Another (Sheesh!) Scale Question (1 Viewer)

[jazzeum]

Without meaning anything but a sincere understanding of measuring parameters, how are you concluding that they are 54mm? The ones I saw seemed to be the size of their Napoleonics. Are you using the "to the eyes" convention?

Bill,

I thought that was on the FL web site but I stand corrected if it is not.

Regards,

 

[Mitch]

I once mentioned that 54mm is on the website and still is and was told they are true 1/30th among other things

I still don't ''get it'' and, never will as coming from a model background first this hobby is the only one I know which, has difficulty in harmonising scale
Mitch

 

[Fusilier]

I don't know about anyone else, but when I see a thread titled 'Another Scale Question', I think "NOOOOOOOOO!"^&grin

Noah

 

[Spitfrnd]

Bill,

I thought that was on the FL web site but I stand corrected if it is not.

Regards,

Good lord no need for apologies mate, I was just interested in how you got that. I can empathize with the confusion caused by that statement but I think they clarified it all in their scale discussion page. Frankly there are more wrong things said about scale in this hobby than right ones which is why I took to doing my own measurements. At least now I know what I mean when I say that; I think.:wink2:^&grin

Noah I hear that but there is no need for that to be true. The whole point of scale is to have a valid reference to both actual people and things and other figures and model things. So it is a question that bares asking from time to time. That is another reason I decided to measure things myself.

 

[churchmouse1]

I still don't ''get it'' and, never will as coming from a model background first this hobby is the only one I know which, has difficulty in harmonising scale
Mitch

Much of that comes from having the industry leader all over the board on vehicles and with clearly over-sized figures. Manufacturers may start out with proper scale figures, but tend to try to match the biggest seller, so their models can be compatible. I'm glad First Legion decided to blaze their own trail in that regard.

Dave

 

[Fusilier]

....I'm glad First Legion decided to blaze their own trail in that regard.

Dave, I would agree wholeheartedly.

Noah I hear that but there is no need for that to be true. The whole point of scale is to have a valid reference to both actual people and things and other figures and model things. So it is a question that bares asking from time to time. That is another reason I decided to measure things myself.

Bill, you know how it can be sometimes, with the same arguments going back and forth! No matter how many times people like you show excellent documentation of true scale, some people want to disregard it. That is totally different from someone legitimately inquiring about scale and differences between companies. Glad to see this thread is the latter!

Noah

 

[Mitch]

I think K&C went from 1/32nd and gradually moved towards 1/30th. I don't know if this issue can all be laid at their door. though, as all manufacturers have seemingly struggled with this and continue to do so in some areas. I don't also know if I would agree that FL trail blazed as they have messed around with scale and size of releases also so, it may have been explained on their site and it may have been a one off for this manufacturer but, I still stand by my comment that its something all manufcaturers have struggled with in this hobby.
Mitch

Much of that comes from having the industry leader all over the board on vehicles and with clearly over-sized figures. Manufacturers may start out with proper scale figures, but tend to try to match the biggest seller, so their models can be compatible. I'm glad First Legion decided to blaze their own trail in that regard.

Dave

 

[churchmouse1]

I think K&C went from 1/32nd and gradually moved towards 1/30th. I don't know if this issue can all be laid at their door. though, as all manufacturers have seemingly struggled with this and continue to do so in some areas. I don't also know if I would agree that FL trail blazed as they have messed around with scale and size of releases also so, it may have been explained on their site and it may have been a one off for this manufacturer but, I still stand by my comment that its something all manufcaturers have struggled with in this hobby.
Mitch

There is a pressure to be compatible with K&C, which is natural for a small maker, unless he or she can offer a complete line of soldiers, or at least a projected complete line. Most makers seem to have been happy to make complimentary soldiers, which is fine. That's why most folks consider K&C the industry leader.

FL is different, and besides a true scale adjustment after the Napoleonic Bavarians, I wasn't aware of other scale tinkering, certainly not to the extent of CS or Figarti. Besides that, as others have said, on this thread even; regardless of scale, the FL style is not compatible with other manufacturers.

Dave

 

[Mitch]

All I was saying was that scale has been an issue to ALL manufacturers regardless they have had issues in this hobby and FL are no different whether it is one issue or not. I think FL are fortunate to have entered the hobby after manufacturers like CS, HB, Figarti and others have all added and tested the market in terms of price quality and design.

FL, IMO, has not exactly taken the market by storm and has not really changed the way manufacturers have designed or produced or released their items nor, really changed the way the majority of collectors, view the market or, spend their money.

Now, on your point of compatibility, that is down to the individual collector not, the views of a few on here as, contrary to that view, I have seen FL figures work very well with HB and Figarti AFV's.
Mitch

There is a pressure to be compatible with K&C, which is natural for a small maker, unless he or she can offer a complete line of soldiers, or at least a projected complete line. Most makers seem to have been happy to make complimentary soldiers, which is fine. That's why most folks consider K&C the industry leader.

FL is different, and besides a true scale adjustment after the Napoleonic Bavarians, I wasn't aware of other scale tinkering, certainly not to the extent of CS or Figarti. Besides that, as others have said, on this thread even; regardless of scale, the FL style is not compatible with other manufacturers.

Dave

 

[mestell]

Not that it matters a great deal to me what the scale is of the FL AWI line (I don't intend to "mix & match" these great looking figures with another brand), I got curious last night and measured two of mine with a micrometer. Keep in mind that on the FL web site they advertise the AWI range as 54mm. However, when I measured AWI034 & AWI039, two marching Grenadiers without bearskins on, not counting the base thickness, from the bottom of their shoes to the top of their head was exactly 60mm.
:smile2: Mike

 

[Vezzolf]

Not that it matters a great deal to me what the scale is of the FL AWI line (I don't intend to "mix & match" these great looking figures with another brand), I got curious last night and measured two of mine with a micrometer. Keep in mind that on the FL web site they advertise the AWI range as 54mm. However, when I measured AWI034 & AWI039, two marching Grenadiers without bearskins on, not counting the base thickness, from the bottom of their shoes to the top of their head was exactly 60mm.
:smile2: Mike

First legion is true 1:30 as far as I can tell....Thanks for measuring.....I also do not "mix & match"....It's like oil and water... the real issue is for me is that First Legion is "consistent" in size within the range in question...........That's what I'm looking for....Realism, better painting, more detailed and focus on particular battles (not all over the place with obscure subject matter).......If they looked like K/C or others I would not be purchasing them simple as that....I'm glad this company has given us something different and better.....and as someone said earlier I'm glad FL decided to "blaze their own trail".

 

[Spitfrnd]

There is a pressure to be compatible with K&C, which is natural for a small maker, unless he or she can offer a complete line of soldiers, or at least a projected complete line. Most makers seem to have been happy to make complimentary soldiers, which is fine. That's why most folks consider K&C the industry leader.

FL is different, and besides a true scale adjustment after the Napoleonic Bavarians, I wasn't aware of other scale tinkering, certainly not to the extent of CS or Figarti. Besides that, as others have said, on this thread even; regardless of scale, the FL style is not compatible with other manufacturers.

Dave

I think there is much truth in that. It is understandable that smaller or newer producers would generally try and be "compatible" with the sales volume leader, whatever scale they are (which sure measures rather north of 1/30). I am very glad that FL resisted that temptation and chose to provide a distinctive product that is likely more compatible with Russian figures. Frankly otherwise they wouldn't offer a true alternative and I probably wouldn't be collecting them.

 

[Mitch]

What did you collect before FL???
Mitch

I think there is much truth in that. It is understandable that smaller or newer producers would generally try and be "compatible" with the sales volume leader, whatever scale they are (which sure measures rather north of 1/30). I am very glad that FL resisted that temptation and chose to provide a distinctive product that is likely more compatible with Russian figures. Frankly otherwise they wouldn't offer a true alternative and I probably wouldn't be collecting them.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Not that it matters a great deal to me what the scale is of the FL AWI line (I don't intend to "mix & match" these great looking figures with another brand), I got curious last night and measured two of mine with a micrometer. Keep in mind that on the FL web site they advertise the AWI range as 54mm. However, when I measured AWI034 & AWI039, two marching Grenadiers without bearskins on, not counting the base thickness, from the bottom of their shoes to the top of their head was exactly 60mm.
:smile2: Mike

I think it is difficult to measure figures as opposed to AFVs because people can vary quite a bit in size and still be in the "normal" range. I just stand the figure against an object of a known height, like the deck of a tank and compare to actual photos from WW2. Any figure from any era can be placed next to a tank to get an idea of it's scale. As well, figures from different manufacturers can be placed side by side to see how they look together for scale. That also compares the volume of the figure.

What puzzles me is that it was mentioned on this forum that the FL Crusaders are the same size as the K&C Crusaders. But every other FL range that I have figures in (Naps, AWI) or compared figures (WWII), there is a noticeable size difference. Are the K&C and FL Crusaders really the same size?

Terry

 

[Mitch]

I remember K&C stated on release of the crusades that they would be smaller say 1/32nd to make them compatible for collectors who had other ranges. So, from the start K&C said the reason for the change in size
Mitch

 

[Phantom Warrior]

I remember K&C stated on release of the crusades that they would be smaller say 1/32nd to make them compatible for collectors who had other ranges. So, from the start K&C said the reason for the change in size
Mitch

So they are. I just put a K&C Crusader next to a K&C WWII figure and the Crusaer is definitely smaller. - about the size of my FL Naps and AWI figures. Good, because there are a few FL Crusaders I would like to get.

Terry