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Anyone else, collecting this range besides me?

I wonder when the ill-fated, mounted French nobility will be making their appearance... ^&confuse

Should be a spectacle, for sure! {sm4}

I have one request for Matt... A French nobleman on a collapsing horse hit by English longbows and wooden stakes to protect the English longbowmen from the French onslaught!

Ok, two requests... ^&grin:salute::
 
I collect this serries ......have 7 of them and still going strong ......but I only have the English side ....have no more room for both !!!!!!!!!!!!!^&grin
 
I have three (Henry V, 1 French, and 1 English soldier) and plan to get more. Unfortunately, I collect too many ranges or would have more already. French mounted knights would be a must. They are great looking figures and among my son's favorites of all my toy soldiers.
 
I believe a few will be coming my way soon, once some funds make themselves available that is. They look magnificent!
Josh

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Would anyone have some pics to share of their figures?
 
I have all of them. I will take a photo when i get home tonight. I think they are spectacular. Incredibly well done and accurate. I would love some wounded and dead. All of them at this point look like the battle just started, but for a few arrows in legs (love these arrow laden figures)!
 
Rod & George got me into Agincourt at the MFCA 2014. This is the first range I believe I got into without at least some superficial research. Upon getting home and starting to read up on the three figures I bought and assembling a list for the next, I noticed that many of the knights selected by FL for production were not fighting together, but were at different places on the battlefield during the battle. As a "purist" I am now looking for the combination of knights that actually were fighting in the same flank/"unit".

As an example, I pick out the Duke of York who apparently led the right flank of the English army, while the King was in the center and Lord Camoys on the left. I find it further interesting that according to some sources, the Duke of York was so fat that he probably died of a heart attack on the battlefield and that he was boiled later so that his bones could be brought to England. That would be a great vignette! I hope my sources are not exclusively French!

Has anyone else done homework on where to place the FL knights on the battlefield? I am having particular problems with the right location for the French knights who seem not to have cared where they were fighting as long as it was in the first row.
 
Andanna said:
Rod & George got me into Agincourt at the MFCA 2014. This is the first range I believe I got into without at least some superficial research. Upon getting home and starting to read up on the three figures I bought and assembling a list for the next, I noticed that many of the knights selected by FL for production were not fighting together, but were at different places on the battlefield during the battle. As a "purist" I am now looking for the combination of knights that actually were fighting in the same flank/"unit".

As an example, I pick out the Duke of York who apparently led the right flank of the English army, while the King was in the center and Lord Camoys on the left. I find it further interesting that according to some sources, the Duke of York was so fat that he probably died of a heart attack on the battlefield and that he was boiled later so that his bones could be brought to England. That would be a great vignette! I hope my sources are not exclusively French!

Has anyone else done homework on where to place the FL knights on the battlefield? I am having particular problems with the right location for the French knights who seem not to have cared where they were fighting as long as it was in the first row.
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I would imagine that a lot of the French knights fought your common English man-of-arms since they were likely on the front lines at least in the initial phase of the battle. The ground was muddy and therefore, accounts of the battle may have been murky at best. Most accounts place Henry somewhere in the center of the melee. English longbowmen were located on both flanks of the English men-of-arms.
 
Andanna said:
Rod & George got me into Agincourt at the MFCA 2014. This is the first range I believe I got into without at least some superficial research. Upon getting home and starting to read up on the three figures I bought and assembling a list for the next, I noticed that many of the knights selected by FL for production were not fighting together, but were at different places on the battlefield during the battle. As a "purist" I am now looking for the combination of knights that actually were fighting in the same flank/"unit".

Has anyone else done homework on where to place the FL knights on the battlefield? I am having particular problems with the right location for the French knights who seem not to have cared where they were fighting as long as it was in the first row.
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A good start might be to look for a couple of Osprey publications - which can usually be found on Amazon Books - or other book web-sites.

First is "The Armies of Agincourt" (No.113) by Christopher Rothero (1981) ISBN 0850453941 - which gives a good, short overview of the battle - and has some useful detail on weapons etc, - and for some lovely colour illustrations - Which are good for me, as I prefer to make up and paint my own versions of figures.

Another useful one is from Osprey's Men at Arms series (No.50) "Medieval European Armies", by Terence Wise, & Illustrated by Gerry Embleton (1975) ISBN-10:085045-2457, which is again well illustrated. This one also refers to - and has a plan for, the earlier Battle of Crecy.

Both will supply leads for further reading - but are a good short introduction into the subject - and can usually be found at reasonable prices in used or new conditions, and are sure to help.

Johnnybach
 
Thank you, JB et al. I worked my way through the various Osprey publications. They tend to be my first "go-to". It seems I need to dig deeper.
 
Andanna said:
Rod & George got me into Agincourt at the MFCA 2014.
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I'm innocent; Rod, your check with the zero's and crooked numbers on it is on the way to you.

Don't forget to tell Andreas how great the ACW is too...................^&grin
 
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At least I set them into a wheat field. I hope that counts against ACW.



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Andanna said:
Thank you, JB et al. I worked my way through the various Osprey publications. They tend to be my first "go-to". It seems I need to dig deeper.
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Most of "the experts" can't even agree on the numbers of people involved - never mind where they actually were in the ranks. But - if you read painstakingly through every piece of literature you can lay hands on - you do get some idea of who may have been where - for some of the more notables involved.

Most articles I have read through, seem to agree that the battle started rather late - some say because some French big-wigs (e.g The Duke of Brittany), were still on their way to the field - to take part. Seems like many of the more important people in the French heirarchy simply got fed up with waiting - and just took off towards the British - who had advanced towards them and had the temerity to started shooting arrows at them.

How on earth nearly 600 years later - you will ever find out who was EXACTLY where - is NOT going to be easy.

BUT - Best of luck trying to find out:D jb
 
Thank you, JB, I did dig a little deeper. :)

Jacques de Ventadour and Jean I, le Duc de Bourbon, duking it out with Edward of Langley, 2nd Duke of York.​

Jacques de Ventadour was born in 1390 and passed away in 1424 in Battle.

Jean de Bourbon (1381–1434) was captured at the Battle of Agincourt and died a prisoner in London, in spite of the payment of several ransoms, and promises to support the king of England as king of France.

Edward of Langley, 2nd Duke of York, KG (c.1373 – 25 October 1415), was the eldest son of Edmund of Langley, 1st Duke of York, by his first wife Isabella of Castile, and the grandson of Edward III. He held significant appointments during the reigns of three monarchs Richard II, Henry IV, and Henry V, and was slain at the Battle of Agincourt in 1415.

Personal note: Giorgio "The Dealer" G. and Marco "The Buff" C. convinced me to buy these three Agincourt figures during the MFCA this year - with the help of their "assistant" L.A. who eagerly took my money. Now that the (financial) pain is subsiding, it was time to put the figures into context. Thank you, Gentlemen, for helping me make the right decision!


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Andanna said:
Thank you, JB, I did dig a little deeper. :)

Jacques de Ventadour and Jean I, le Duc de Bourbon, duking it out with Edward of Langley, 2nd Duke of York.​

Jacques de Ventadour was born in 1390 and passed away in 1424 in Battle.

Jean de Bourbon (1381–1434) was captured at the Battle of Agincourt and died a prisoner in London, in spite of the payment of several ransoms, and promises to support the king of England as king of France.

Edward of Langley, 2nd Duke of York, KG (c.1373 – 25 October 1415), was the eldest son of Edmund of Langley, 1st Duke of York, by his first wife Isabella of Castile, and the grandson of Edward III. He held significant appointments during the reigns of three monarchs Richard II, Henry IV, and Henry V, and was slain at the Battle of Agincourt in 1415.

Personal note: Giorgio "The Dealer" G. and Marco "The Buff" C. convinced me to buy these three Agincourt figures during the MFCA this year - with the help of their "assistant" L.A. who eagerly took my money. Now that the (financial) pain is subsiding, it was time to put the figures into context. Thank you, Gentlemen, for helping me make the right decision!


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Well done - 3 down and just the rest to go now.:D Funnily enough, I have been reading up a bit myself today, with a view to making up another Knight for my own collection. He also died on the field of Agincourt on that fateful day. I've seen a reasonably priced casting that I like - which could become the basis of a paint job on him. I saw a picture of him on his fully caparisoned horse - and he looks just wonderful.

He was Antoine de Bourgogne (French, of course) and the Duc de Brabant. He apparently arrived late on the field of Agincourt - without most of his equipment - and hastily donned a makeshift tunic made from a flag, in order to take part. He was captured - and then slain when Henry V ordered the killing of prisoners, after the French attacked the baggage train. Because he was dressed so poorly - he wasn't thought worthy of sparing for ransom.

I'm going to try and make a version of him in better times - in his best livery - and similar to the picture that I've seen.

The picture is in Peter Greenhill's marvelous book Heraldic Miniature Knights (1991; p.145) - and is of a 54mm version, originally part of The Plantaganet range of knights by John Braithwaite, and in his Knights of Agincourt series. If you get a chance to see him - take a look. Just fabulous.

Well done again - it's fascinating stuff - eh?:D jb.
 
As good as FL figures look they look much better in pictures in a diorama setting.The stock photos don't do them justice.
Mark
 
Nicely displayed and researched , Only negative would be you need more figures :wink2: it looks like a fight after school with only one spectator .. just kiddin .. regards Gebhard
 
One of my favorite ranges. I know this isn't historically accurate, but I needed someone to play outside the castle! :) Archers had to fire from the ramparts as there jsut wasn't room on the field!

I finally got the whole range and love them all! I am just waiting for FL to make some Agincourt dead for us!


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