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Found the old thread. Below are relevant extracts from my responses (look at the thread link below and you will see the two people I was replying to).

2 years ago my comments were as below :

I do think weight is an important factor. My reasons for this view are based on the following :

a) In 1998 before I started a shop I produced a diecast Titanic. The two top people in the company that made it for me were ex Matchbox (the guy who set up their Chinese production) and Corgi. As per their advice my Titanic was "weighted" when in reality it did not need to be as heavy.

b) In same year I also produced some 120mm and 200mm resin figure kits. Made by a different place and again deliberately weighted as per the advice from the guy I was dealing with who said "weight equals value". Same goes for the completed painted Queensland Fireman figure and bronzed resin soldier we made. I now sell other 300mm figures and these are much heavier than they need to be (Update : see Khaki Army figures now sold by our hosts).

c) I used to sell Dragon 1/72 tanks and I had comments from people who did not like the plasticky feel and lack of weight in the later ones.

c) Some may recall the reaction to the first vehicle produced by FL 2 years ago where some commented upon its lack of weight. That was a decision made by FL and I am not knocking the quality of the item. John Jenkins subsequently brought out his first tank and it was also very light. Those currently posting in this thread may not have bought Jenkins vehicles but I can tell you he has since made his vehicles heavier. It is simple. If you had two identical tanks in every aspect except one was twice as heavy I would bet the majority would buy the heavier version as they would believe it has more value. The ones who bought the lighter version would probably have some modelling background and would not be so bothered.

When people come into my shop and I am introducing TS's to them I will put a K&C figure in their hands. All have the same surprised reaction and that is that the weight of the figure adds to any good impression they have. When Andy of K&C brought down his prototype unpainted Lighhorse figures recently they were very light compared to finished items. I asked if they could painted as they were and he said no reason why could not be. However as we know they are made heavier.

and

Many of my customers who come in are seeing this kind of item for the first time and I can assure you when they feel the weight it makes an impact. The first thing you have is the visual appeal of whatever it is. Then the sense of touch (ie weight) adds to their visual impression and never fails to impress the first timer.

As a dealer I would much rather the manufacturer make the item heavy than light. I gave examples why in my previous post.

The obvious other example coming will be when K&C brings out their WWI aircraft which will be heavier than the current Jenkins aircraft. I have no doubt that with the majority of my "walkins" they would automatically assume the heavier would be more expensive even if they are actually a similar price and same aircraft. The fact John Jenkins has increased the weight of his vehicles suggests there might be something in this viewpoint.

I have no problem if you think otherwise about the weight issue. If your source of income was derived from this type of product you might appreciate that every little bit that helps towards a sale is a good thing. Being light weight is not a negative but in my view it does not add anything to saleability. A bit of extra weight does.

Anyway, we will have to disagree on this one.
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2 year old post ends.

Full thread at http://www.treefrogtreasures.com/fo...D-Mustang-£92-00-!!!&highlight=corgi+mosquito

Saved myself some time repeating myself :smile2:
 
It is all what you have become conditioned to. If all makers made a certain item a certain way there would be no discussion. I'm not doubting Brett because he knows what sells and doesn't. Logically it shouldn't make a difference. When I first received Jenkins' SCW tanks my reaction was the same as most. However, when you put it in a display case and so forth you don't -- or at least I don't -- think about its weight but its appearance.
 
Found the old thread. Below are relevant extracts from my responses (look at the thread link below and you will see the two people I was replying to).

2 years ago my comments were as below :

I do think weight is an important factor. My reasons for this view are based on the following :

a) In 1998 before I started a shop I produced a diecast Titanic. The two top people in the company that made it for me were ex Matchbox (the guy who set up their Chinese production) and Corgi. As per their advice my Titanic was "weighted" when in reality it did not need to be as heavy.

b) In same year I also produced some 120mm and 200mm resin figure kits. Made by a different place and again deliberately weighted as per the advice from the guy I was dealing with who said "weight equals value". Same goes for the completed painted Queensland Fireman figure and bronzed resin soldier we made. I now sell other 300mm figures and these are much heavier than they need to be (Update : see Khaki Army figures now sold by our hosts).

c) I used to sell Dragon 1/72 tanks and I had comments from people who did not like the plasticky feel and lack of weight in the later ones.

c) Some may recall the reaction to the first vehicle produced by FL 2 years ago where some commented upon its lack of weight. That was a decision made by FL and I am not knocking the quality of the item. John Jenkins subsequently brought out his first tank and it was also very light. Those currently posting in this thread may not have bought Jenkins vehicles but I can tell you he has since made his vehicles heavier. It is simple. If you had two identical tanks in every aspect except one was twice as heavy I would bet the majority would buy the heavier version as they would believe it has more value. The ones who bought the lighter version would probably have some modelling background and would not be so bothered.

When people come into my shop and I am introducing TS's to them I will put a K&C figure in their hands. All have the same surprised reaction and that is that the weight of the figure adds to any good impression they have. When Andy of K&C brought down his prototype unpainted Lighhorse figures recently they were very light compared to finished items. I asked if they could painted as they were and he said no reason why could not be. However as we know they are made heavier.

and

Many of my customers who come in are seeing this kind of item for the first time and I can assure you when they feel the weight it makes an impact. The first thing you have is the visual appeal of whatever it is. Then the sense of touch (ie weight) adds to their visual impression and never fails to impress the first timer.

As a dealer I would much rather the manufacturer make the item heavy than light. I gave examples why in my previous post.

The obvious other example coming will be when K&C brings out their WWI aircraft which will be heavier than the current Jenkins aircraft. I have no doubt that with the majority of my "walkins" they would automatically assume the heavier would be more expensive even if they are actually a similar price and same aircraft. The fact John Jenkins has increased the weight of his vehicles suggests there might be something in this viewpoint.

I have no problem if you think otherwise about the weight issue. If your source of income was derived from this type of product you might appreciate that every little bit that helps towards a sale is a good thing. Being light weight is not a negative but in my view it does not add anything to saleability. A bit of extra weight does.

Anyway, we will have to disagree on this one.
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2 year old post ends.

Full thread at http://www.treefrogtreasures.com/fo...D-Mustang-£92-00-!!!&highlight=corgi+mosquito

Saved myself some time repeating myself :smile2:


Brett

You actually told me this in the shop the second time I came in. I felt then that you were wrong, at least for me. The weight would have no bearing on something I bought because I had no intention of pushing vehicles around on the carpet. Having bought a few vehicles - six now in total - the weight does make a difference to me, not in any meaningful or practical way, just in terms of perception. I was disappointed initially with the Marne taxi because it was so light I felt it was little different from a cheapo Post Office toy. Now it has made it into my cabinet it looks great and I have forgotten my initial reaction and am very happy with it. I opened that Tiger tank last night and it is a weighty beast, a quality which added to a very favourable impression. Even though I knew it was not 'meaningful', it did add that certain something.

Jack
 
heavy = quality for many things metal related

Whenever i look at a product made with sheet metal like a new bandsaw, an airbrush spray booth, i will always always go with the heavier item because this usually equates to thicker sheet metal used in construction, brass fittings, etc







Brett

You actually told me this in the shop the second time I came in. I felt then that you were wrong, at least for me. The weight would have no bearing on something I bought because I had no intention of pushing vehicles around on the carpet. Having bought a few vehicles - six now in total - the weight does make a difference to me, not in any meaningful or practical way, just in terms of perception. I was disappointed initially with the Marne taxi because it was so light I felt it was little different from a cheapo Post Office toy. Now it has made it into my cabinet it looks great and I have forgotten my initial reaction and am very happy with it. I opened that Tiger tank last night and it is a weighty beast, a quality which added to a very favourable impression. Even though I knew it was not 'meaningful', it did add that certain something.

Jack
 
Brad and Jack,

As you say light weight looks good in a display and I agree. However many of my shop visitors have no prior experience of such products (FOV and Dragon 1/35 pre made not been around in Oz for a few years). The challenge for me is to get it from my shop display into the shop visitors display. The initial impression is important to the first sale to the new customer.

The Jenkins tanks/vehicles are not ones I would pick to let a total newcomer feel first. I always pick a heavy K&C one to let them hold. That gets their attention in addition to any visual appeal. They can see the JJ SCW on display also.

Regards
Brett
 
No, surprisingly he did not. Then again, Australian men do not tend to stand around talking about their cats.

Mate that has a great come back but i can't type it...................^&grin

C'mon mate you can say this "Australian men do not tend to stand around talking about their cats, unless they come from Brazil! {sm4}

Tom
 
So we have a market with many manufacturers using different resins from polystone to plastic and even diecast metal models ranging in price from $30 (21st Century), $70 Forces of Valor) into the low $100's (TGM) to the high $100's (CS, JJD) to the low $200's (Fig, K&C) to $300 for similar size AFVs. There must be more to it than weight for people to perceive value at all these price points. Why the price differences? One can't even say that diecast metal AFVs are always the best.

(Note that cats will always select the most expensive model to break)

Terry
 
So we have a market with many manufacturers using different resins from polystone to plastic and even diecast metal models ranging in price from $30 (21st Century), $70 Forces of Valor) into the low $100's (TGM) to the high $100's (CS, JJD) to the low $200's (Fig, K&C) to $300 for similar size AFVs. There must be more to it than weight for people to perceive value at all these price points. Why the price differences? One can't even say that diecast metal AFVs are always the best.

(Note that cats will always select the most expensive model to break)

Terry
( Note that cats will always select the most expensive model to break),,,,Do you think there is a conspiracy here ?........what about the cats that smuggle mobile phones and drugs into Mexican prisons.... are the manufacturers training cats to knock AFV's from the shelves ?.....it's a worry aint it....regards TomB
 
Personally I like tanks and vehicles that are "heavy" and I think K&C (as well as other manufacturers using polystone) have done a superb job in using this material. I like die cast metal tanks and vehicles as well but unfortunately they are not made in 1:30 scale. I have a small collection of FL vehicles and I was initially taken back at the lack of weight in them and even though I wish they were heavier, it won't deter me in buying more in the future. Figarti have done a great job in combining several materials in their tanks, planes, vehicles etc, although there has been some issues with those materials which has been highlighted in several threads in the Figarti section. Having said that, Figarti stuff is awesome and I like the weight in them as well. I reckon all the manufacturers have had or still do have some flaws in their products but at the end of the day you buy what you like and if you get a kick out of the item then it doesn't really matter what someone else says. I have talked to collectors who say that weight isn't an issue with them but for me weight makes the vehicle look and feel more solid and much more like the real thing.

Tom
 
that would be ultimate realism...

Some people like to measure their tanks and want them to be within 1mm of what the actual dimensions should be.... Maybe manufactures should start to weight their afvs and get them within one gram of predicted weight..... Just joking of course :)

Alex
 
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