Anyone recieved FJs yet?? (2 Viewers)

[Lo1863]

I have the FL 4th infantry figures and I like them but I think they are somewhat small bodily (i.e. a little short and thin in stature)....I bought them to go with my FL Sherman......I do not have any of the FL US para's yet and I am considering them.......Unfortunately I do not think that the FL 4th infantry will go well with the FL US para's......The size difference may be too much to use them side by side in a battle scene.....That's why I am asking for some comparison photos of these two WWII US soldier units..... The FL US para's seem to be closer in size to the FL Waffen SS figures....and....The US 4th infantry figures seem to be closer in size to the FJ series.....My guess is that is how they will need to be paired up to be size compatible in a war scene diorama........Photos would be helpful.

Thanks for the reply! I have all the US Para's and they seem to match closer in size to my Stalingrad German's than to my Waffen-SS. The SS are slightly larger and bulkier when placed beside my US Para's. I have noticed the size/scale differences between my First Legion WWII collection (Russian Stalingrad, German Stalingrad, SS, US Para's, Africa) and this is all good to know before I added the 4th Infantry Division to my collection. Why can't they just decide?!

 

[Vezzolf]

Over all I would have to say that FL is very consistent in regards to scale but there have been a few minor glitches in WWII.....The FJ's were a little small and so also are the US 4th infantry figures.....Note:The size of the weapons is not what we are trying to discuss here....we are discussing the variances in bodily stature of WWII figures.....The DAK range and the British 8th Army figures match up very well:salute::...and the recent British Para's are fine as well in terms of scale:salute:: I do not have any FL US para's but I believe that the FL US para's will likely pair up well with FL Stalingrad Germans and The British para's as well.:salute::....Lastly Again to my eye the size glitch seems to be with the FJ series and the US 4th infantry series which are somewhat overly small IMO but at least these 2 will work well together.{sm4}......Again I think that comparison photos will bear this out.

 

[Hunter Rose]

Lastly Again to my eye the size glitch seems to be with the FJ series and the US 4th infantry series which are somewhat overly small IMO but at least these 2 will work well together.{sm4}......Again I think that comparison photos will bear this out.

That's not been my experience. The US Paras work fine with the US 4th Infantry. Especially in a battle scene.

There is some variation in size between some of the different lines, sure, but people make way too much out of this IMO. All the equipment is scaled the same, and most of the body size variation is less than I have seen in plenty of WW2 photos. There's also size variations within the lines, which no one ever seems to acknowledge. It makes for much more realism to me, where not all soldiers are the same size.

Overall the lines mix and match just fine. But if you want all your First Legion soldiers to be exactly the same height like other manufacturers you might be disappointed.

 

[sammy719]

As Hunter's photos show there is little to no difference in any major size variation be it Paras, FJ, SS, or 4th Infantry, I have most all of the 4th, SS,Paras and working on finishing the FJ range and whether it be in a large diorama or stand alone sets all of the WWII ranges (including the Stalingrad Germans) go hand in hand...Sammy

 

[Lo1863]

Fantastic pictures there, Hunter Rose! Looking at them makes me agree with you and yes, people do vary in size. Also looking at those pics makes me want to purchase the Fallschirmjager's. My my...which to choose...4th Infantry Division or Fallschirmjager's??????

By the way, I am very partial to the medic helping the wounded soldier of the 4th Infantry Division. First Legion is truly a work of art! {sm4}

 

[Vezzolf]

That's not been my experience. The US Paras work fine with the US 4th Infantry. Especially in a battle scene.

There is some variation in size between some of the different lines, sure, but people make way too much out of this IMO. All the equipment is scaled the same, and most of the body size variation is less than I have seen in plenty of WW2 photos. There's also size variations within the lines, which no one ever seems to acknowledge. It makes for much more realism to me, where not all soldiers are the same size.

Overall the lines mix and match just fine. But if you want all your First Legion soldiers to be exactly the same height like other manufacturers you might be disappointed.

Hunter, Thank you for posting these fine photos....It may not be as far off as I first thought.....But... could you also post some photos in a linear line up style in order to compare the 4th infantry size with the US para's and the FJ's....I think that you will find the 4th infantry sizes matches the FJ's best (smaller figures)....The US para's and the Waffen SS sizes would seem work best together....Setting up more then one or two figures in the line up will also give an accurate evaluation of size differences .......It would be helpful for us to see the level of variance in that type of view/perspective........Thank You Frank

 

[chemiebay]

Awesome pictures, thanks for posting them.
Different sizes? YES, Compatibility? 100%

 

[Hunter Rose]

Wunsche: "Meyer, you are too puny to fight with my SS...you should join the Fallschirmjagers."

 

[Hunter Rose]

Just kidding above, but it makes my point that people come in different sizes.

Sure the Waffen SS figures tend to be slightly larger than the FJs on the whole, but they're all in dynamic poses and when placed together in a scene blend in fine. There are slight size differences in figures across the lines, and within them as well, but it is all well within the normal range of human size.

All the figures work together fine and there's no issues displaying SS, FJs, Stalingrad, US Paras, or US 4th ID figures together.

 

[Vezzolf]

Hunter...Looks OK...in these pictures....I believe that they are all close enough to work by placing figures strategically in a diorama..... That at least will certainly help with the size discrepancies which to my eye are evident in the FJ's and 4th infantry figures (smaller size)....Thank you for providing all these photos. :salute::.....Best Frank

 

[bradleyl30]

Hunter, Thank you for posting these fine photos....It may not be as far off as I first thought.....But... could you also post some photos in a linear line up style in order to compare the 4th infantry size with the US para's and the FJ's....I think that you will find the 4th infantry sizes matches the FJ's best (smaller figures)....The US para's and the Waffen SS sizes would seem work best together....Setting up more then one or two figures in the line up will also give an accurate evaluation of size differences .......It would be helpful for us to see the level of variance in that type of view/perspective........Thank You Frank

But that does not make sense unless you display them in a very strict line up. You will only notice this if you choose to display them in a way that accentuates the minor differences . Once you place them in realistic scenes they look completely compatible like HR's pictures show. This is deliberate manufacture of drama that does not need to exist.

 

[bradleyl30]

Wunsche: "Meyer, you are too puny to fight with my SS...you should join the Fallschirmjagers."

Hahahaha! Perfect!

 

[bradleyl30]

Just kidding above, but it makes my point that people come in different sizes.

Sure the Waffen SS figures tend to be slightly larger than the FJs on the whole, but they're all in dynamic poses and when placed together in a scene blend in fine. There are slight size differences in figures across the lines, and within them as well, but it is all well within the normal range of human size.

All the figures work together fine and there's no issues displaying SS, FJs, Stalingrad, US Paras, or US 4th ID figures together.

They all look like the same species with normal variation of humanity fighting in Europe at the time.

 

[Vezzolf]

But that does not make sense unless you display them in a very strict line up. You will only notice this if you choose to display them in a way that accentuates the minor differences . Once you place them in realistic scenes they look completely compatible like HR's pictures show. This is deliberate manufacture of drama that does not need to exist.

Bradley.:rolleyes2:.....No..... it's not needless drama... it is a legitimate discussion regarding scale...If you feel that it does not need to exist then you don't need to read or participate in the discussion....Simple as that....Hunter provided some excellent photos showing that when they are displayed strategically in a diorama scene they can work together despite the size differences.:salute::.....Good and valuable information provided for all serious FL collectors in this thread.

 

[Hunter Rose]

Hunter provided some excellent photos showing that when they are displayed strategically in a diorama scene they can work together despite the size differences.:salute::.....

That's not how I would put it.

I did not strategically place anything. I threw a bunch of First Legion figures that were roughly in the same poses next to each other. They all look fine.

I'd state it that any small size differences between figures is overblown and all the lines work just fine with each other. It is a non-issue.

 

[Vezzolf]

That's not how I would put it.

I did not strategically place anything. I threw a bunch of First Legion figures that were roughly in the same poses next to each other. They all look fine.

I'd state it that any small size differences between figures is overblown and all the lines work just fine with each other. It is a non-issue.

This is how I would put it....We then at least we are in partial agreement:wink2:.{eek3}.....But not in complete agreement.....It was good to discuss this issue as there is an obvious size difference between some of these WWII sub-ranges.....There is no denying the size differences especially when you have the figures in hand side by side.....(e.g. FJ's are smallish when compared to the US Para's.)....That is my actual observation when they are held in hand and in the flesh.......But that said camera angles and correct figure placement in a diorama war scene makes the size differences almost basically negligible ....and that is good news for FL WWII collectors who wish to use them together....Again thank you for providing the photos......Bottom Line is that we will have to agree to disagree to the extent explained......To each one their "own views" no matter how they "actually" see it.

 

[Lo1863]

The real question is, how long are the shoe strings on their boots?

 

[Vezzolf]

The real question is, how long are the shoe strings on their boots?

I would imagine that they are "approximately" the same length{sm4}.....And that it is likely a non-issue:wink2:.....I think..... but we will have to measure it to be sure....{sm4}{sm4}{sm4}......All kidding aside FL Still Rules:salute::

 

[sammy719]

Again I agree with Hunter, the photos speak for themselves, no magic photography or manipulation of angles just some pics of random sets from different ranges that work very well together in my opinion at least.

 

[Vezzolf]

Again I agree with Hunter, the photos speak for themselves, no magic photography or manipulation of angles just some pics of random sets from different ranges that work very well together in my opinion at least.

Yes we all have our opinions:wink2:.....Again holding some of them in hand, and in the flesh will show a definite size difference IMO....IMO there is a noteable size difference when we are talking FJ's and US para's but fortunately the degree of variance is not totally unacceptable IMO.......IMO it still works.somewhat borderline, but still in the acceptable level ....Personally I would have preferred that these two sub-ranges ranges were more size consistent (still these figures are all so good that I bought them all)....As a rule FL produces very size consistent figures within a range...and I'm sure that they will continue to produce accurately scaled harmoniously scaled products for WWII.