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Panzer ace said:
And now after all that they might be on the verge of signing Max Scherzer???????????????????
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Rumor has it, but this has come out of nowhere as the Nats have repeatedly said they wouldn't be bidding on Scherzer. Beats me whats up. If they sign Scherzer, Zimmermann is history, They can't afford both. I would assume Desmond is gone in the same scenario. The Nats are over tinkering. They should sign Zimm and Desmond and be done with it. It makes no sense to me to sign Scherzer to a long contract when Zimm is already here and can probably be had for equal or lesser money. Well, it ain't my team. :mad: -- Al
 
lancer said:
Rumor has it, but this has come out of nowhere as the Nats have repeatedly said they wouldn't be bidding on Scherzer. Beats me whats up. If they sign Scherzer, Zimmermann is history, They can't afford both. I would assume Desmond is gone in the same scenario. The Nats are over tinkering. They should sign Zimm and Desmond and be done with it. It makes no sense to me to sign Scherzer to a long contract when Zimm is already here and can probably be had for equal or lesser money. Well, it ain't my team. :mad: -- Al
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The moves just don't add up.
 
Panzer ace said:
The moves just don't add up.
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Not to me, anyway. I'm not having a good off-season. First, the O's dump my favorite O's player, Markakis. Now the Nats are on the verge of dumping my favorite Nats player, Jordan Zimmermann, on the heels of dumping my second favorite player, Tyler Clippard. I think I'll go outside and howl at the moon.:rolleyes2: -- Al
 
lancer said:
Not to me, anyway. I'm not having a good off-season. First, the O's dump my favorite O's player, Markakis. Now the Nats are on the verge of dumping my favorite Nats player, Jordan Zimmermann, on the heels of dumping my second favorite player, Tyler Clippard. I think I'll go outside and howl at the moon.:rolleyes2: -- Al
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Al-

Hang in there, this time last year I never thought the Giants would win the Series.

-Jason
 
lancer said:
Rumor has it, but this has come out of nowhere as the Nats have repeatedly said they wouldn't be bidding on Scherzer. Beats me whats up. If they sign Scherzer, Zimmermann is history, They can't afford both. I would assume Desmond is gone in the same scenario. The Nats are over tinkering. They should sign Zimm and Desmond and be done with it. It makes no sense to me to sign Scherzer to a long contract when Zimm is already here and can probably be had for equal or lesser money. Well, it ain't my team. :mad: -- Al
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ESPN and The Washington Post reporting this as a done deal this AM. Apparently it is for 7 years with money not public yet but somewhere in the $160 million+ range. Scherzer is obviously a major acquisition for the Nats and improves what already was a top-flight rotation. Everyone in the DC area is now going to be screaming World Series from now to October. I really hope the Nats can hold onto Zimm and Desmond. Put Scherzer into a rotation of Zimmermann, Fister, Strasburg , Gonzalez, and Roark and someone is going to be left out and possibly bull-pen bound. Since Zimm goes FA in 2016, I expect he remains highly vulnerable to trade prior to the 2015 season. I hope this all works out as super-rotations are hard to keep together due to injury, down years, etc. I like the possibilities here. Scherzer is one of the 2 or 3 top pitchers in baseball so I welcome him. Just hope it doesn't cost us Zimmermann, but I am pessimistic. Welcome to DC, Max. -- Al
 
As it stands at this moment, the Nats starting rotation would be Scherzer (18-5, 3.15), Fister (16-6, 2.41), Zimmermann (14-5, 2.66), Roark (15-10, 2.85), Strasburg (14-11, 3.14), Gonzalez (10-10, 3.57). Records are all from 2014. Zimmermann's 14 wins are deceiving. With an extra run of support in the right place, he could have been an 18 to 20 game winner with only 2 losses. The bullpen alone blew 3 games he left with good leads. This is a rotation without weakness, even though I don't expect it to stay intact until Opening Day. Someone has to go, either through trade or move to the bullpen. -- Al
 
Good lord, the Lerner's have lost their minds. ESPN reporting that the Scherzer deal is 7 years for $210 million! I figured it would be $165 millionish. Good googeley moogeley, that is a LOT of money for a guy joining an already good rotation. I can only assume that Ted Lerner, who is 89, figures his window of opportunity to see his team make the WS is running short. How do the Nats now expect to sign anyone else, ever? Lost their minds. -- Al
 
lancer said:
Good lord, the Lerner's have lost their minds. ESPN reporting that the Scherzer deal is 7 years for $210 million! I figured it would be $165 millionish. Good googeley moogeley, that is a LOT of money for a guy joining an already good rotation. I can only assume that Ted Lerner, who is 89, figures his window of opportunity to see his team make the WS is running short. How do the Nats now expect to sign anyone else, ever? Lost their minds. -- Al
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Al:

That is Kershaw type money. And while I think Scherzer is good I don't think he is in the same league as Kershaw (begrudgingly, I have to admit that no one is).

But good for the Nats. It is a huge signing and clearly the biggest free agent acquisition out there. I hope they do get that World Series. Dedicated fans lie yourself deserve it.

-Jason
 
Panzer ace said:
Al:

That is Kershaw type money. And while I think Scherzer is good I don't think he is in the same league as Kershaw (begrudgingly, I have to admit that no one is).

But good for the Nats. It is a huge signing and clearly the biggest free agent acquisition out there. I hope they do get that World Series. Dedicated fans lie yourself deserve it.

-Jason
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Thanks for the good wishes, Jason. Been listening to the baseball pundits all day. The Scherzer contract apparently has half the money differed. He will get $15 million a year for 14 years. Sounds insane, but it gives the Nats wiggle room with the salaries. Word is now that Zimmermann and Desmond may remain in place, extension or no, in order to take the all or nothing shot at the WS in 2015. Nats would then worry about them as FA's afterwards. I just don't see how the Nats have a realistic shot at Zimm after handing that kind of money to Scherzer. Zimm has to see himself as worth at least half what Scherzer is, and probably a good deal more than half. Anyway, all the pundits have now awarded 'best pitching staff' title to the Nats with the WS thrown in. We'll see how that goes as we all know about the best laid plans... -- Al
 
Anyone else remember when a ballplayer being paid $100K a year was thought to be making big money?{eek3}:rolleyes2: -- Al
 
Jason, I have a trade offer for you. Get your Giants to send us Joe Panik so we can fill our hole at 2nd base and the Nats will send the Giants Stephen Strasburg to pair up with MadBum. Whadda ya think? Sounds good to me.:wink2:^&grin -- Al
 
lancer said:
Jason, I have a trade offer for you. Get your Giants to send us Joe Panik so we can fill our hole at 2nd base and the Nats will send the Giants Stephen Strasburg to pair up with MadBum. Whadda ya think? Sounds good to me.:wink2:^&grin -- Al
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Al:

I would do that in a heartbeat! It would be a win, win for both teams. The Nats have the need at second with pitching to spare and the Giants have some good young infield talent in its farm system and a hole in the rotation with Lincecum's continued downward spiral.

-Jason
 
Panzer ace said:
Al:

I would do that in a heartbeat! It would be a win, win for both teams. The Nats have the need at second with pitching to spare and the Giants have some good young infield talent in its farm system and a hole in the rotation with Lincecum's continued downward spiral.

-Jason
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Not at all sure that the Nats can keep all the pitchers we have. Zimm will command BIG money, as will Fister, and Strasburg. The bank has only so much money and Scherzer just got a huge hunk of it. We're going to have to move someone and I'd rather it be Strasburg than Zimm. I still don't understand the Clippard trade for a light hitting infielder. We already have a couple of those and Clippard was lights out in a bullpen that now has a hole, at least until spring training reveals a replacement. Nats have a wealth of arms but Clippard was proven money. I'll call Mark Lerner (Nats secondary owner, behind daddy, and former schoolmate of mine back in high school) and get him working on the trade.:rolleyes2: I should have stayed in contact with the rich SoB.{sm3} -- Al
 
lancer said:
Not at all sure that the Nats can keep all the pitchers we have. Zimm will command BIG money, as will Fister, and Strasburg. The bank has only so much money and Scherzer just got a huge hunk of it. We're going to have to move someone and I'd rather it be Strasburg than Zimm. I still don't understand the Clippard trade for a light hitting infielder. We already have a couple of those and Clippard was lights out in a bullpen that now has a hole, at least until spring training reveals a replacement. Nats have a wealth of arms but Clippard was proven money. I'll call Mark Lerner (Nats secondary owner, behind daddy, and former schoolmate of mine back in high school) and get him working on the trade.:rolleyes2: I should have stayed in contact with the rich SoB.{sm3} -- Al
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Al:

My contacts are a little thin with the Giants. I know a few guys in the A's front office, maybe they can pull a few strings?

-Jason
 
Panzer ace said:
Al:

My contacts are a little thin with the Giants. I know a few guys in the A's front office, maybe they can pull a few strings?

-Jason
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Maybe one of them thar 3-way trade thingies. Nats and Billy Beane are well aquainted as they have traded several times in the last few years. That's where we got Gio Gonzalez from a while back and where we just sent Clippard for Escobar. Maybe you can talk Oakland into cancelling the Clippard trade.:rolleyes2: Yeah, that's the ticket.:wink2: Then we can get to work on Strasburg/Panik. -- Al
 
lancer said:
Maybe one of them thar 3-way trade thingies. Nats and Billy Beane are well aquainted as they have traded several times in the last few years. That's where we got Gio Gonzalez from a while back and where we just sent Clippard for Escobar. Maybe you can talk Oakland into cancelling the Clippard trade.:rolleyes2: Yeah, that's the ticket.:wink2: Then we can get to work on Strasburg/Panik. -- Al
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I like that plan. Then the Giants and Nats cam meet in the National League Championship Series.
 
Anyone have an opinion on the new commish's (Manfred) idea to eliminate defensive shifts? Personally, I hate defensive shifts and I wouldn't mind seeing them eliminated or at least restricted to one guy being moved. I don't see it happening but it would kind of even the playing field again for those players that it is used against. -- Al
 
lancer said:
Anyone have an opinion on the new commish's (Manfred) idea to eliminate defensive shifts? Personally, I hate defensive shifts and I wouldn't mind seeing them eliminated or at least restricted to one guy being moved. I don't see it happening but it would kind of even the playing field again for those players that it is used against. -- Al
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Not sure I like the idea of any rule change that might effect legitimate strategy. It is up to the opposing managers/players to break the shift such as bunting or going opposite field. Michael
 
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