Approaching WW1 100TH ANNIVERSARY (1 Viewer)

[Rob]

OH NO! Does 'aweful = rubbish' hmmmm, ok now it was bad, it was historically inaccurate, it had Mel Gibson in it and it was too long! so aweful..... but rubbish... well?.....{sm3}^&grin.
Wayne.

I'm only kidding mate:wink2: Its inaccurate and perpetuates myths but its not rubbish really:smile2:

Rob

 

[waynepoo]

I'm only kidding mate:wink2: Its inaccurate and perpetuates myths but its not rubbish really:smile2:

Rob

Lets just say bloody bad flick.....{sm3}
Wayne.

 

[Jack]

Lets just say bloody bad flick.....{sm3}
Wayne.

You are quite harsh in your judgement of 'Gallipoli'. It is an excellent movie in terms of acting, production values and the strength of the narrative. At an historical level, well...that is a different story. It is myth making at its most effective. In fact, a long time ago when the earth was green (Irish Rovers refrence for anyone who gets it) I taught a film unit on nationalism that focused on this movie. It is not that the movie is bad, but that it is (then at least) a modern presentation of very old and discredited ideas. The themes are dragged straight from 1915. There is no updating or interrogation of the myth that 'colonials, intent on nation making, were sent to their deaths by English butchers'. Anyway, here endth the lesson.

Bring back the counting of movie title posts!

 

[waynepoo]

You are quite harsh in your judgement of 'Gallipoli'. It is an excellent movie in terms of acting, production values and the strength of the narrative. At an historical level, well...that is a different story. It is myth making at its most effective. In fact, a long time ago when the earth was green (Irish Rovers refrence for anyone who gets it) I taught a film unit on nationalism that focused on this movie. It is not that the movie is bad, but that it is (then at least) a modern presentation of very old and discredited ideas. The themes are dragged straight from 1915. There is no updating or interrogation of the myth that 'colonials, intent on nation making, were sent to their deaths by English butchers'. Anyway, here endth the lesson.

Bring back the counting of movie title posts!

You just know that in 2015 we here in OZ will have a 'Gallipoli' year and the movie will be repeated and rewatched and it will get no better..:rolleyes2: What is needed is a well made and historically accurate movie about the A.I.F on the Western Front, after all that is where they really became a legend (to Australians) and we all know the 'Galliopli' story but many still have little or no idea about the WF, Galliopli was a side show and a defeat.
Wayne.

 

[larso]

I watch it every year as part of an Australian film unit. Yes, it looks a bit tired and there's some cringe-worthy dialogue but a lot of it is still quite good. It's important to remember that when it was first made it was a very impressive bit of film making in Australia. It made an impact on many people who didn't normally watch war films and probably had a bit to do with the resurgence in Anzac Day as an important national moment.

 

[Rob]

I watch it every year as part of an Australian film unit. Yes, it looks a bit tired and there's some cringe-worthy dialogue but a lot of it is still quite good. It's important to remember that when it was first made it was a very impressive bit of film making in Australia. It made an impact on many people who didn't normally watch war films and probably had a bit to do with the resurgence in Anzac Day as an important national moment.

Trouble is mate it went some way to cementing stereotypical myths about that campaign. Now some will straight away say ' its only a film' but I'm afraid many many people believe everything they see on the big screen, and I have direct experience of this very point.

Some years back whilst showing a group around London I was approached by an Australian couple , the woman stepped forward and said how much she was enjoying her visit and loved London. Her husband spoke up and the very first words out of his mouth were;

' I've always hated you Brits'

Resisting the urge to use the traditional Anglo Saxon instruction for the racist bigot to go forth forthwith from my country, I merely said

' Really, why's that then'
'Ever since I saw Gallipoli, I've hated you guys'
' You believed it then '
' What' ??
' Everything in the film'?
' Yeah'
' You know it didn't happen like that don't you'?
' Come on mate, they wouldn't put it in a film if it didn't happen' !

And there you have it my friends, ' they wouldn't put it in a film if it didn't happen' . Some people will swallow anything. And this is why I bang on about historical accuracy in films. Another film featuring the wonderful Mr Gibson was Patriot in which the British are shown burning people to death in a Church, do you know where that idea came from, first hand accounts from the American revolution itself perhaps, nope none other than the SS atrocity at Oradour Sur glane in 1944! Which unless I missed day one, page one of History class the fricking second world War was some considerable time after the American revolution!!!

This brings me to the other side of the coin. For years after Saving Private Ryan there has been grumbling in this country about why there were no Brits featured, a leading film critic used this moan just this week when reviewing this film. And I sit there and think what???! There were no Brits fighting on Omaha beach! (there were British sailors ferrying US Troops into the beaches on landing craft, some of these craft were hit and sunk resulting in Brits being on the beaches, mostly unarmed). Its not a film about D Day like The Longest Day, its about the landing on Omaha beach and then a mission by American troops to rescue American troops, so why would anyone expect Brit troops???

The minute we start accepting things that are either plain wrong or someones warped view of the truth we can kiss goodbye to great films and all start worshiping films like the Battle of the Bulge! :wink2:

But apart from that Gallipoli is great!!^&grin

Rob

 

[Mitch]

most of the stuff released is for entertainment. obviously, people will think its real just like people think what is in the Sun etc is fact and, that soaps are real!!! I stayed in a hotel in London and one in Liverpool where there were signs saying not to use hairdryers in the shower!!!!

more brits et al died at Gallipoli but, nobody shows that so, its taken with a pinch of salt. In saving private Ryan they could not even get something as simple as getting the beach defences the right way around!!
Mitch

 

[Jack]

Trouble is mate it went some way to cementing stereotypical myths about that campaign. Now some will straight away say ' its only a film' but I'm afraid many many people believe everything they see on the big screen, and I have direct experience of this very point.

Some years back whilst showing a group around London I was approached by an Australian couple , the woman stepped forward and said how much she was enjoying her visit and loved London. Her husband spoke up and the very first words out of his mouth were;

' I've always hated you Brits'

Resisting the urge to use the traditional Anglo Saxon instruction for the racist bigot to go forth forthwith from my country, I merely said

' Really, why's that then'
'Ever since I saw Gallipoli, I've hated you guys'
' You believed it then '
' What' ??
' Everything in the film'?
' Yeah'
' You know it didn't happen like that don't you'?
' Come on mate, they wouldn't put it in a film if it didn't happen' !

And there you have it my friends, ' they wouldn't put it in a film if it didn't happen' . Some people will swallow anything. And this is why I bang on about historical accuracy in films. Another film featuring the wonderful Mr Gibson was Patriot in which the British are shown burning people to death in a Church, do you know where that idea came from, first hand accounts from the American revolution itself perhaps, nope none other than the SS atrocity at Oradour Sur glane in 1944! Which unless I missed day one, page one of History class the fricking second world War was some considerable time after the American revolution!!!

This brings me to the other side of the coin. For years after Saving Private Ryan there has been grumbling in this country about why there were no Brits featured, a leading film critic used this moan just this week when reviewing this film. And I sit there and think what???! There were no Brits fighting on Omaha beach! (there were British sailors ferrying US Troops into the beaches on landing craft, some of these craft were hit and sunk resulting in Brits being on the beaches, mostly unarmed). Its not a film about D Day like The Longest Day, its about the landing on Omaha beach and then a mission by American troops to rescue American troops, so why would anyone expect Brit troops???

The minute we start accepting things that are either plain wrong or someones warped view of the truth we can kiss goodbye to great films and all start worshiping films like the Battle of the Bulge! :wink2:

But apart from that Gallipoli is great!!^&grin

Rob

Rob

Think how much harder the invasion would have been without the naval enigma machine the Americans captured from U-571 - you know - the one they made a movie about{sm4}{sm4}.

I even put two smiley faces to help you remain calm!!

Jack

 

[waynepoo]

Rob

Think how much harder the invasion would have been without the naval enigma machine the Americans captured from U-571 - you know - the one they made a movie about{sm4}{sm4}.

I even put two smiley faces to help you remain calm!!

Jack

Now that was a 'rubbish' movie, Jon Bon Jovi...good lord my dog is a better actor!.....:rolleyes2:
Wayne.

 

[Rob]

Rob

Think how much harder the invasion would have been without the naval enigma machine the Americans captured from U-571 - you know - the one they made a movie about{sm4}{sm4}.

I even put two smiley faces to help you remain calm!!

Jack

LMAO!^&grin^&grin^&grin

Don't you get me started, don't you do that!!!!!^&grin

Rob