Civil War: Sioux sentenced to death, biggest public execution in American history (1 Viewer)

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In Mankato, Minnesota, a monument bears the name of the thirty-eight Sioux hanged by order of President Abraham Lincoln in 1862. It was the largest public execution in American history.


As the Civil War raged on, the Indian question remained one of the main concerns of the federal government, which, since the beginning of the 19th century, had been pushing its borders further west. The presence of Amerindian peoples constituting an obstacle to this conquest, Washington multiplied the treaties favoring their deportation. In 1852, the Sioux chiefs of Minnesota signed one of these "contracts". In exchange for the cession of their land in the northwest of the country, the government agreed to provide for their needs. They were parked in a reserve along the Minnesota River without any compensation. In 1862, victims of a famine, they sent representatives to the Bureau of Indian Affairs, an administration dedicated to the Amerindian question, to demand food. In wartime, who cared about a handful of starving Indians? The Sioux rose up on August 17, killing a family of five settlers. Anticipating reprisals, the Indian Council immediately voted for war. The next day, hundreds of warriors led by a chief named Little Crow attacked neighboring towns and farms, indiscriminately slaughtering men, women and children. President Lincoln announced the deaths of nearly 800 settlers. As the government was more concerned with the Confederate advance towards the capital, it decided to let local militias deal with the problem. Mistake. Faced with little federal reaction, the Sioux revolt turned into an all-out war.

On September 2, after the battle of Birch Coulee where, once again, the Americans suffered heavy losses, Lincoln finally took stock of the situation. He appointed General John Pope to head a new regiment, the Northwest Department, which had vowed to treat the Sioux "like wild beasts and exterminate them." He kept his word. In twenty days, he put down the uprising. Thousands of Indians were captured and 392 of them tried by a military commission. The verdict was final: 303 death sentences. Charged with ruling on this decision, Lincoln was caught in the crossfire. The president was under pressure from settlers who demanded swift revenge, but, as a representative of a democratic nation, he also had to ensure that justice did not condemn innocent people. After two months of procrastination, on December 11, he reduced the list of convicts to 38 Indians. "He had distinguished those whose participation in the massacres was proven from those who had simply taken part in the battles," said historian Bradley Clampitt. The culprits were hanged in public on December 26, 1862, in Mankato. Four months later, in April 1863, the Sioux people of Minnesota were expelled to Nebraska and South Dakota. As for its reserve, it was dissolved manu militari by Congress.

-Geo-
 
Is there a point to this post ?.

Reminds me of the Russian guys posts from a year ago.




It is an historical article by the french magasine "Geo"...Ask them, not me....

You know, history is made of facts. If you search for a political ideology in everything , you get far from reality....
 
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As you say just an article you decided to post.

Some thoughts then.

The Indians, perhaps with good cause, were not happy with their treatment. So what did they do ? Oh yes kill an innocent family of 5. Then they bravely declare war and proceeded to slaughter men women and children who also had nothing to do with Government policy. The number quoted is 800.

After an investigation 303 are sentenced to death. Lincoln eventually reduces that number to 38 who were involved in the massacres. Not good for the 38 but the other 265 were probably quite happy with the outcome.

Now judging by how the Italians behaved in Ethiopia I would think the Indians would consider themselves lucky they were dealing with Americans and not Mussolini and his brave Italians dropping mustard gas and killing ten of thousands of civilians in a country they had not even declared war against.
 
It is an historical article by the french magasine "Geo"...Ask them, not me....

You know, history is made of facts. If you search for a political ideology in everything , you get far from reality....

Bull, and, bull.

The magazine may have printed it, but you chose to post it here in the forum. It is natural to ask you why you posted it.

And history is made of facts, but interpreting those facts, including which facts to observe or focus on, and which facts to discard or ignore, is a very subjective process. Those who fail to recognize that it is subjective, that there are biases, can never do anything to account for or overcome those biases.
 
Gentleman,

While I can certainly understand one of our Austrailian brothers not being knowledgeable about the genocide of the American Indians, if you are an American and don't recognize what happened in this country to American Indians, you may be in need of a quick education:

"From a pre-contact population variously estimated at between one and ten million, the American Indian population in the coterminous United States declined to approximately 600,000 in 1800—when estimates become more reliable—and continued its rapid decline in the nineteenth century, reaching a nadir of 237,000 in the decade 1890-1900 . . ."


  • American Indian Mortality in the Late Nineteenth Century: the Impact of Federal Assimilation Policies on a Vulnerable Population
  • J. David Hacker, Michael R. Haine
Taking the smallest estimate of the pre-European American Indian population, 1,000,000, from European Contact, 76% of the American Indian Population was exterminated, the majority of whom were killed between 1800 and 1890, while taking the largest estimate, 97.6% of their population was exterminated, via disease, starvation, or military action. Sounds a lot worse than the Italians in Abyssinia to me. When I lived in Texas and Oklahoma, my friends with Choctaw or Cherokee Indian blood seemed to agree.
 
I will certainly not be the one to minimize the fascist crimes.

On the contrary, I would add that there were not only the crimes of the generals Graziani and Badoglio in Ethiopia and Somalia(Abyssinia) but also in Lybia:Badoglio ordered the forced deportation of the population of Cyrenaica: one hundred thousand people were forced to leave all their possessions bringing with them only the livestock. concentration camps in the central region of Libya, after a forced march of over a thousand kilometers in the desert. Only sixty thousand survived the deportation (1932-33). in Ethiopia ,in particular,the brutal and unjustified repression, summary executions to the detriment of innocent villages bombed with gas bombs by Italian aircraft and civilians shot following a failed attack against General Graziani, viceroy in Ethiopia which culminated in the sending of a column of Somali-Islamic troops(ascari) under the orders of General Pietro Maletti towards the holy city of the Coptic church of Debrà Libanòs. In their march of 150 km from Addis Ababa they put fire on 115,422 tucul and three churches burned, while 2,523 were executed "rebels". After the destruction of the convent of Gulteniè Ghedem Micael on 13 May with the shooting of the monks [33], the column reached Debrà Libanòs, which it occupied on 19 June. The following day, following a telegram from Graziani ordering "all monks to be taken to arms without distinction, including the vice-prior", the systematic massacre of monks, seminarians and Christian-Coptic nuns began, which ended on May 26 with the shooting of 126 young deacons who were initially spared. Among the victims of the massacre many very young people and also fortune tellers and storytellers guilty of predicting the end of the regime ". According to the dispatches sent by Graziani to Benito Mussolini, the victims of the massacre of Debrà Libanòs would have been 449, while a study of the nineties , carried out jointly by an English researcher and an Ethiopian one, raises the estimate to 1,400-2,000 deaths Between March and December about 400 Abyssinians, including important personalities, were imprisoned and deported to Italy with five steamers. In November 1937 the Duke of Aosta was appointed viceroy of Ethiopia and a less repressive policy began, while Graziani returned to Italy in February of the following year.

There were then during the Second World War, war crimes committed by Italian generals in Yugoslavia: people deported to the islands-concentration camps without food or health care where 1 500 people died due to malnutrition, cold, epidemics and mistreatment. There were also Italian crimes in Albania.

But this is another thread , and I guess not so much interesting to the public of this forum who is American or from other Anglo-Saxon countries.
 
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Gentleman,

While I can certainly understand one of our Austrailian brothers not being knowledgeable about the genocide of the American Indians, if you are an American and don't recognize what happened in this country to American Indians, you may be in need of a quick education:

"From a pre-contact population variously estimated at between one and ten million, the American Indian population in the coterminous United States declined to approximately 600,000 in 1800—when estimates become more reliable—and continued its rapid decline in the nineteenth century, reaching a nadir of 237,000 in the decade 1890-1900 . . ."


  • American Indian Mortality in the Late Nineteenth Century: the Impact of Federal Assimilation Policies on a Vulnerable Population
  • J. David Hacker, Michael R. Haine
Taking the smallest estimate of the pre-European American Indian population, 1,000,000, from European Contact, 76% of the American Indian Population was exterminated, the majority of whom were killed between 1800 and 1890, while taking the largest estimate, 97.6% of their population was exterminated, via disease, starvation, or military action. Sounds a lot worse than the Italians in Abyssinia to me. When I lived in Texas and Oklahoma, my friends with Choctaw or Cherokee Indian blood seemed to agree.

Louis,
Thanks for the background information.

My comments related to what Poppo posted. Whilst difficult to comprehend their thinking, due to their treatment, at the time, slaughtering innocents was what I picked up on. However obviously payback. If article had said they attacked the local Army outpost, Mayors office or Sherriff etc then a bit different. In my view Lincolns decision, against local pressure, to reduce the death penalties 303 to 38 was commendable.
 
Gentleman,

While I can certainly understand one of our Austrailian brothers not being knowledgeable about the genocide of the American Indians, if you are an American and don't recognize what happened in this country to American Indians, you may be in need of a quick education:

"From a pre-contact population variously estimated at between one and ten million, the American Indian population in the coterminous United States declined to approximately 600,000 in 1800—when estimates become more reliable—and continued its rapid decline in the nineteenth century, reaching a nadir of 237,000 in the decade 1890-1900 . . ."


  • American Indian Mortality in the Late Nineteenth Century: the Impact of Federal Assimilation Policies on a Vulnerable Population
  • J. David Hacker, Michael R. Haine
Taking the smallest estimate of the pre-European American Indian population, 1,000,000, from European Contact, 76% of the American Indian Population was exterminated, the majority of whom were killed between 1800 and 1890, while taking the largest estimate, 97.6% of their population was exterminated, via disease, starvation, or military action. Sounds a lot worse than the Italians in Abyssinia to me. When I lived in Texas and Oklahoma, my friends with Choctaw or Cherokee Indian blood seemed to agree.

Louis, thanks for posting the above I found it very interesting.

I think it would be fair to state most indigenous people/s suffered terribly at the hands of western colonization to some degree and some way more than others.

Unfortunately not all countries acknowledge this.

As a kid growing up in the 60's & 70's I recall vividly watching American westerns and the Indians were always the bad guys.......how sad is that.

I think what Brett was getting at is that Poppo has previously posted about the plight of the native American Indians on TF, but often as a thinly disguised dig at K&C and their wild west range's. Hence Brett's reference to our good friend 'Tank' and his previous relentless pro-Soviet propaganda rants.

If Poppo's thread starter was posted in good faith then I commend him for it.......if not shame on him.

Cheers Toddy
 
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I will certainly not be the one to minimize the fascist crimes.

On the contrary, I would add that there were not only the crimes of the generals Graziani and Badoglio in Ethiopia and Somalia(Abyssinia) but also in Lybia:Badoglio ordered the forced deportation of the population of Cyrenaica: one hundred thousand people were forced to leave all their possessions bringing with them only the livestock. concentration camps in the central region of Libya, after a forced march of over a thousand kilometers in the desert. Only sixty thousand survived the deportation (1932-33). in Ethiopia ,in particular,the brutal and unjustified repression, summary executions to the detriment of innocent villages bombed with gas bombs by Italian aircraft and civilians shot following a failed attack against General Graziani, viceroy in Ethiopia which culminated in the sending of a column of Somali-Islamic troops(ascari) under the orders of General Pietro Maletti towards the holy city of the Coptic church of Debrà Libanòs. In their march of 150 km from Addis Ababa they put fire on 115,422 tucul and three churches burned, while 2,523 were executed "rebels". After the destruction of the convent of Gulteniè Ghedem Micael on 13 May with the shooting of the monks [33], the column reached Debrà Libanòs, which it occupied on 19 June. The following day, following a telegram from Graziani ordering "all monks to be taken to arms without distinction, including the vice-prior", the systematic massacre of monks, seminarians and Christian-Coptic nuns began, which ended on May 26 with the shooting of 126 young deacons who were initially spared. Among the victims of the massacre many very young people and also fortune tellers and storytellers guilty of predicting the end of the regime ". According to the dispatches sent by Graziani to Benito Mussolini, the victims of the massacre of Debrà Libanòs would have been 449, while a study of the nineties , carried out jointly by an English researcher and an Ethiopian one, raises the estimate to 1,400-2,000 deaths Between March and December about 400 Abyssinians, including important personalities, were imprisoned and deported to Italy with five steamers. In November 1937 the Duke of Aosta was appointed viceroy of Ethiopia and a less repressive policy began, while Graziani returned to Italy in February of the following year.

There were then during the Second World War, war crimes committed by Italian generals in Yugoslavia: people deported to the islands-concentration camps without food or health care where 1 500 people died due to malnutrition, cold, epidemics and mistreatment. There were also Italian crimes in Albania.

But this is another thread , and I guess not so much interesting to the public of this forum who is American or from other Anglo-Saxon countries.

Poppo mate please don't assume that because some of us aren't 'European' that we're not interested in this period of military history. I personally find it quite fascinating as I'm sure many other members do to.

Kind Regards.
 
Poppo mate please don't assume that because some of us aren't 'European' that we're not interested in this period of military history. I personally find it quite fascinating as I'm sure many other members do to.

Kind Regards.



Since you are Australian you should be interested in a little known part of World War II in Africa: The attack of the Italian army in 1940 against British Somalia and Sudan.
After an initial Italian success in Sudan and in British Somalia, the British, having received substantial supplies and supported by the anti-Italian Ethiopian resistance, counterattacked until they conquered Somalia( Mogadiscio) and the capital of Ethiopia,Addis Abeba, thus causing the collapse of Italian East Africa.



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Since you are Australian you should be interested in a little known part of World War II in Africa: The attack of the Italian army in 1940 against British Somalia and Sudan.
After an initial Italian success in Sudan and in British Somalia, the British, having received substantial supplies and supported by the anti-Italian Ethiopian resistance, counterattacked until they conquered Somalia( Mogadiscio) and the capital of Ethiopia,Addis Abeba, thus causing the collapse of Italian East Africa.



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You'll have do so some more research Poppo, New Zealand isn't part of Australia.
 
Since you are Australian you should be interested in a little known part of World War II in Africa: The attack of the Italian army in 1940 against British Somalia and Sudan.
After an initial Italian success in Sudan and in British Somalia, the British, having received substantial supplies and supported by the anti-Italian Ethiopian resistance, counterattacked until they conquered Somalia( Mogadiscio) and the capital of Ethiopia,Addis Abeba, thus causing the collapse of Italian East Africa.



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Thanks for the Info.....

Actually I'm a 'Kiwi' aka a New Zealander, but no offence taken. We are positioned right next to our good mates across the ditch (Tasman Sea) in Australia but are in fact 2x separate countries, with NZ made up of 4x Islands. (North Is, South Is, Stewart Is and the Chatham Is)

Just to confuse things further the region is often referred to as 'Australasia' and we do refer to ourselves as 'ANZAC's' (Australian & New Zealand Army Corps) when it comes to military matters.

Yes you're right I am very interested in the WW2 era African campaigns covering the Sudan/Somalia and of course the western desert. You could pretty much say my main WW2 interests incorporate the Mediterranean, including Crete, Greece, Italy and the Middle East as that's where my countryman largely fought, other than the Pacific and in the RAF. :salute::

Many thanks.
 
with NZ made up of 4x Islands. (North Is, South Is, Stewart Is and the Chatham Is).

Come on Toddy be honest. We all know you guys refer to Australia as the West Island ^&grin

PS. Interesting B/W photo Poppo posted. I hope that column was not put up by the 18th Roman Legion {sm2}
 
Come on Toddy be honest. We all know you guys refer to Australia as the West Island ^&grin

PS. Interesting B/W photo Poppo posted. I hope that column was not put up by the 18th Roman Legion {sm2}

.....Teehee, :wink2: yes can't deny that, but then you buggers go and refer to us as 'East Island'. :tongue:

At least Oz is big enough not to get left off world maps, its quite incredible how often NZ doesn't feature even now-a-days. {eek3}
 
Speaking of confusion. I was talking to a Kiwi work colleague last week that had recently returned from a wedding in New Zealand. As I intend to visit NZ some day I asked her for some details on where the wedding was etc. She said it was on the Mainland, which confused me, but apparently that's what Kiwis call the South Island, where she was from. I asked her what the North island was called, she laughed and said (Peg) Pig Island (other people's accents are always amusing).

I didn't enquiry why it was called Pig Island but apparently there's more rivalry between the Two islands than I thought. She also said there were some earth quakes while she was there, she was pretty scared (understandably) which amused her relatives who are used to them.
 
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Speaking of confusion. I was talking to a Kiwi work colleague last week that had recently returned from a wedding in New Zealand. As I intend to visit NZ some day I asked her for some details on where the wedding was etc. She said it was on the Mainland, which confused me, but apparently that's what Kiwis call the South Island, where she was from. I asked her what the North island was called, she laughed and said (Peg) Pig Island (other people's accents are always amusing).

I didn't enquiry why it was called Pig Island but apparently there's more rivalry between the Two islands than I thought. She also said there were some earth quakes while she was there, she was pretty scared (understandably) which amused her relatives who are used to them.

Oz mate we live in strange times. Yes the 'mainland' is often referred too as the South Island over here. (don't ask me why) The South Island is stunning and a place of extreme's due to the Southern Alps running right down the middle. Its truly a magic place, especially if you like the outdoors?

I'm an 'Aucklander' which is the largest city in NZ and happens to be near the top of the North Island at its narrowest point and where the bulk of Kiwis live.

Funnily enough the rivalry your friend is referring to comes primarily from the South of the country (South Island) particularly from the Christchurch region. Its totally weird and not fully understood by most North Islanders who generally don't refer to the South Island in a disparaging way.

I came across this 'attitude' years ago when working closely with some colleagues from the South Island, most were from Christchurch. Things were fine until they learned I was from Auckland and then the insults started. To be honest I was really taken aback, especially when loads of Aucklanders dropped everything to help Christchurch after the big earthquakes.

I'm sure she's a lovely lady, but the anti feeling towards the North is not reciprocal. Shame she felt the need to refer to the north in that way to you. She probably thought she was being funny?

In saying that all the South Islanders I know are some of the nicest folks you'll meet.
 
Oz mate we live in strange times. Yes the 'mainland' is often referred too as the South Island over here. (don't ask me why) The South Island is stunning and a place of extreme's due to the Southern Alps running right down the middle. Its truly a magic place, especially if you like the outdoors?

I'm an 'Aucklander' which is the largest city in NZ and happens to be near the top of the North Island at its narrowest point and where the bulk of Kiwis live.

Funnily enough the rivalry your friend is referring to comes primarily from the South of the country (South Island) particularly from the Christchurch region. Its totally weird and not fully understood by most North Islanders who generally don't refer to the South Island in a disparaging way.

I came across this 'attitude' years ago when working closely with some colleagues from the South Island, most were from Christchurch. Things were fine until they learned I was from Auckland and then the insults started. To be honest I was really taken aback, especially when loads of Aucklanders dropped everything to help Christchurch after the big earthquakes.

I'm sure she's a lovely lady, but the anti feeling towards the North is not reciprocal. Shame she felt the need to refer to the north in that way to you. She probably thought she was being funny?

In saying that all the South Islanders I know are some of the nicest folks you'll meet.

Australia has similar rivalries, I'm from New South Wales and have worked in Queensland since 2000, but I'm still not considered a 'local'. Queenslanders call people from NSW 'Cockroaches', Queenslanders are 'Cane toads' because of the Rugby League State of Origin series, Victorians are 'Mexicans', and of course anyone from Tasmania has Two heads.

However these are pretty tame rivalries compared to the way she was talking about people from the North island, it came as surprise to me. I do feel she was exaggerating a bit for humour, but yeah it did come across as a very Parochial/Redneck type of attitude. That said, she's ok to work with, a bit rough around the edges like most Females in road construction. She can take a joke, but she's also good at giving it back.
 

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