A Kick in the Guts to all ANZAC's. (1 Viewer)

Erdogan....another Middle East dictator using religion to bolster his power and suppress freedom.
 
Erdogan comes to the US,gets the great man of history treatment from Trump,sends his goons out into the streets of our capitol to attack peaceful protesters and nothing is done about it,now this,and yet if they are attacked tomorrow by Russia,isis or whoever they can demand help from US,Australian and NZ troops,and as a NATO member they would get it.Turkey has no place in NATO until Erdogan and the Islamist mentality is gone,and the EU shouldn't be considering letting them in at all.
 
Thanks for the comments. I hesitated a wee bit before posting the link simply because damaging a memorial can be a highly sensitive and emotional topic, however to me a line has been crossed and these things shouldn't be ignored.
 
It is disappointing but I am not angry as I would have been a decade ago. The last ten years has taught me that if that monument was in a park in Brisbane and the Turkish government complained or pressure groups in Brisbane were 'offended' the Queensland and/or Australian government would cave and remove it themselves. I have no expectation that a foreign government will respect our culture or history when we are so embarrassed about protecting it ourselves. We fear any statement that hints at patriotism or pride in national achievement on the grounds that we marginalise or offend other groups. We cannot celebrate Australia Day because that would be racist. We cannot celebrate Anzac Day because that glorifies war. We cannot ask for greater scrutiny of immigration laws because then we are racist. We cannot criticise barbaric practices because that is culturally insensitive. We fear any government decision that might have our human rights record scrutinised by other nations, some with records that would turn a serial killer's stomach. If we want our history protected and commemorated appropriately we have to do it ourselves. If we want our achievements celebrated, we have to do it ourselves. If we believe that democracy is the best form of government we need to say so without fear of offending. If we ourselves are offended, we need to claim the right to say so, which is merely the same right we have handed to every minority group in Australia. Let Turkey do as she wishes as long as she does it within her own borders. But let's claim that right for ourselves as well.
 
To anybody who don't like cultures the can go F**K themselves.I'm sick of cowards.
Mark
 
This is disgusting Toddy but then it today's day and age of religious violence and Governments pandering to religious extremism nothing really surprises me.

Tom
 
To anybody who don't like cultures the can go F**K themselves.I'm sick of cowards.
Mark


It is not about cultures folks it is just about Turkey, the country has no history just a criminal record:

Armenian Genocide
Pontian Genocide
Cyprus 1974
America 2017

I would leave it at that. This is not after all a forum about politics.
 
It is disappointing but I am not angry as I would have been a decade ago. The last ten years has taught me that if that monument was in a park in Brisbane and the Turkish government complained or pressure groups in Brisbane were 'offended' the Queensland and/or Australian government would cave and remove it themselves. I have no expectation that a foreign government will respect our culture or history when we are so embarrassed about protecting it ourselves. We fear any statement that hints at patriotism or pride in national achievement on the grounds that we marginalise or offend other groups. We cannot celebrate Australia Day because that would be racist. We cannot celebrate Anzac Day because that glorifies war. We cannot ask for greater scrutiny of immigration laws because then we are racist. We cannot criticise barbaric practices because that is culturally insensitive. We fear any government decision that might have our human rights record scrutinised by other nations, some with records that would turn a serial killer's stomach. If we want our history protected and commemorated appropriately we have to do it ourselves. If we want our achievements celebrated, we have to do it ourselves. If we believe that democracy is the best form of government we need to say so without fear of offending. If we ourselves are offended, we need to claim the right to say so, which is merely the same right we have handed to every minority group in Australia. Let Turkey do as she wishes as long as she does it within her own borders. But let's claim that right for ourselves as well.

Perfectly said Marty! {bravo}}

Tom
 
To anybody who don't like cultures the can go F**K themselves.I'm sick of cowards.
Mark

I meant to delete this.Not that I don't mean it but I don't want to be the cause of the thread being closed.Sorry.
Mark
 
Sadly I can't say I'm very surprised about the "destruction" considering the increasing fanaticism in the world. Hopefully the renovations will be acceptable to all stakeholders.

My Grandfather had a lot of respect for the Turkish soldiers he fought on Gallipoli, but had little respect for Governments...of all sides. I wonder what he'd think of the "renovations".

Archie Green.jpg
 
It is disappointing but I am not angry as I would have been a decade ago. The last ten years has taught me that if that monument was in a park in Brisbane and the Turkish government complained or pressure groups in Brisbane were 'offended' the Queensland and/or Australian government would cave and remove it themselves. I have no expectation that a foreign government will respect our culture or history when we are so embarrassed about protecting it ourselves. We fear any statement that hints at patriotism or pride in national achievement on the grounds that we marginalise or offend other groups. We cannot celebrate Australia Day because that would be racist. We cannot celebrate Anzac Day because that glorifies war. We cannot ask for greater scrutiny of immigration laws because then we are racist. We cannot criticise barbaric practices because that is culturally insensitive. We fear any government decision that might have our human rights record scrutinised by other nations, some with records that would turn a serial killer's stomach. If we want our history protected and commemorated appropriately we have to do it ourselves. If we want our achievements celebrated, we have to do it ourselves. If we believe that democracy is the best form of government we need to say so without fear of offending. If we ourselves are offended, we need to claim the right to say so, which is merely the same right we have handed to every minority group in Australia. Let Turkey do as she wishes as long as she does it within her own borders. But let's claim that right for ourselves as well.

Well said Mary and I couldn't agree more.

I would have thought that honouring the dead, even in these troubled times was universal regardless of your belief's but sadly some still appear to be living in the dark ages.
 
Well said Mary and I couldn't agree more.

I would have thought that honouring the dead, even in these troubled times was universal regardless of your belief's but sadly some still appear to be living in the dark ages.

Agreed. But the real momuments are those we hold in our minds and hearts, stone and marble is one thing and over time will perish but what we remember and honour in our hearts is eternal.
 
Agreed. But the real momuments are those we hold in our minds and hearts, stone and marble is one thing and over time will perish but what we remember and honour in our hearts is eternal.



Wayne

Interesting language use for an avowed atheist! Religion is a hard habit to kick ... shall I give the Pope the good news?

Jack
 
Wayne

Interesting language use for an avowed atheist! Religion is a hard habit to kick ... shall I give the Pope the good news?

Jack

.....you could be onto something here Marty, as Andy likes to remind us 'never say never' {eek3}:wink2:
 
Wayne

Interesting language use for an avowed atheist! Religion is a hard habit to kick ... shall I give the Pope the good news?

Jack

How you equate me somehow finding some God in what I posted you will have to explain to me one day. Hard to kick a habit you never had.
 
You can not help but be moved by the words Ataturk wrote about the ANZAC dead.

On ANZAC day 1985 the Australians dedicated the Kemal Ataturk memorial in ANZAC parade Canberra. It is located at the top end nearest to the War Memorial. The memorial has a bronze bust of Attaturk (a gift from the Turkish Government), is in the shape of a crescent, has his words displayed and is in memory of the ANZAC and Turkish fallen. Not many countries would have put up such a memorial and it is a tribute to Ataturks words.

I don't think Ataturk would be too impressed by the current Turkish leader. I know I am not.

It is very unfortunate that Australian War graves are located in Turkey and that Gallipoli, a site of such significance to Australia and NZ, is now in a country that I find hard to consider one of the allies anymore.

However I would like to emphasise that my thoughts relate more to the current leader rather than the Turkish people.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top