll start seeing a spike. Also, jobs and housing are at an ok point right now so there's less stress on the equality issue than there's been for like 20 years."

I said this 8 years ago and now look. These were things we were discussing in criminology class in 1995. There is a science of thought behind this with a lot written on the subject.

But, still in a larger context, there is angst all over the world and I believe we are all connected in some way where we feel the stress and frustration of others build and we begin to feel it to. Kind of like a toned down version of mob rule. It's like an undercurrent.

 

[evilchuck]

it was actually 67 people shot in NYC over the weekend,including 2 police officers. One of the main reasons for the weekend violence is a joyous little get together called the west Indian day parade,and the pre and post parties ,same every year,just a little more than usual this year.

 

[wayne556517]

Sounds like a great place to live {eek3}{eek3}{eek3}
We don't get that many a year,maybe our gun laws are a good idea.^&grin^&grin

 

[jazzeum]

Despite all the sensationalist headlines and unfortunate occurrences, compared to ten years ago, the crime rate is down. New York is one of the greatest places to live, rivaled only by the great cities of the world such as London and Paris. It grabs headlines for a reason because it is one of the great cities of the world, where, as the lyrics for New York, New York go, it's the city that never sleeps. However, if your thing is watching the grass grow, then head out yonder.

 

[Scott]

Despite all the sensationalist headlines and unfortunate occurrences, compared to ten years ago, the crime rate is down. New York is one of the greatest places to live, rivaled only by the great cities of the world such as London and Paris. It grabs headlines for a reason because it is one of the great cities of the world, where, as the lyrics for New York, New York go, it's the city that never sleeps. However, if your thing is watching the grass grow, then head out yonder.

Yeah it's the spikes you hear about rather than the constant trickle. Recent shootings in Nevada and West Virginia for example show you can mind your own business in rural areas and get in the way of the crazy.

 

[Combat]

Despite all the sensationalist headlines and unfortunate occurrences, compared to ten years ago, the crime rate is down. New York is one of the greatest places to live, rivaled only by the great cities of the world such as London and Paris. It grabs headlines for a reason because it is one of the great cities of the world, where, as the lyrics for New York, New York go, it's the city that never sleeps. However, if your thing is watching the grass grow, then head out yonder.

I don't think reporting on 60+ shootings in a single weekend is sensationalist or akin to watching the grass grow. That's more like the wild west. Maybe NYC never sleeps because the gunfire keeps waking people up. And really the opposite situation has occurred with the media. Almost no publicity. Likely because it involves some poorer communities.

 

[Rob]

Despite all the sensationalist headlines and unfortunate occurrences, compared to ten years ago, the crime rate is down. New York is one of the greatest places to live, rivaled only by the great cities of the world such as London and Paris. It grabs headlines for a reason because it is one of the great cities of the world, where, as the lyrics for New York, New York go, it's the city that never sleeps. However, if your thing is watching the grass grow, then head out yonder.

I agree Brad, all these cities have problems with violence of one sort or another, London and Paris (both have had riots)included, doesn't mean New York or these two are not great places to live.

Rob

 

[lancer]

it was actually 67 people shot in NYC over the weekend,including 2 police officers. One of the main reasons for the weekend violence is a joyous little get together called the west Indian day parade,and the pre and post parties ,same every year,just a little more than usual this year.

This "event" seems to make the news every time it is held, and not in a good way. Perhaps the powers that be should stop worrying about being PC and just cancel the event, permanently. At the very least this would cut down on the flying lead. -- Al

 

[evilchuck]

WOW,Lancer,from your mouth to the mayors ears,but unfortunately never happen,they only scale back the more peaceful events like st pattys parade,and bow to the pc crowd,and from what we see on the news it gets people killed,and by the way the parade is by far the most dreaded event to work at as a NYC police officer,cops take vacation picks around this event to miss it.

 

[thebritfarmer]

People should be allowed to celebrate their race, religion, sexuality etc.. peacefully and not have to worry about be killed while doing so. Perhaps the guns laws need to be addressed ?

 

[Gideon]

People should be allowed to celebrate their race, religion, sexuality etc.. peacefully and not have to worry about be killed while doing so. Perhaps the guns laws need to be addressed ?

Gun laws won't stop people from getting guns. there's always going to a black market for these things and people always willing to buy - like anything else.

I used to go to the Caribbean day parade when I was living in that area every year. Great food, great people, wow - beautiful women, I never saw violence there. Never a gunshot, maybe a little argument or something.

Something in my gut tells me that this was a day off where people would be in certain places and a lot of business issues, personal grievances and other stupid crap got settled that day - of course with innocent people and police caught in the cross fire, as usual. I hate to sound so callous about this, but I grew up there and, for a long time, was accustomed to this happening much more frequently than it does now.

I had a teacher who once said that if you tally up the people murdered in our country every year that it's similar to the body count of a smaller scale war - civil or otherwise.

 

[Scott]

I don't think reporting on 60+ shootings in a single weekend is sensationalist or akin to watching the grass grow. That's more like the wild west. Maybe NYC never sleeps because the gunfire keeps waking people up. And really the opposite situation has occurred with the media. Almost no publicity. Likely because it involves some poorer communities.

Stupid poor people. Don't they have boot straps?

 

[Scott]

Gun laws won't stop people from getting guns. there's always going to a black market for these things and people always willing to buy - like anything else.

I used to go to the Caribbean day parade when I was living in that area every year. Great food, great people, wow - beautiful women, I never saw violence there. Never a gunshot, maybe a little argument or something.

Something in my gut tells me that this was a day off where people would be in certain places and a lot of business issues, personal grievances and other stupid crap got settled that day - of course with innocent people and police caught in the cross fire, as usual. I hate to sound so callous about this, but I grew up there and, for a long time, was accustomed to this happening much more frequently than it does now.

I had a teacher who once said that if you tally up the people murdered in our country every year that it's similar to the body count of a smaller scale war - civil or otherwise.

I went back to that CNN site for this story and read the comments. {eek3}{eek3}{eek3} Ideas for "solutions" appear "final."