BB031 German King Tiger, 3rd Company, LSSAH Division! (3 Viewers)

[Warrior]

Oh, I've reviewed the engineering data, and it would take 118 FL KT's stacked on top of one another to break through a standard glass shelf which is more than were actually made. So since you won't be buying even a single one you should be ok.

This murders me, well done...………..:salute::

 

[Warrior]

Actually with the latest release probably 200 have been made. 2#X200=400# few glass shelves will survive that weight.

This murders me even more...…………..not sure if I want to laugh or cry......:redface2:

 

[ccdc11]

This is just another scale fight.

 

[jazzeum]

This is just another scale fight.

No, it’s just Katana doing his “thing” :rolleyes2:

 

[katana]

I think photo comparisons between a real KT and the FL model will be more convincing than words. The first photo shows the correct position of the turret Mg port. Note the appearance of the Mg and Gun sight ports; they are black. The second photo shows the correct position of the idler relative to the road wheels. Note the correct colors of the camouflage pattern.

The three following photos of the FL KT model are a front view showing the white reflection from the un-blackened interior of the MG and Gun Sight ports. The interior of the muzzle brake is also un-blackened. Note the position of the MG port and compare it to the photo of the actual KT. The next photo is a side view of the FL KT model showing the incorrect position of the Idler relative to the Road Wheels. The third photo is a top view of the rear deck of the FL KT model. Note that the air intakes are pristine; when they should be black. A competent modeler could easily correct the oversight of failing to black the MG and Gun Sight ports, the muzzle brake interior and the air intake screens. The positional errors of the Idler and MG port are less easily corrected.

The point is that in a high end model, advertised as being the best ever made; should not have these problems IMO. I have KT models from other Toy Soldier model manufacturers that do not have these problems. To resolve problems you must first acknowledge that they exist!

I hope everyone is happy with their new FL KT. I would not take one as a gift, as I have more accurate models in my collection.

 

[ccdc11]

I can't help this one, but while reading this I keep having the Monty Python witch scene in my head.
Just a FL KT on one side and a duck on the the other side of the big scale.
Man if I could photo shop

 

[Alexander the Great]

Not sure how to approach this issue:

Obviously Katana is very technical, like a modeler who is interested in getting every detail (small or large) right. He takes the model/figure/tank and analyzes and compares to the real thing.
I on the other hand, having been a modeler for many years, I have made a conscious decision to enjoy the hobby of collecting toy soldiers and not "waist" my time counting rivets and shades of color.
There is no right or wrong approach, some people take one, some people the other.

The folks like me who purchased the FL King Tiger are very happy as evident by numerous posts in this forum, why are we happy? because the positives of the model outnumber the negatives (or we don't care about the negatives).
Does Katana have the right to express his opinion? absolutely...and so does First Legion.

I think Katana is attempting to educate folks by sharing information, perhaps too much information but information nonetheless.
Some people appreciate it and some not. I appreciate it but I can also see how it can be annoying for some.

At the end of the day is all about individual approach: if you like it buy it of not then do not.

 

[Panzer ace]

Oh and what dealer was that Katana? Didn’t realize any of them had one left to measure....

Sierra still has mine. I saw it on Saturday but I am waiting to have them ship it as it is going to our home in Texas and I will not be there until the 8th.

 

[Rutledge]

I think photo comparisons between a real KT and the FL model will be more convincing than words. The first photo shows the correct position of the turret Mg port. Note the appearance of the Mg and Gun sight ports; they are black. The second photo shows the correct position of the idler relative to the road wheels. Note the correct colors of the camouflage pattern.

The three following photos of the FL KT model are a front view showing the white reflection from the un-blackened interior of the MG and Gun Sight ports. The interior of the muzzle brake is also un-blackened. Note the position of the MG port and compare it to the photo of the actual KT. The next photo is a side view of the FL KT model showing the incorrect position of the Idler relative to the Road Wheels. The third photo is a top view of the rear deck of the FL KT model. Note that the air intakes are pristine; when they should be black. A competent modeler could easily correct the oversight of failing to black the MG and Gun Sight ports, the muzzle brake interior and the air intake screens. The positional errors of the Idler and MG port are less easily corrected.

The point is that in a high end model, advertised as being the best ever made; should not have these problems IMO. I have KT models from other Toy Soldier model manufacturers that do not have these problems. To resolve problems you must first acknowledge that they exist!

I hope everyone is happy with their new FL KT. I would not take one as a gift, as I have more accurate models in my collection.

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Sadly, I must surmise this fella suffers from some form of autism. No other person, in a world of about 7.5 billion, cares about this level of minutiae on a model tank. Not to mention the tank itself has been out of production for over 70 years and today exists only in museums and in pictures. It’s really quite remarkable to get worked up over the difference between 9 and 10 o’clock positioning of a (fake) mg port.
Methinks some outdoor and or social activities would serve a person better than studying the most extreme details of a dead tank.

 

[TomNT]

My take on this is that Kat is over the top with his criticism of the FL KT and can be tiresome with his repetitive posts on paint colours etc. I get what he is saying though and I can see a few errors with this model. As I have said before, this is an excellent tank but I would expect perfection for the high price you pay for it. If you blokes want to rubbish Katana then go ahead, but I think some of the remarks are a little childish and over the top.

Tom

 

[joesgis]

This murders me even more...…………..not sure if I want to laugh or cry......:redface2:

I know George, that's the scary part! I'm stuck in the middle too, but in silent movies laughing and crying do look the same. lol

Joe

 

[Warrior]

Sadly, I must surmise this fella suffers from some form of autism. No other person, in a world of about 7.5 billion, cares about this level of minutiae on a model tank. Not to mention the tank itself has been out of production for over 70 years and today exists only in museums and in pictures. It’s really quite remarkable to get worked up over the difference between 9 and 10 o’clock positioning of a (fake) mg port.
Methinks some outdoor and or social activities would serve a person better than studying the most extreme details of a dead tank.

When someone sees an item, likes it and wants to purchase it, they do so.

When someone sees an item, likes it and wants to purchase it, but either a.) Can't afford it, or b.) Can't justify the price tag, they go over it with a fine tooth comb, looking for flaws/issues/reasons NOT to buy it so that at the end of the day, they can walk away and say "It's nice, but it's got too many flaws, so I'll pass"...or should I say "perceived flaws"………….that's great, whatever helps you sleep at night.

I mean no disrespect, but how many times are we going to hear about the shade of green, the exhaust vents or whatever, the machine gun port?

Continually bringing it up is not going to change a thing and please for the love of God, spare me with the "Manufacturers need to know the issues with their tanks"...………….not if the issue is not an actual issue they don't.

If the vast majority of collectors felt the way you do, the tank would not have sold out in three days; that speaks volumes.

When I was a kid, I worked two Summers at my late Uncles Chevrolet dealership.

Can't tell you how many fellas came in looking to buy a corvette or a Z28 and drove out in a stripped down camaro (or worse)……

 

[Warrior]

Sierra still has mine. I saw it on Saturday but I am waiting to have them ship it as it is going to our home in Texas and I will not be there until the 8th.

Great; so all of this is your fault.

Good to know.

 

[jazzeum]

Sierra still has mine. I saw it on Saturday but I am waiting to have them ship it as it is going to our home in Texas and I will not be there until the 8th.

Do us a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge favor Jason and send him yours. Oh, wait, I forgot he said he wouldn't accept one as a gift. You're safe, then. We, on the other hand...…….

 

[jazzeum]

When someone sees an item, likes it and wants to purchase it, they do so.

When someone sees an item, likes it and wants to purchase it, but either a.) Can't afford it, or b.) Can't justify the price tag, they go over it with a fine tooth comb, looking for flaws/issues/reasons NOT to buy it so that at the end of the day, they can walk away and say "It's nice, but it's got too many flaws, so I'll pass"...or should I say "perceived flaws"………….that's great, whatever helps you sleep at night.

I mean no disrespect, but how many times are we going to hear about the shade of green, the exhaust vents or whatever, the machine gun port?

Continually bringing it up is not going to change a thing and please for the love of God, spare me with the "Manufacturers need to know the issues with their tanks"...………….not if the issue is not an actual issue they don't.

If the vast majority of collectors felt the way you do, the tank would not have sold out in three days; that speaks volumes.

When I was a kid, I worked two Summers at my late Uncles Chevrolet dealership.

Can't tell you how many fellas came in looking to buy a corvette or a Z28 and drove out in a stripped down camaro (or worse)……

Your mistake, George, is you're being logical whereas we know some people aren't.

 

[katana]

George I generally agree with your car buyer psychology argument. My problem is different. I was looking forward to buying the FL KT since the Figarti KT didn't happen. I was very disappointed when I first saw the colors and I hoped that it was a photography issue with the lighting; which can happen sometimes. Than the Idler problem was pointed out and I decided to look it over very carefully only to discover other issues. I than decided to pass on it and hope that a better example comes along without the issues; either from FL or perhaps JJD.

I am patient and willing to wait for the right KT model. I have said as much as I intend to say about the FL KT. I told Matt on another thread that I respect FL and that my criticism is not intended to be personnel; just technical.

I understand the technical defects are of no concern to some collectors; to each his own. The sarcastic comments are another matter and I just consider the source; their vocabulary is obviously to limited to refute valid observations!

When someone sees an item, likes it and wants to purchase it, they do so.

When someone sees an item, likes it and wants to purchase it, but either a.) Can't afford it, or b.) Can't justify the price tag, they go over it with a fine tooth comb, looking for flaws/issues/reasons NOT to buy it so that at the end of the day, they can walk away and say "It's nice, but it's got too many flaws, so I'll pass"...or should I say "perceived flaws"………….that's great, whatever helps you sleep at night.

I mean no disrespect, but how many times are we going to hear about the shade of green, the exhaust vents or whatever, the machine gun port?

Continually bringing it up is not going to change a thing and please for the love of God, spare me with the "Manufacturers need to know the issues with their tanks"...………….not if the issue is not an actual issue they don't.

If the vast majority of collectors felt the way you do, the tank would not have sold out in three days; that speaks volumes.

When I was a kid, I worked two Summers at my late Uncles Chevrolet dealership.

Can't tell you how many fellas came in looking to buy a corvette or a Z28 and drove out in a stripped down camaro (or worse)……

 

[Rutledge]

George...l

I understand the technical defects are of no concern to some collectors; to each his own. The sarcastic comments are another matter and I just consider the source; their vocabulary is obviously to limited to refute valid observations!

Hmmm. Did you mean to write “...their vocabulary is obviously TOO limited to refute..”?

I think ya did. De nada.

 

[Dragoon]

OMG!...Much to my horror I found that my JJD Jagdpanther's air intakes are also pristine. Not a speck of black to be seen. - The contagion is spreading.

 

[bradleyl30]

Not sure how to approach this issue:

Obviously Katana is very technical, like a modeler who is interested in getting every detail (small or large) right. He takes the model/figure/tank and analyzes and compares to the real thing.
I on the other hand, having been a modeler for many years, I have made a conscious decision to enjoy the hobby of collecting toy soldiers and not "waist" my time counting rivets and shades of color.
There is no right or wrong approach, some people take one, some people the other.

The folks like me who purchased the FL King Tiger are very happy as evident by numerous posts in this forum, why are we happy? because the positives of the model outnumber the negatives (or we don't care about the negatives).
Does Katana have the right to express his opinion? absolutely...and so does First Legion.

I think Katana is attempting to educate folks by sharing information, perhaps too much information but information nonetheless.
Some people appreciate it and some not. I appreciate it but I can also see how it can be annoying for some.

At the end of the day is all about individual approach: if you like it buy it of not then do not.

Overall I agree with your comments. The issue many of us have with Katana is that he often states his opinion as fact, has dubious facts or states outlandish ideas and comparisons as facts. On top of that, constantly does it in FL threads that many of us wish to enjoy rather than his non stop flood of conjecture.

Having added him to my ignore list has really improved my enjoyment of the hobby.

 

[katana]

The JJD Jagdpanther was pristine, as if it had just left the factory; thus no air through the intakes to build up a layer of grime. Some collectors prefer their Panzers pristine. I do; so I can weather it to my taste.

OMG!...Much to my horror I found that my JJD Jagdpanther's air intakes are also pristine. Not a speck of black to be seen. - The contagion is spreading.