Collector's Code? (1 Viewer)

jberto18

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I recently sold a few pieces from my American Rev. collection from K&C and finally realized how cut-throat the buying/selling/trading could be. I was working under the assumption that there is an "unwritten" code when working with other collectors as far as the secondary market is considered. While I understand it maybe difficult to exact what you want for a K&C piece when reselling - except for maybe an extremely rare retired item - some of the process seems a bit too "business-like" and not so much of a hobbyesque atmosphere.
 
I recently sold a few pieces from my American Rev. collection from K&C and finally realized how cut-throat the buying/selling/trading could be. I was working under the assumption that there is an "unwritten" code when working with other collectors as far as the secondary market is considered. While I understand it maybe difficult to exact what you want for a K&C piece when reselling - except for maybe an extremely rare retired item - some of the process seems a bit too "business-like" and not so much of a hobbyesque atmosphere.

What are you saying ? You sold your stuff for a lose or what ? It a buyer market out there with to much stuff made at over inflated prices I'm sorry to say
 
I've always had good results with people I've dealt with.I've made a profit from a few sets but I usually sell for about what I paid for them.A lot of times I will sell for less,especially if someone buys multiple sets.It doesn't bother me if I lose a couple of bucks because a lot of times it's collectors who started to collect a range after it's been out for a while and I just can't see charging them 5 or 10 times what I paid for them.I think it might chase them away and hurt the hobby in the long run.

Mark
 
I, too, don't understand what you mean. Did you get less than you anticipated?
 
I,ve always said when it comes to collectibles and you want to sell. It,s not like you can take them back to the origional seller and redeem them, you get back what the market bears. And as you stated unless the item is rare you will probably take a loss. Just look at it that you enjoyed it but at least you got something in return. Not like an expensive meal you enjoyed and get nothing back.
Gary
 
Like most of you, I am not in the hobby for profit, but its a shame that the items I sold/intended to sell, were so far below the original price. At times I need to sell pieces to continue to fuel the collection because of the rising prices - I am beginning to question if many of the figures (all K&C) hold their value.
 
Am Rev is not the most popular range -- and this is just not confined to K & C. It has never fetched terribly high prices in the secondary market.

Brad
 
- I am beginning to question if many of the figures (all K&C) hold their value.

Not any more. Different times now. 2008 killed off too many jobs & collectors. Most of the speculators have moved on to greener pastures.
 
Am Rev is not the most popular range -- and this is just not confined to K & C. It has never fetched terribly high prices in the secondary market.

Brad

The American Rev. ones were the ones I sold. I had all different ranges -- the other was WWII German, still didn't fetch nearly half of the original asking price. A shame really.
 
Unless it's real early stuff, K & C is just not holding its value anymore.
 
Its sad because I feel like younger individuals are not taking up the hobby because of the expense and the fact that there is little to no return on the investment in the long run either.
 
That's the first mistake. Toy soldiers are not an investment. Especially anything produced in the last few years. Buy them enjoy them, but don't expect to sell them with out taking a lose.
 
The "Golden Age" of toy soldier collecting has now entered the "Bronze Age"...

Make purchases because you are interested in collecting... NOT for profit! Purchasing duplicate figures because one believes they can profit from it some years down the road may have a rude awakening! {eek3}
 
Agree. Toy soldiers are not investment and don' expect to get your money back without a loss unless the items are very rare. K&C keeps pumping out items like clock work with higher prices so naturally it kills the secondary market because people can't afford to buy them thus you would have a tough time to sell your collections for even money.
 
One of the reasons I posted this was to try and understand this issue better. Notice early that I stated I am not in the hobby for the purpose of re-sale, but after my selling experience AND looking at various secondary sellers (esp. E-bay) it is a little confusing. Many here are stating it is not an investment and to expect to take a loss if you are selling, which is fine - then why/how is it possible for people to charge higher prices or auctions to rise to the prices they do. Besides the sentimental/visually appealing "value" what is the true value of what we are collecting?
 
One of the reasons I posted this was to try and understand this issue better. Notice early that I stated I am not in the hobby for the purpose of re-sale, but after my selling experience AND looking at various secondary sellers (esp. E-bay) it is a little confusing. Many here are stating it is not an investment and to expect to take a loss if you are selling, which is fine - then why/how is it possible for people to charge higher prices or auctions to rise to the prices they do. Besides the sentimental/visually appealing "value" what is the true value of what we are collecting?
Good question and I cannot give you an answer except there are always people out there looking for a fast buck and they stuff it up for the honest collectors,,,,that is the world we live in I hate to say....my opinion only,,,TomB
 
One of the reasons I posted this was to try and understand this issue better. (snip) then why/how is it possible for people to charge higher prices or auctions to rise to the prices they do.

I'm not really sure what you are trying to figure out. High auction prices are usually driven by 2 deep pocket individuals who are waiting for a particular item. Take them out of the equation & you are back down to earth. For example last year iirc, a winter 88 set sold for close to $1.8K, the price driven up by two individuals only. Immediately after the auction, another seller short auctioned a set for the second highest price...what was the runner up's limit which I think was $1.6K. Now that those two appetites have been satisfied, the next winter 88 sold might fetch a few hundred, which would be the stabilized price I'm guessing.

If you are looking for something oop, there are several speculators online who have good inventory but charge high prices. That's if you have to have it yesterday. If you can be patient, the demographics are on your side. The attrition is in your favor. A private collector will come along sooner or later & offer what you want at a reasonable starting price because he's getting out & wants the piece to find a good home. There are more leaving than coming in
 
One of the reasons I posted this was to try and understand this issue better. Notice early that I stated I am not in the hobby for the purpose of re-sale, but after my selling experience AND looking at various secondary sellers (esp. E-bay) it is a little confusing. Many here are stating it is not an investment and to expect to take a loss if you are selling, which is fine - then why/how is it possible for people to charge higher prices or auctions to rise to the prices they do. Besides the sentimental/visually appealing "value" what is the true value of what we are collecting?

Regardless of what you're buying or selling, it really all comes down to what you're prepared to pay for any given item and/or what you're prepared to sell it for.

Buying & selling on any auction site, always comes with some form of risk and the timing of the auction can make all the difference.

Where collectors often come unstuck is when they try and off load items quickly or have unreasonably expectations of what they think the item is worth.

It's always disappointing to sell at a loss, but I think many collectors unrealistically expect to make a profit, simply because you've owned the item for a period of time. For example, lets say you buy a new car straight off the factory floor. Any car dealer will tell you (after he's sold it to ya), before you've even driven it out of the car-yard it's already devalued.

Personally speaking, I don't have a lot of funds to play with, so my purchases are made very carefully and in that sense I've got to really want the TS item before I buy it. Don't let the present market put you off collecting mate, there are plenty of bargains out there, you just have to be patient.

My advice is simple, spend wisely, enjoy your purchases and check out the market well before you try and sell/buy off stuff.

Cheers!
 
While I appreciate your responses and advice, my experiences with buying and selling either with a collector or at auction drove me to post this thread as more of a philosophical question than a complaint. I understand the dynamics of supply and demand but I think the general rising prices of miniatures both MSRP and at auction are hurting the hobby. I understand prices maybe rising on the newer items but the older items are not holding their value to financially justify the purchase. Taking emotion out of it, in reality it isn't "worth" collecting.

As a relatively young collector it is difficult to keep up with the hobby. I am not saying I am going to stop collecting or am trying to insult the purpose of collecting - i am just posing an interesting question to the forum.
 

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