Baseball 2011 (8 Viewers)

[lancer]

Well, praise be! Th O's won a game for Guthrie. He went 7 innings, 0 ER and got the win.^&grin -- Al

Back to the same old, same old. My man went 8 innings, 0 ER's, and loses 3-2, on an error (his own:rolleyes2 and a gopher ball. Second complete game loss for him this season. Now 2-7 on the season with a 3.24 ERA. Has only walked 11 batters in 75 innings and his WHIP is only 1.11. Are the NYY's watching?:wink2: The AL East continues to entertain as only the O's, at 6 games back in last place, aren't in the daily hunt for 1st place. The Bombers and the Sox are trading position there right now with Tampa right on their butts and Toronto is remaining in the mix at 3 games back. Come on O's, get it in gear! -- Al

 

[Louis Badolato]

San Fransisco loses last year's Rookie of the Year, and their best hitter, catcher Buster Posey, at least for the season, and lets face it, with plates and screws in his ankle, he will probably never be the same.

Am I the only Yankee fan thinking this is the opportunity for a trade we have been waiting for? We have the two best catching prospects in the league, one of whom is ready to play in the bigs right now, and both of whom can hit for average and power. We also have several top pitching prospects, all a year or two away from being ready.

The Giants have four starters who could be number ones or twos. If Cashman has a clue, he should be on the phone with the Giants offering one of our catching prospects and a pitching prospect for one of the Giants top 4 starters. Hell, if we had to, I would say even absorb that ridiculous contract and take their 5th starter Barry Zito (the former Cy Young Award winning A's pitcher who lost it once he signed with the Giants) as well if we had to to get one of their top 2 (Matt Cain, I am sure Tim Linsicum is untouchable).

What do you think the Giants would say to one of the two big catching prospects, either a pitching prospect or the top outfield prospect who tore it up in spring training hitting the ball a ton and #5 starter Ivan Nova for Matt Cain and their overpriced #5 Barry Zito? The Giants would get rid of Zito's horrendous contract, replacing it with a bargain priced Rookie with promise, pick up the good hitting catcher they so desperately need and either another pitching prospect or (more likely) another bat they desperately need, and the Yankees would get Matt Cain, the top of the rotation pitcher we so desperately need to win it all this year and plug Zito in at #5. I think its a match made in heaven, and it could result in the Yankees and the Giants meeting in the World Series. In my opinion if this trade went through, it would be the Yankees vs. Boston in the ALCS and the Giants vs. the Phillies in the NLCS. Both the Red Sox and the Phillies would probably still be favored, but the Yankees and Giants would at least have a chance to win it all, which in my opinion, neither does at this time.

Then the Yankees would just have to replace Posada at DH with a solid bat at the trade deadline, and we would be in business. If Posada had any pride, as terrible as he has been this season (he is batting .169 on June 1st), he would retire.

 

[lancer]

I like those ideas, Louis. I have watched and wondered at Zito's complete collapse since his move to SF. Hasn't has a winning season since the move. Coming back to the AL might rejuvenate Zito. I think he can still pitch, and he is a left-hander. Cain would be an excellent trade. I won't give up the campaign to get Guthrie sent to the Bombers, either.:wink2: The O's might bite on a young "not ready for prime time" pitcher. SF would make a good target for trade though... -- Al

 

[lancer]

The pitching news for the NYY's just keeps getting worse. Just announced that Joba Chamberlain has a torn ligament in the throwing arm and will probably need TJ surgery. All those "Joba Rules" down the drain. Now the pitching is really gonna need help. Starting pitchers only have 32 quality starts for the NYY (8 for CC, the other 24 to the other 4 starters), a not very impressive total (the Wash. Nats have 36), although not out of line in the AL East, but a stat that is sure to wear down a now hurting bullpen. Time for the front office to get off their hands. -- Al

 

[Warrior]

The pitching news for the NYY's just keeps getting worse. Just announced that Joba Chamberlain has a torn ligament in the throwing arm and will probably need TJ surgery. All those "Joba Rules" down the drain. Now the pitching is really gonna need help. Starting pitchers only have 32 quality starts for the NYY (8 for CC, the other 24 to the other 4 starters), a not very impressive total (the Wash. Nats have 36), although not out of line in the AL East, but a stat that is sure to wear down a now hurting bullpen. Time for the front office to get off their hands. -- Al

And Soriano, you know, the guy Cashman did not want to sign has the same problem and he's done for the year as well. There goes your 7th and 8th inning guys, so good luck with that.

So now CC has to go 8 innings every start, then the other four days, it's what, hope for rain? Burnett is now 0-8 vs the Sox in a Yankees uniform, Garcia had two pitches the other night, balls and home runs, good thing you took a flyer on Colon, those stem cell injections/HGH/Roids he shot into his shoulder really did the trick, he looks good for a guy who's been out of baseball for a year and a half, now he looks like Cy Young, or should I say more to the point Roger Clemens....:rolleyes2:

Small market GM's around the league are licking their chops now at all that Yankee talent in the minors that will be up for grabs for set up men to patch together that shambles of a bullpen.

So much for trading your farm system for King Felix now huh Louis, you'll need to trade your farm system for bullpen help now.

Really a shame the Red Sox can't play the Yankees 162 times a year, 8-1 so far this year, including not one but two three game sweeps at the Stadium.

I'm waiting for Hank to blow another gasket over this one.

Oh well, at least Captain Intangibles got a hit last night with no one on base down by six runs, too bad he didn't get one the night before down 8-5 with the bases loaded and one out instead of a taylor made 6-4-3 double play ball.

Only 10 more to 3,000, happy happy joy joy in the Bronx.....................

 

[Louis Badolato]

And Soriano, you know, the guy Cashman did not want to sign has the same problem and he's done for the year as well. There goes your 7th and 8th inning guys, so good luck with that.

So now CC has to go 8 innings every start, then the other four days, it's what, hope for rain? Burnett is now 0-8 vs the Sox in a Yankees uniform, Garcia had two pitches the other night, balls and home runs, good thing you took a flyer on Colon, those stem cell injections/HGH/Roids he shot into his shoulder really did the trick, he looks good for a guy who's been out of baseball for a year and a half, now he looks like Cy Young, or should I say more to the point Roger Clemens....:rolleyes2:

Small market GM's around the league are licking their chops now at all that Yankee talent in the minors that will be up for grabs for set up men to patch together that shambles of a bullpen.

So much for trading your farm system for King Felix now huh Louis, you'll need to trade your farm system for bullpen help now.

Really a shame the Red Sox can't play the Yankees 162 times a year, 8-1 so far this year, including not one but two three game sweeps at the Stadium.

I'm waiting for Hank to blow another gasket over this one.

Oh well, at least Captain Intangibles got a hit last night with no one on base down by six runs, too bad he didn't get one the night before down 8-5 with the bases loaded and one out instead of a taylor made 6-4-3 double play ball.

Only 10 more to 3,000, happy happy joy joy in the Bronx.....................

Now George, how many times have I told you and Red Sox nation not to gloat in June . . . the last time you were 8-1 against the Yankees to start a season was 2009 - and you might remember what happened that time.

The Yankees are in bad shape, but have plenty of fireballing starters at Triple A who can be brought up to fill in bullpen roles (a la Joba a few years ago). The real Yankee problem is the starting pitching, and, as I've said, with the injury to their young catcher, and the catching prospects in the Yankee system, the Giants and the Yankees need to do some business.

Oh, and please, don't talk to me about steroids. If there is any team who benefitted more from steroids than the Yankees [I would also mention the Giants with Bonds, but they never won it all with him], its the Red Sox (have you forgotten those two World Series you guys won behind Manny [4 positive tests] and Big Poppi [also tested positive]?).

 

[Warrior]

Now George, how many times have I told you and Red Sox nation not to gloat in June . . . the last time you were 8-1 against the Yankees to start a season was 2009 - and you might remember what happened that time.

The Yankees are in bad shape, but have plenty of fireballing starters at Triple A who can be brought up to fill in bullpen roles (a la Joba a few years ago). The real Yankee problem is the starting pitching, and, as I've said, with the injury to their young catcher, and the catching prospects in the Yankee system, the Giants and the Yankees need to do some business.

Oh, and please, don't talk to me about steroids. If there is any team who benefitted more from steroids than the Yankees [I would also mention the Giants with Bonds, but they never won it all with him], its the Red Sox (have you forgotten those two World Series you guys won behind Manny [4 positive tests] and Big Poppi [also tested positive]?).

Yep, remember that year, 8-1 became 9-9.

These are not those Yankees in any way, shape or form.

Arod is off the roids now, Jeter is on the back nine, Cano doesn't look the same and your starting pitching and bullpen are a complete mess.

Not a single Yankee starter hitting over 300.

So not even close.

The Yankees ruined Joba, he was a superstar in the making when he came up, they ruined the kid, starter, closer, set up man, what is he?

He's now done for the year.

Just like the Red Sox ruined Dice K; he's also having the same surgery, they ruined the guy, should have just left him alone and let him prepare for his starts the way he wanted to.

As far as World Series winning teams benefiting from steriods the past ten years as an example; they all did, the Cardinals with Pujols, the Yankees with Arod, the Red Sox two with Manny and Ortiz, the White Sox with Ordoniez, Konerco and others, the Phillies with Howard, the Giants, Angels and Marlins looked clean to me.

If you look at Colon and tell me there's not someting fishy going on there, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale if your interested.......

 

[lancer]

It would seem to me to be time for major league teams to start requiring that up and coming pitchers have TJ surgery as a requirement to get promoted to the majors. Have it done at 17 or 18 years of age, and have the year or year and a half recovery time before getting to the majors. With the proliferation of TJ surgeries, it should be obvious that pampering the pitchers with pitch counts and inning restrictions just isn't working. Time to go old school and teach them how to pitch nine innings again. Now excuse me, I have to go get TJ surgery for me because of all this typing. :rolleyes2: -- Al

 

[Warrior]

It would seem to me to be time for major league teams to start requiring that up and coming pitchers have TJ surgery as a requirement to get promoted to the majors. Have it done at 17 or 18 years of age, and have the year or year and a half recovery time before getting to the majors. With the proliferation of TJ surgeries, it should be obvious that pampering the pitchers with pitch counts and inning restrictions just isn't working. Time to go old school and teach them how to pitch nine innings again. Now excuse me, I have to go get TJ surgery for me because of all this typing. :rolleyes2: -- Al

Couldn't agree more Al, this whole pitch count/set up men/lefty specialist/8th inning guy/closer stuff is crazy...........the Yankees ruined Joba and the Red Sox ruined Dice K with this nonsense, enough is enough..........

 

[Peter Reuss]

. Now excuse me, I have to go get TJ surgery for me because of all this typing. :rolleyes2: -- Al

On this Forum, it's not Tommy John surgery...it's Rob Wilson surgery! {sm4}

I don't know that Tommy typed quite as much as Rob does!

 

[jazzeum]

Really a shame the Red Sox can't play the Yankees 162 times a year, 8-1 so far this year, including not one but two three game sweeps at the Stadium.

Now George, how many times have I told you and Red Sox nation not to gloat in June . . . the last time you were 8-1 against the Yankees to start a season was 2009 - and you might remember what happened that time.

The more things change......:wink2:

 

[maddadicus]

Not bad after a 2-10 start, they're 27-12 since............

Not bad after a 1-8 start with the Red Sox, they're 33-19 since....and only 1 game in the loss column.. Full disclosure after the RS bad start, they are 35-16.....All the years I have been a Yankee fan, I have never gloated to the point of possibly being embarrassed later..I will mostly go into defend mode against unfair whacks at us, but if we stink, I will say so, but as inconsistent as this Yankee team is, it would be foolish to dismiss them. Michael

 

[lancer]

Couldn't agree more Al, this whole pitch count/set up men/lefty specialist/8th inning guy/closer stuff is crazy...........the Yankees ruined Joba and the Red Sox ruined Dice K with this nonsense, enough is enough..........

George, nothing drives me crazier than to be enjoying a game and have it come to a grinding halt as the manager decides to use 4 pitchers in one inning because of match-ups. A good pitcher can get anyone out, right or left handed. If I was the Baseball Rule God, I would make it a rule that no more than 2 pitchers could be used in any one inning. To heck with that match-up crap. If a manager/pitcher is scared of a match-up as it comes, then walk him and go at the next batter. Endless pitching changes make the remote control finger itchy.:wink2: -- Al

 

[Warrior]

The more things change......:wink2:

I guess you missed the whole down 0-3 in the 2004 ALCS with the greatest closer of all time on the mound in the 9th inning of game 4 and three outs to go to clinch another trip to the World Series before the biggest meltdown of all time...............

 

[Warrior]

.All the years I have been a Yankee fan, I have never gloated

So you're the guy then huh?

A rare bird indeed; a Yankee fan who's never gloated.

No "1918", "86 years since your last WS win", "1978/Bucky Dent", "TWENTY SEVEN World Series titles, how many do you'se have" from you then huh?

A rare bird indeed.

 

[Warrior]

George, nothing drives me crazier than to be enjoying a game and have it come to a grinding halt as the manager decides to use 4 pitchers in one inning because of match-ups. A good pitcher can get anyone out, right or left handed. If I was the Baseball Rule God, I would make it a rule that no more than 2 pitchers could be used in any one inning. To heck with that match-up crap. If a manager/pitcher is scared of a match-up as it comes, then walk him and go at the next batter. Endless pitching changes make the remote control finger itchy.:wink2: -- Al

Al, what about the whole "lefty specialist" role; essentially, you're paying a guy to pitch to one batter a game, how idiotic is that?

So some chump left handed pitcher gets to hang around till he's 50 as a result, what a joke..................

 

[lancer]

Al, what about the whole "lefty specialist" role; essentially, you're paying a guy to pitch to one batter a game, how idiotic is that?

So some chump left handed pitcher gets to hang around till he's 50 as a result, what a joke..................

Excellent point. Some years back there was a lefty reliever (can't remember name or don't want to:rolleyes2 who bounced from team to team and from drug suspension to drug suspension but managed to stay in baseball because of his lefty specialty. He was a joke on baseball and the rules. Tough to justify a taking up a whole team spot for a 1 out (if he's lucky) pitcher. Get a knuckle baller, NOBODY can hit them.:wink2:^&grin -- Al

 

[Warrior]

Excellent point. Some years back there was a lefty reliever (can't remember name or don't want to:rolleyes2 who bounced from team to team and from drug suspension to drug suspension but managed to stay in baseball because of his lefty specialty. He was a joke on baseball and the rules. Tough to justify a taking up a whole team spot for a 1 out (if he's lucky) pitcher. Get a knuckle baller, NOBODY can hit them.:wink2:^&grin -- Al

Al,
Maybe Jesse Orosco, didn't he pitch for 900 teams and into his 70's.

He was on the mound in the 9th inning of game 7 of the 1986 World Series for the final out, he struck out Marty Barrett, flung his glove two miles up in the air, collapsed to the ground as the Mets won over the Red Sox, yet another monumental loss in Red Sox history...................wonderful.

 

[jazzeum]

It wasn't Jessee, please.

I think it was Neil Allen.

 

[lancer]

It wasn't Orrosco or Allen. This man pitched for a load of teams, the Dodgers and NYY's chief amongst them. Was well known for drug abuse and all the second chances baseball kept giving him simply because he was left-handed. It's been awhile since this happened. I'll have to try to look him up. -- Al