An Unsung Hero To A Degree.....Let Us Salute Him!!!! (1 Viewer)

[Bayern]

I can only imagine what it must of been like to drive these LCM's into the beach heads at Normandie. Not just the personal risk but having to watch the men unloading and dying by the droves. Then driving back to do it again....and again....Had to haunt them forever.....if they made it out alive. Why do we not take a moment to reflect on that in honor of DDAY and the freedom we have come to know because of this his kind of sacrifice.....and the benefit to posterity for these sculpts being made by KC so that the world will not forget...

Ludwig

 

[Larry Allen]

You made an interesting observation.

It is not only the "guys with the guns" that are the heroes. There were (are) thousands of service men and women that risk their lives but don't get the same recognition.

For example the medics and hospital corps that went right along with Infantry guys and took fire and were killed themselves. Or how about the Red Ball express and other supply truckers. Don't forget the Priests and other religious men, hitting the beaches in the same boats. The news reports were right in the front lines ... many more come to mind.

Thank you Bayren for the nice picture and the interesting thought!!!! --- Larry

 

[PanzerAce1944]

We remember them every year on the anniversary 6 June. Of course it is a great thing to keep them in our thoughts often ! Too bad the younger generation doesn't hardly even know what the term "6th of June 1944" even means unless schooled up on by their parents and grand parents that take the time to do so ^&cool

 

[Poppo]

You made an interesting observation.

It is not only the "guys with the guns" that are the heroes. There were (are) thousands of service men and women that risk their lives but don't get the same recognition.

For example the medics and hospital corps that went right along with Infantry guys and took fire and were killed themselves. Or how about the Red Ball express and other supply truckers. Don't forget the Priests and other religious men, hitting the beaches in the same boats. The news reports were right in the front lines ... many more come to mind.

Thank you Bayren for the nice picture and the interesting thought!!!! --- Larry

Right.....But don' t forget that on the other side defending the coasts were only poor german bunkers most of which unfinished and defended by mostly old soldiers who found in front of them the hugest army of all times.....Forgetting for a moment Hollywood films, after the first or secon wave,the germans were litteraly overwhelmed by the giant american forces...The " Panzer Lehr" division, one month later was burned on their position before even firing a bullet....I say this just because in american films we see the few americans in front of the huge german defences!!!.....And this is just an historic fake, or propaganda..

 

[Bayern]

Right.....But don' t forget that on the other side defending the coasts were only poor german bunkers most of which unfinished and defended by mostly old soldiers who found in front of them the hugest army of all times.....Forgetting for a moment Hollywood films, after the first or secon wave,the germans were litteraly overwhelmed by the giant american forces...The " Panzer Lehr" division, one month later was burned on their position before even firing a bullet....I say this just because in american films we see the few americans in front of the huge german defences!!!.....And this is just an historic fake, or propaganda..

Poppo, Very interesting point. You really interest me my friend. You are a breath of fresh air to these old ears. I will hope to meet you some day.

You have a point on the old men and children thing as well as there was no one listening to the commanders when the warnings and then sightings came. But...being under machine gun fire from a high position is always a problem not easily circumvented.

Keep speaking your mind my... I take it young friend. This world needs you. You live in France...vacation in Poland and on the Italian Coast with your family ....we are brothers already!!!

PM me I would like to email you.

Ludwig

 

[Bayern]

We remember them every year on the anniversary 6 June. Of course it is a great thing to keep them in our thoughts often ! Too bad the younger generation doesn't hardly even know what the term "6th of June 1944" even means unless schooled up on by their parents and grand parents that take the time to do so ^&cool

PA, we really do not want to go there.

I cannot talk to a young person here anymore that knows much of anything about all of this.

Maybe this is the single biggest reason for Toy Soldiers. The few young people like..JP at Kings X and so on that get into this will take the history forward to another generation.

Ludwig

 

[PanzerAce1944]

PA, we really do not want to go there.

I cannot talk to a young person here anymore that knows much of anything about all of this.

Maybe this is the single biggest reason for Toy Soldiers. The few young people like..JP at Kings X and so on that get into this will take the history forward to another generation.

Ludwig

Ludwig, of course JP is in his twenties and an exception. To me you take a 17 year old kid and ask them June 6th 1944, or Dec. 7th 1941 and most....not all will look at
you like a deer in the head lights {eek3}

 

[Bayern]

Ludwig, of course JP is in his twenties and an exception. To me you take a 17 year old kid and ask them June 6th 1944, or Dec. 7th 1941 and most....not all will look at
you like a deer in the head lights {eek3}

Absolutely. PA, I am in total agreement here. Let me tell you something. After so and I mean soooooooooooooooooooooo many years, I looked at some of the Grand kids homework from History class a ways back. My intention was to see what was cut out of the curriculum to make way for all the years of history after my time in school. I was blown away to find that they crammed everything in. It was overwhelming. I think this is part of the problem. The other is we do not have to many war generation people around anymore.

The deer in the headlight is right on PA. The WWII sacrifice needs be instilled into our youth. Let lessons learned not be forgotten.

Ludwig

 

[Hussar de la Guardia]

I can only imagine what it must of been like to drive these LCM's into the beach heads at Normandie. Not just the personal risk but having to watch the men unloading and dying by the droves. Then driving back to do it again....and again....Had to haunt them forever.....if they made it out alive. Why do we not take a moment to reflect on that in honor of DDAY and the freedom we have come to know because of this his kind of sacrifice.....and the benefit to posterity for these sculpts being made by KC so that the world will not forget...

Ludwig

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Just another great example of displaying K&C product with Military gear!!!

 

[Larry Allen]

Right.....But don' t forget that on the other side defending the coasts were only poor german bunkers most of which unfinished and defended by mostly old soldiers who found in front of them the hugest army of all times.....Forgetting for a moment Hollywood films, after the first or secon wave,the germans were litteraly overwhelmed by the giant american forces...The " Panzer Lehr" division, one month later was burned on their position before even firing a bullet....I say this just because in american films we see the few americans in front of the huge german defences!!!.....And this is just an historic fake, or propaganda..

Good Afternoon (or Evening for you);
Yep, I understand what you are saying. Politics aside, there were “unsung heroes” on both sides.

It is true that the “VICTORS” write the history and condition the future generations to hold their beliefs. I suppose that the LOSERS my even have more unsung heroes since, taking Normandy as a point of interest, the German forces were overwhelmed and they had to stand and fight.

Still, Hitler and the German people start the war (not discounting the Japanese and Italians contributions) but hundreds of thousands of Americans, British, French, Australian, Canadian, and other Allied forces had to stop them!

As far as "movies" go anyone who bases their history knowledge on movies is .... well, silly. There are multiple threads on THAT topic.

Larry

 

[Thompyt]

Ludwig, of course JP is in his twenties and an exception. To me you take a 17 year old kid and ask them June 6th 1944, or Dec. 7th 1941 and most....not all will look at
you like a deer in the head lights {eek3}

OMG!!!! What happened December 7th 1941??!?!?!















{sm4}

 

[PanzerAce1944]

OMG!!!! What happened December 7th 1941??!










{sm4}

You forgot your birthday ??? ...................{sm5}

 

[Napoleon1er]

I just wanted to say, "What a great thread!"
To Poppo- I have been enjoying reading your posts!
-Sandor

 

[Bayern]

I just wanted to say, "What a great thread!"
To Poppo- I have been enjoying reading your posts!
-Sandor

Sandor!! Thank you!! Post your dog on the chat room!! Please.

Ludwig. Will email.

 

[The Military Workshop]

Right.....But don' t forget that on the other side defending the coasts were only poor german bunkers most of which unfinished and defended by mostly old soldiers who found in front of them the hugest army of all times.....Forgetting for a moment Hollywood films, after the first or secon wave,the germans were litteraly overwhelmed by the giant american forces...The " Panzer Lehr" division, one month later was burned on their position before even firing a bullet....I say this just because in american films we see the few americans in front of the huge german defences!!!.....And this is just an historic fake, or propaganda..

Does not worry me at all that the bunkers were unfinished{sm4} I am sure the Allies preferred it that way.

 

[Mitch]

I think its a misnomer to believe that all the strong defences the germans had were propaganda and the beliefe that it was poorly defended is also wrong and, not propaganda. the obfuscation between the generals on the ground and Hitler about how best to stop an invasion caused havoc in the defences but, where Rommel et al had their way they were strong defences just not enough. also, not all the units facing the allied invasion were old men and boys thats another movie lie. some very good german units were in the front line or, just behind the beach fortifications.

I think D-Day has been taken over as Larry said by the couple of movies that many take as fact and base their entire historical output on. Silly, is not really a word that comes to mind when I hear people arguing the toss using facts from a movie!!!!

The germans simply, as they did on many occasions, got their tactics wrong. bad luck to some extent, and strong defences caused the US some serious issues but, lack of german troops at the beach including armour failed to stop the invasion. Its even more incredulous when you think they were forewarned in the italian landings how to contain an allied invasion!!!

Like Brett said tough if they were stupid enough not to defend the beaches in greater numbers and with heavier defences less allied troops died as a result and, at the end of the day, less allied dead and more german and axis dead is how the war or, any war is ultimately won.
Mitch

 

[Poppo]

I think its a misnomer to believe that all the strong defences the germans had were propaganda and the beliefe that it was poorly defended is also wrong and, not propaganda. the obfuscation between the generals on the ground and Hitler about how best to stop an invasion caused havoc in the defences but, where Rommel et al had their way they were strong defences just not enough. also, not all the units facing the allied invasion were old men and boys thats another movie lie. some very good german units were in the front line or, just behind the beach fortifications.

I think D-Day has been taken over as Larry said by the couple of movies that many take as fact and base their entire historical output on. Silly, is not really a word that comes to mind when I hear people arguing the toss using facts from a movie!!!!

The germans simply, as they did on many occasions, got their tactics wrong. bad luck to some extent, and strong defences caused the US some serious issues but, lack of german troops at the beach including armour failed to stop the invasion. Its even more incredulous when you think they were forewarned in the italian landings how to contain an allied invasion!!!

Like Brett said tough if they were stupid enough not to defend the beaches in greater numbers and with heavier defences less allied troops died as a result and, at the end of the day, less allied dead and more german and axis dead is how the war or, any war is ultimately won.
Mitch

Hello Mitch,

you touched a very important point.....Yes, the germans used a very wrong tactics in the battale of Normandy and in many other occasions and they had a pityful intelligence service ( abwher), compared to the wonderful british" intelligence service". Hitler pratically all the time took very wrong tactical decisions and they payed the bill very expensive: for example, as you wrote, he still thought that the main allied attack would have happened in the "Calais" region even one month after the landing!!!!! and This fool didn' t send the panzers at the required moment to stop the american troops. And yes, in normandy were strong grmans waffen ss units who fought wildly, but were send little by little( for the reasons said above).As a summary, I would say that the american-british command and the intelligence service were far superior to the germans, and that the germans troops were superior in the ability of fighting to the americans....

 

[Larry Allen]

I think D-Day has been taken over as Larry said by the couple of movies that many take as fact and base their entire historical output on. Silly, is not really a word that comes to mind when I hear people arguing the toss using facts from a movie!!!!

Mitch

When I used the word "silly", I was in a good mood and being, well, …. kind .... I really wanted to say – Ignorant.

With the exception of a very few movies they are all simply meant for entertainment, nothing more. There is as much historical fact in “The Longest Day” or the “Battle of the Bulge” as there is in, say “Star Wars” or (my personal favorite) “Attack of the Killer Tomatoes.”

But this topic has been hashed about a bit.

To get back on track a bit more, we tend to think of Heroes as the ones who, single handedly, take on a fortified position to save his pinned down buddies; or the guy who carries out his wounded comrades under intense fire. (AND THEY ARE!)

But, I believe Ludwig’s original intent was to say there are thousands or tens of thousands of soldiers (or civilians) that “did their jobs” and didn’t get a Bronze Star, and Purple Heart or a Medal of Honor. For example, the RAF Pilots that faces the German onslaught for months and months are unquestionable heroes. The firefighters that faced raging firestorms, collapsing buildings and German bombs night after night, armed with little more than a hose were “Unsung Heroes”.

All the sailors aboard fighting ships were Heroes, but the Merchant Marines who fought the storm tossed seas, German U-Boats and fatique were Unsung Heroes.

Larry

 

[Poppo]

When I used the word "silly", I was in a good mood and being, well, …. kind .... I really wanted to say – Ignorant.

With the exception of a very few movies they are all simply meant for entertainment, nothing more. There is as much historical fact in “The Longest Day” or the “Battle of the Bulge” as there is in, say “Star Wars” or (my personal favorite) “Attack of the Killer Tomatoes.”

But this topic has been hashed about a bit.

To get back on track a bit more, we tend to think of Heroes as the ones who, single handedly, take on a fortified position to save his pinned down buddies; or the guy who carries out his wounded comrades under intense fire. (AND THEY ARE!)

But, I believe Ludwig’s original intent was to say there are thousands or tens of thousands of soldiers (or civilians) that “did their jobs” and didn’t get a Bronze Star, and Purple Heart or a Medal of Honor. For example, the RAF Pilots that faces the German onslaught for months and months are unquestionable heroes. The firefighters that faced raging firestorms, collapsing buildings and German bombs night after night, armed with little more than a hose were “Unsung Heroes”.

All the sailors aboard fighting ships were Heroes, but the Merchant Marines who fought the storm tossed seas, German U-Boats and fatique were Unsung Heroes.

Larry

Thank you for your comments Larry!!! I agree with you in everything :salute::

 

[Mitch]

Poppo...

I would have to agree with you to a point about the ability of the german soldier during WWII. When you look at the superiority in men, machines, supplies and, in air power against them its often overlooked at how good the german units were. I don't mean just the SS units but, normal Heer units. The german ability to think on their feet tactically was probably far superior to the allied forces against them and, the superb NCO's and junior officers they seemed able to produce caused many problems for the allies on all fronts.

I have said before thankfully Hitler meddled so much and took so much control from those who knew what they were doing that many lives were probably saved on both sides.

Larry....

Love it!!! Ignorant!!!LOL. I do agree with you that everyone played their part in the war there have been many discussions on those who maintained refuelled re-armed aircraft and AFV's brought supplies etc or, simply farmed the land to feed the population and the troops at the front. Hats off to them all
Mitch

QUOTE=Poppo;506083]Hello Mitch,

you touched a very important point.....Yes, the germans used a very wrong tactics in the battale of Normandy and in many other occasions and they had a pityful intelligence service ( abwher), compared to the wonderful british" intelligence service". Hitler pratically all the time took very wrong tactical decisions and they payed the bill very expensive: for example, as you wrote, he still thought that the main allied attack would have happened in the "Calais" region even one month after the landing!!!!! and This fool didn' t send the panzers at the required moment to stop the american troops. And yes, in normandy were strong grmans waffen ss units who fought wildly, but were send little by little( for the reasons said above).As a summary, I would say that the american-british command and the intelligence service were far superior to the germans, and that the germans troops were superior in the ability of fighting to the americans....[/QUOTE]