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Churchill did not just inspire the British mate he inspired the whole empire. Jan Smuts took SA into the war because he felt that we could not leave Britain alone.Smuts was a great friend of Churchill It cost him dearly because the Afrikaans Nationalists who in many cases were Facists did not want to fight for Britain. This cost Smuts the election in 1948 put in the Nats and lead to apartheid as we know it. There is no doubt that Britain was finished as a world power after WWII. They could not hold Greece from the communists and handed it over to America and the long retreat from empire began. He was a great man there is no doubt about that
 
They could not hold Greece from the communists and handed it over to America and the long retreat from empire began. He was a great man there is no doubt about that

As far as I can recall, the popular accounts say that Stalin let Churchill burn the envelope upon the back of which post-War "spheres of influence" had been agreed. Stalin understood that any threat to the Suez/Eastern Med would be in breach of those understandings reached. The Greek Communists, thus deprived of the support of the USSR, could not win. (In fact over the following decades they had rival communist parties of the 'interior' and exterior the KKE and KKI). Of course the Poles regarded the adoption of Lord Curzon's Line as its eastern boundary as being every bit as bad as Hitler's ambitions for the Polish corridor to the Baltic at the start of the war. Personally I would not doubt that Churchill had reached some loose arrangements with Stalin but that his departure and the death of FDR left Stalin with a huge advantage at Potsdam in shaping the post-war order.

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Forgot to add this link: you can access most of the Churchill:Stalin official correspondence from the Foreign and Commonwealth archives. Much is tedious, as they engage in recriminations over this and that, but it at least sets the framework within which their famous (infamous) head-to-head meetings would have taken place:

http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1036517945657
 
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Dear Pierre,
Andy Neilson and I will both be attending the West Coaster Toy Soldier Show in Irvine, California on the first weekend of March. Like the Chicago Show, the West Coaster has room trading which usually starts Thursday or Friday before the actual Sunday show. Andy gets a room to display prototypes and masters of his new figures, so if he lets me into his room Thursday night, which is March 1st, I should be able to post photos and a report that same night.:)
 
We should have leaders who know things the general public should not know. And these leaders should act on that information, as long as their actions are in their country's best interest and not because of some distorted political view of history or events.

I believe this was the case with Churchill, FDR, and Truman. Churchill was not the only leader who knew that the US would eventually decide the war, FDR knew it as well. He had to contend with the isolationists and the other political issues that wanted to prevent war. They (Churchill, FDR and Truman) knew information that the public did not and they made decisions that proved to be correct. It was vital for our national defense and survival when you consider the alternative that was presented.

The problem is that often some leaders make the wrong decisions, with all the good intentions for their national defense, while keeping their secret information secret. I think that the disclosure laws are good because eventually historians will be able to read and understand the true facts surrounding political decisions involving war and other threats to national defense. The problem is that period in between action and disclosure and levels of trust.

Trust is an issue with politicians. They often have to use what is called in today's world a "spin." Well if you spin often and long enough, ya get dizzy and lose track of which way is up and which way is which.

Michael, Rob, Damion and (where are you Ozdigger?), I agree he was fascinating. Would you knowingly let someone putting away that much brandy (allegedly) rule you? - it is counter intuitive. He made some dreadful decisions and interfered like another political leader in Germany with military decisions - snatching defeat from the jaws of Victory by sending forces from N Africa to Greece for example in 1941 - O'Connor has been interviewed saying he blames himself (see World at War) - I don't - sacking Wavell another - but isn't that what makes him so interesting? Do not believe even he would suppress Pearl Harbour, he was after all from an American Mum wasn't he?
 
You are probably right. But it seems the American intelligence services were asleep on the job as with 9-11
 
You are probably right. But it seems the American intelligence services were asleep on the job as with 9-11

SEEMS!!! Man oh man is that an understatement or what?

And then turn around and look at intellegence in the pre-Irag war period.
 
Dear Pierre,
Andy Neilson and I will both be attending the West Coaster Toy Soldier Show in Irvine, California on the first weekend of March. Like the Chicago Show, the West Coaster has room trading which usually starts Thursday or Friday before the actual Sunday show. Andy gets a room to display prototypes and masters of his new figures, so if he lets me into his room Thursday night, which is March 1st, I should be able to post photos and a report that same night.:)

Hi Steven-

I will wait impatiently for your report and photos. Thanks for your time.

I am planning to buy the wedding procession later this year and my SOHK collection is growing steadily. What a great serie!

Pierre.
 
Pierre.

Do you collect matt or gloss SOHK?

I (my wife really) collect matt versions.

Jeff
 
Pierre.

Do you collect matt or gloss SOHK?

I (my wife really) collect matt versions.

Jeff

Hi Jeff-

I collect matt version but will no hesitate to bid on the glossy ones on eBay in respect of the retired figures/sets.

Best regards,
Pierre.
 
Michael, Rob, Damion and (where are you Ozdigger?), I agree he was fascinating. Would you knowingly let someone putting away that much brandy (allegedly) rule you? - it is counter intuitive. He made some dreadful decisions and interfered like another political leader in Germany with military decisions - snatching defeat from the jaws of Victory by sending forces from N Africa to Greece for example in 1941 - O'Connor has been interviewed saying he blames himself (see World at War) - I don't - sacking Wavell another - but isn't that what makes him so interesting? Do not believe even he would suppress Pearl Harbour, he was after all from an American Mum wasn't he?

Hi Panda, I'm late to the party again ;) There is little doubt that Churchill knew that Japan was planning an attack on the US, and the US governement were warned of an attack. However it was not known where the attack would fall as there were and still are a number of US bases etc in the Pacific, including the Phillipines etc. And in fact many of these were attacked around the same time that Pearl Harbour was attacked.

Therefore the fault of inaction has to be placed solely on the US President, his advisers and perhaps some higher ups in the US military. The British gave the US a number of headsup but the US chose to ignore these advices such as the convoy system and daylight bombing. The US had to learn from their own mistakes, something like my teenage boys, you can tell em, but they never listen do they ;)
 
I agree. The first K&C sets I purchased close to 18 years ago was Streets of Old Hong Kong and it has remained the major focus of my K&C collection.:)

I assume that you have all the figures/sets/buildings that K&C produced over the years.

I looked at the brochures in Bill Sager's site and I was stunned by the Chinese Garden, the Docks, the Bridge, the fire brigade and burning building, etc, etc.

It will be impossible to have everything but I like to dream.

BTW, I just bought the Elephant from the Silk Road serie. Can't wait to receive it.

If you ever had the time, please post photos of you SOHK colletion, I will be more than happy to have a look at it.

Amitiés,
Pierre.
 
Well its nice to hear reasoned debate on this forum again.You are of course right about Churchill he had many flaws of course.In fact when he first inspected the 'Churchill' tank he said "this tank has more faults than i do".He was of course a hugely famous/infamous person,his role in the Dardenelles fiasco in WW1 is evidence of this.You made some very good and fair points in your post.What i liked about Churchill was his absolute devotion to the destruction of Hitler and his regime.And there is no doubt his contaigous courage,pride and defiance helped my country rise to the challenge and kick Hitlers arse in the Battle of Britain.For all his faults thank god for him.

Rob

Yeah, but for all their faults I would clone FDR and Churchill and put them in office for ever over the pack of lackluster political hacks that have run my country during my lifetime. Could you imagine "W" trying to handle Hitler? Yikes!
 
Hey Louis, The W you were refering was that William Jefferson Clinton? Hitler would have sent Eva Braun to the U.S. and William would have kept close company with this young lady. Hitler would then send K/C FJ1-FJ6 to capture the White House and the rest would be history.
 
Oh No - here we go again...............

I plan to sit out this discussion. Another drink for me - please. :D
 
No its all good.Its good to have open discussion and listen to fair comments from all sides.Its whats so good about this forum.

Rob
 
Hey Louis, The W you were refering was that William Jefferson Clinton? Hitler would have sent Eva Braun to the U.S. and William would have kept close company with this young lady. Hitler would then send K/C FJ1-FJ6 to capture the White House and the rest would be history.


Clinton is no prize either. There hasn't been a president in my lifetime who was fit to carry FDR or Churchill's jocks. But I was referring to our present Chief Oaf, who can't even handle Iraq, much less the Third Reich.
 
As long as the comments are fair.

Ron

I'm fair, I hate all politicians equally. My lifetime's version of Reblicans and Democrats are just that, politicians, not leaders. Not a decent one in the bunch on the national level. Rudy Guliani was the only decent politician in my experience.
 

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