Can Figarti sell 100 JS-2 tanks? (1 Viewer)

[damian]

it's past history

I was under the impression that it had not actually physically arrived Stateside yet.

 

[jazzeum]

It hasn't. Maybe another couple of weeks. Hopefully sooner.

 

[jazzeum]

I don't think Figarti said anything about a JS2. Why are people assuming there will be one?

Terry

I think it's just a hypothetical suggestion.

 

[Blowtorch]

It hasn't. Maybe another couple of weeks. Hopefully sooner.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that the 88 & Firelfy won't hit the shelves...they are all spoken for & pre-ordered

 

[Blowtorch]

Well much as i loathe the idea i'm a 'Hitlerite' because i collect D Day,Bulge,NA etc,
Rob

Hitlerite was a Soviet term for the invaders. Another was 'Fascist Beasts'

 

[jazzeum]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that the 88 & Firelfy won't hit the shelves...they are all spoken for & pre-ordered

Yes, but not delivered so until that happens, I wouldn't consider it past history.

 

[Rob]

Hitlerite was a Soviet term for the invaders. Another was 'Fascist Beasts'

Yeah i know,i was kidding.

Rob

 

[nasirkasmani]

Hitlerite was a Soviet term for the invaders. Another was 'Fascist Beasts'

brought a wry smile to me.
i felt Stalin's propaganda team should have done a lot better than the term "Hitlerite".
after all, we don't hear the russians being called "stalinist" or "stalinas".

anyway, the most important thing is that berlin fell, not moscow.

 

[Blowtorch]

brought a wry smile to me.
i felt Stalin's propaganda team should have done a lot better than the term "Hitlerite".
after all, we don't hear the russians being called "stalinist" or "stalinas".

That's a very thought provoking question. The Nazi term for the Russians was 'subhumans' & I often wonder why Stalin didn't empty East Germany as Hitler had intended for European Russia. The only answer I can come up with is that the USSR was so tapped out, he couldn't have even if he had wanted to.

Now you REALLY got me thinking...actually I think the U.S. came the closest to 'soft' genocide in occupied Germany by initially following the Morgenthau Plan.

 

[Blowtorch]

IAlso, it is rumoured that K&C are making a JS tank as well. People may wait and compare?

I pretty sure that K&C/Andy posted 'no new Russian armour' quite clearly in a recent thread

 

[nasirkasmani]

I often wonder why Stalin didn't empty East Germany as Hitler had intended for European Russia. The only answer I can come up with is that the USSR was so tapped out, he couldn't have even if he had wanted to.

that's a good point.

i agree with your assessment, though victorious, his resources were too exhausted for any new 'projects'.

whilst he certainly did not, he did have no intention whatsoever of returning the 'freed' eastern europe, especially eastern poland.

so much so, Churchill felt that the best he could do would be to compensate Poland for the loss with part of eastern Germany.

at the Potsdam conference in the summer of 1945, Great Britain, the United States, and the USSR agreed to new postwar borders for Poland as outlined by Churchill. The Polish people had no say in the matter.

 

[nasirkasmani]

actually I think the U.S. came the closest to 'soft' genocide in occupied Germany by initially following the Morgenthau Plan.

i agree.

fortunately, it fell thru.

it would have meant an unneccesary disaster for rehabilitating post-war germany.

 

[nasirkasmani]

back to figarti,

whilst i would certainly like to see a JS-2, hopefully AFTER they produce the ol' classic - T34.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

I pretty sure that K&C/Andy posted 'no new Russian armour' quite clearly in a recent thread

Yes he did, several times. But things can change and apparently they may have.

Terry

 

[fmethorst]

That's a very thought provoking question. The Nazi term for the Russians was 'subhumans' & I often wonder why Stalin didn't empty East Germany as Hitler had intended for European Russia. The only answer I can come up with is that the USSR was so tapped out, he couldn't have even if he had wanted to.

Now you REALLY got me thinking...actually I think the U.S. came the closest to 'soft' genocide in occupied Germany by initially following the Morgenthau Plan.

Actually in eastern Europe after the war 16.5 million Germans were driven from their homes in the largest ethnic cleansing operation in European history in which 700 years of German culture east of the Oder river was erased. More German civilians died as part of the ethnic explusions in the decade after the war than in the war itself. An estimated 2.2 million lost their lives in the population shift.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

I pretty sure that K&C/Andy posted 'no new Russian armour' quite clearly in a recent thread

Yes he did, several times. But things can change and apparently they may have.

Terry

Or not yet as is the most likely case. Guess we will have to enjoy just Italians.

Terry

 

[Blowtorch]

Actually in eastern Europe after the war 16.5 million Germans were driven from their homes in the largest ethnic cleansing operation in European history in which 700 years of German culture east of the Oder river was erased. More German civilians died as part of the ethnic explusions in the decade after the war than in the war itself. An estimated 2.2 million lost their lives in the population shift.

Sure, but that was in the context of war & and advancing angry armies. AND the U.S. sanctioned all that at Yalta too.

The Morganthau Plan was conceived behind a desk by a guy thounsands of miles away from the nearest bomb explosion and implemented with the stroke of a pen by a president who didn't care a lick.

 

[Blowtorch]

Or not yet as is the most likely case. Guess we will have to enjoy just Italians.

Terry

Not exactly on my 'A' list

 

[jazzeum]

For centuries, various ethnic groups had lived in an uneasy peace with other ethnic group along and around what was generally called the pale of settlement in Eastern Europe. One of the problems was that these groups lived in very close proximity to each other, with bands of population sneaking through the different communities, not really distinct and separate geographical areas but all intertwined. It was like a cauldron, with just a spark needed to set things off. The Germans, probably unintentionally, set off that spark and the results, both during the war and after, were consequences that I don't think anybody could have foreseen. If you want to get a glimpse of what it was like before and during WW II, I recommend Niall Ferguson's War of the World. It makes for some horrific reading, the enmity just existing below the surface among these various ethnic groups, people who had lived among each other peacably for generations.

 

[Blowtorch]

I recommend Niall Ferguson's War of the World. It makes for some horrific reading, the enmity just existing below the surface among these various ethnic groups, people who had lived among each other peacably for generations.

Read it. Truly disturbing.

Another glimpse into 20th century Eastern Europe is a little known movie...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savior_(film)



I'm sure every bit of that movie is based on fact, including the exections near the end of the movie.

It reminded me of when one of Clinton's diplomats to Bosnia came back & was being interviewed by Jim Lehr & commenting on the truly barbaric nature of the ethnic groups 'doing business' down there.