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I have been going through some sources and trying to determine the company strength of various regiments, when I can find specific numbers. I have included the regimental strengths and the corresponding company estimates from a number of different battles. All fractions are rounded down and I did not include any Guards formations. Where flank units are included (or not), I note that.

The Battle of Saratoga saw the following British Regiments involved, with their regimental strength listed, as of July 1st, 1777: 9th (542), 20th (528), 21st (538), 24th (528), 47th (524), 53rd (537), and the 62nd (541). Divide each of these regimental strengths by 10 and you get the following approximate company estimates: 54, 52, 53, 52, 52, 53, 54. This makes an average of just over 52. Interesting to note that these regimental numbers are based on a full, 10-company regiment, as the grenadiers and light infantry were present with each of these regiments. Also, the flank companies of the following regiments were part of Burgoyne's Army: 29th, 31st, and 34th, with a combined strength of 329. Divide that number by 6 (3 regiments with two flank companies each) and you get a company strength of 54. Very consistent numbers. My source was John F. Luzader's book Saratoga: A Military History of the Decisive Campaign of the American Revolution.

The Battle of Monmouth saw the following British regiments involved, along with their strengths, as of June 28, 1778: 4th (321), 5th (367), 7th (333), 10th (135), 15th (352), 17th (330), 23rd (432), 26th (314), 27th (340), 28th (313), 33rd (365), 37th (386), 40th (322), 42nd in 2 battalions (639), 44th (334), 46th (319), 49th (372), 55th (268), 63rd (305), 64th (426). These regimental numbers do not include the flank companies, so the company strength estimates are: 32, 36, 33, 13, 35, 33, 43, 31, 34, 31, 36, 38, 32, 31, 33, 31, 37, 26, 30, 42. This makes an average of just under 33. Again, it is interesting to see the numbers are fairly consistent, even if significantly lower than the company strengths from Saratoga. I would attribute this to the weeks of marching and skirmishing prior to the Battle of Monmouth, whereas the number for Burgoyne's Army are from the first day of his campaign. Source for these numbers was Brendan Morrisey's title Monmouth Courthouse.

Anyone sick of numbers yet?;) Here is one more. The Battle of Cowpens and Guilford Courthouse was the following regiments, with their given strengths: Cowpens saw the 7th (175 in four consolidated companies) and 1st Battalion, 71st (263 probably 6 companies); Guilford Courthouse saw the 23rd (238 in 4 companies), 33rd (234 in 4 companies), 2nd Battalion, 71st (244 in 6 companies). There were no flank companies present with these regiments. These numbers show company strength estimates to be: 43, 43, 59, 58, and 40. This averages out to just under 49. Here it is interesting to see how the number of companies were reduced in order to keep company numbers higher, due partially to the long, drawn out campaigning these units had endured. Also, the severe shortage of officers helped necessitate this consolidation. Sources for these numbers were two superb books by Lawrence Babits: A Devil of a Whipping: The Battle of Cowpens and Long, Obstinate and Bloody: The Battle of Guilford Courthouse.

Fascinating stuff, if you want to sift through the numbers. In the end, we see a consistent company strength well below the authorized number. While this is not news to anyone, it does show how the number was kept fairly consistent across the different regiments.

Noah
 
The bottom line is that the British AWI infantry company was not very big at all . . . this makes creating one with TS very doable . . . .
:) Mike
 
Thanks for the info guys, I am really enjoying this thread love all the stats. Keep up the good work. Good news about the sneak peak next week and a new regiment to follow.
 
My Colonial Militia defending a farmstead against search and seizure by his royal majesty's Grenadiers . . .
:) Mike

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These are amazing photos, Mike. Really nicely put together. Love to see these militia figures in action.

MD
 
Very nice dio Mike
I started AWI besides Naps
Really like that range (history)
Good going my freind
Maple Leaf
 
Thank you; Dave, Frank, artmabigor, and maple Leaf . . . .

My order of 14 Grenadiers arrived this afternoon at my doorstep. This completes my 5th Foot Grenadier Company. The company has 36 pvts, 2 sgts, 3 officers, and 2 drummers for a total of 43 men. This approximately makes a full AWI combat company. Regulations allowed for 38 pvts, 3 corporals, 2 sgts, 3 officers, and 2 drummers for each British Grenadier company for a total of 48 men. The 5th Foot Grenadiers had 41 men present for Lexington and Concord. Considering all this, I feel very comfortable in stating that I have a full company of Grenadiers. I also have 3 casulaty figures, a mounted Colonel, and 2 flag bearers for a grand total of 49 5th Foot British figures.

The sad thing is that I really won't have time to "play' with my Rev War figures until Saturday or Sunday due to planned committments :( . . . . oh well, gives me something to look forward to . Here are a few quick photos of the company marching forward to attack a group of Colonial militia as only the British could . . . . smartly and disciplined . . .
:) Mike

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Fabulous Mike!!! Now that is a battle line. The militia may need a little help. I can only imagine what your photos will look like once FL expands on the AWI line!
 
http://www.americanrevolution.org/britisharmy1.html

Fun and interesting link. For those interested in British Army size and organization during the AWI. Provides guidance on company size, including grenadier companies. Really nice how the 23rd Royal Welsh Fusileers is fully broken down and described in detail. 17th Dragoons is similarly broken down and detailed.

Take a look at how many regiments the British had in Ireland - 21 infantry regiments and 12 cavalry regiments. These regiments were not paid for by the London treasury, but by the taxes on the Irish. It was law that the Irish Establishment be maintained at those levels and no cost cutting accountant in London could interfer. When needed outside the British Isles, those Irish regiments would simply be shipped out. Both regiments at the Battle of Monongahela were Irish Establishment (44th and 48th).

At the same time, the British had abolished the Scottish Establishment and very few troops were stationed there at the outbreak of the AWI (474 troops). Jacobite Rebellion ????

Link to the larger index to the web site http://www.americanrevolution.org/britisharmy.html
 
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Found this very interesting (Letter 1777), very large company size in a Scottish Regiment. Seems consistent with the large size of the Highland Regiments in the FIW.

Sir

I am commanded by the King to acquaint you, that His Majesty approves of your Proposal for raising a Regiment of Foot in the Highlands of Scotland; to consist of Eight Battalion Companies, One Company of Grenadiers, and One of Light Infantry. The Battalion Companies to consist each of 1 Captain, 2 Lieutenants, 1 Ensign, 5 Serjeants, 5 Corporals, 2 Drummers, and 100 private Men; the Grenadier Company of 1 Captain, 3 Lieutenants, 5 Serjeants, 5 Corporals, 2 Drummers, 2 Pipers, and 100 private Men; the Light Infantry Company of 1 Captain, 3 Lieutenants, 5 Serjeants, 5 Corporals, 2 Drummers, and 100 Private, with the usual Staff Officers. The Regiment to have the Field Officers under mentioned; viz. One Lieutenant Colonel and One Major, each having also a Company; and One Major without a Company, receiving an Allowance of 10s per Diem in lieu thereof, and 5s per Diem as Major; but in case of the Death or Promotion of the additional Major, the Pay of such Major is to cease upon the Establishment.

The Regiment to be under your Command as Colonel Commandant, with the Command of a Company.

I am to inform you, that Levy Money will be allowed you at the Rate of £3 per Man, for 1,082 Men; and that His Majesty has been pleased to direct, that the Pay of the Regiment shall take place from the Date of your Beating Order; and shall be allowed you in Aid of Recruiting, on Condition that you do render an exact Account of the said Levy Money, and Pay, that shall be issued to you, charging against it Five Guineas for each Man reviewed and approved, together with the Subsistence of the Non-commissioned Officers and private Men, from the Day of their respective Attestations; and if there should be any Balance remaining it is to be considered as a Saving to the Public, to be hereafter disposed of as shall be thought proper.

No more than three Guineas will be allowed to be given to each Recruit.

None are to be inlisted under Five Feet Four Inches, nor under Eighteen Years, or above Thirty.

It is required, that the Regiment shall be actually raised and approved (after being reviewed by a General Officer) within Four Months from Date hereof.

I have represented to His Majesty, that you humbly hope you shall be indulged in recommending the Officers, being such as are well affected to His Majesty, and most likely, by their Interests and Connections, to assist in raising the Corps without Delay; but that you do not desire any Commissions for them until the Regiment shall have been raised and approved.

You will therefore be pleased to send me, for His Majesty's Consideration, a List of such Persons as you propose for Officers; who, if they meet with His Royal Approbation, may be assured that they shall have Commissions as soon as ever the Regiment is completed. And I am to acquaint you, it is His Majesty's intention that the Companies which shall be first raised shall entitle their Captains and Subalterns to Seniority in the Regiment, according to their respective Ranks, and the different Periods at which the said Companies shall be completed.

I am to inform you that in case the Persons approved by the King for the Rank of Major should be of less than Five Years standing in the Army as Captains, they are to pay £300 each for their Commissions; which sums are to be carried in Aid of the Charges brought on the Public for Levy Money, and credited to the General Account.

I am likewise authorized by His Majesty to acquaint you, the Officers will be entitled to Half Pay in case the Regiment shall be reduced after it has been established.

I have the King's Commands to add, that as Orders are given for several other Highland Corps, it is His Majesty's Intention, that their Seniority in the Army shall be determined by the Periods at which they shall be respectively completed.

I have the Honour to be, Sir, etc.
Barrington

Honourable Colonel William Gordon

Like Letter, of same Date, to John Mackenzie, Esquire.

Like Letter, dated the 25th December, 1777, to Colonel James Murray.

Like Letter, dated the 3d of January, 1778, to Colonel Francis McLean.

http://www.americanrevolution.org/britisharmy7c.html
 
Hi Mike,
I haven't really said this to you yet, but your battleground setup is truly superb! It looks SOOOOOOOO real, just like I was driving to Boston! Your AWI setup is probably one of the two best I have ever seen, and the best FL one.
-Sandor
 
Fraxinus, that is an interesting bit that you found. I don't know that it proves a larger company strength, but I think it does shed light on why some of the Highlander units had multiple battalions. Both the 42nd and the 71st Regiments had multiple battaltions for the majority of their time in the colonies. The 42nd had two and the 71st had alternatively two or three. Originally, the 71st had two large battalions, closer to the overall numbers indicated in the letter you posted. However, they lost some companies, which were captured on transports near Boston. Following this, the regiment was reorganized into three battalions.

In reality, the larger company strength (100+ men) might have been a greater liability in the colonies, due to the broken terrain and lack of control for such large formations. It was probably seen as a better tactial decision to have multiple battaltions with a higher number of companies, even if the companies themselves had fewer men each (35-50 range). Given that the vast majority of British units in the AWI utilized a two-rank formation and sometimes open order, command and control would have been much more difficult. Not only would the unit have covered a much wider frontage (two-rank as opposed to three), but the space between individual files would have been greater (open vs closed order).

I think this is borne out by the fact that individual company returns for Highland units are not signifigantly higher than other regiments.

Noah
 

Thanks Ken for the helpful links . . . .

Now that's what I call a "marching line"....very cool Mike...that looks great...

Thanks Michael . . . my marching line is still small compared to some of the ones you have created . . . .

AWSOME mestell , just awsome

Thanks . . . glad you liked it . . .

Fabulous Mike!!! Now that is a battle line. The militia may need a little help. I can only imagine what your photos will look like once FL expands on the AWI line!

Thanks Dan . . . . I am hoping that the next AWI release will provide some more militia including riflemen . . . .

I REALLY Like the shot of these figures at this angle!

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Thanks Scott I liked this angle also . . . . when I get the time I plan to take many more photos of the Company . . . .

Hi Mike,
I haven't really said this to you yet, but your battleground setup is truly superb! It looks SOOOOOOOO real, just like I was driving to Boston! Your AWI setup is probably one of the two best I have ever seen, and the best FL one.-Sandor

Thanks Sandor for the kind words . . . its also very nice to see you active on the forum again . . .

Fraxinus, that is an interesting bit that you found. I don't know that it proves a larger company strength, but I think it does shed light on why some of the Highlander units had multiple battalions. Both the 42nd and the 71st Regiments had multiple battaltions for the majority of their time in the colonies. The 42nd had two and the 71st had alternatively two or three. Originally, the 71st had two large battalions, closer to the overall numbers indicated in the letter you posted. However, they lost some companies, which were captured on transports near Boston. Following this, the regiment was reorganized into three battalions.

In reality, the larger company strength (100+ men) might have been a greater liability in the colonies, due to the broken terrain and lack of control for such large formations. It was probably seen as a better tactial decision to have multiple battaltions with a higher number of companies, even if the companies themselves had fewer men each (35-50 range). Given that the vast majority of British units in the AWI utilized a two-rank formation and sometimes open order, command and control would have been much more difficult. Not only would the unit have covered a much wider frontage (two-rank as opposed to three), but the space between individual files would have been greater (open vs closed order).

I think this is borne out by the fact that individual company returns for Highland units are not signifigantly higher than other regiments.

Noah

I appreciate your input here Noah . . . . I personally like the two-rank formation better than the three-rank formation. The info you have provided makes perfect sense to me . . . . it certainly does make a nice long front . . .
 
Thank you; Dave, Frank, artmabigor, and maple Leaf . . . .

My order of 14 Grenadiers arrived this afternoon at my doorstep. This completes my 5th Foot Grenadier Company. The company has 36 pvts, 2 sgts, 3 officers, and 2 drummers for a total of 43 men. This approximately makes a full AWI combat company. Regulations allowed for 38 pvts, 3 corporals, 2 sgts, 3 officers, and 2 drummers for each British Grenadier company for a total of 48 men. The 5th Foot Grenadiers had 41 men present for Lexington and Concord. Considering all this, I feel very comfortable in stating that I have a full company of Grenadiers. I also have 3 casulaty figures, a mounted Colonel, and 2 flag bearers for a grand total of 49 5th Foot British figures.

The sad thing is that I really won't have time to "play' with my Rev War figures until Saturday or Sunday due to planned committments :( . . . . oh well, gives me something to look forward to . Here are a few quick photos of the company marching forward to attack a group of Colonial militia as only the British could . . . . smartly and disciplined . . .
:) Mike

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Hi Mike ,
Now that is impressive and both beautifully displayed and photographed {bravo}} , and of course the quality of First Legions products speak for themselves . IMO nothing beats formations in mass whether it be French Line or in this case 5th Foot Grenadier Company :wink2: Thanks for sharing with us .. All the best Gebhard
 

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