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Stryker II said:
Lancer: you would think someone should get the message by now??????..............Stryker
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Does the word sarcasm mean anything to you?

I am fully aware of the Pacific series.

So you're telling me this series came about due to complaints over SPR and BOB?

I'm having a tough time with that one.

SPR was a blockbuster of a movie, just incredible, EASILY in the top 5 movies of all time.

It was not made as a slight on Marines or anyone else who served in the Pacific theater.

Nor was BOB, making that series was a way of paying tribute to those men, not of knocking Marines.

Besides, A thin red line, Flags of our Fathers and Letters from Iwo Jima all covered the Pacific and were more or less flops at the box office; that said, the landings on Iwo was perhaps the best depiction of combat I've ever seen.

You don't have to knock the soldiers who served in the ETO as a way of paying tribute to those who served in the Pacific; what is wrong with honoring BOTH?

I don't get it....................
 
Obviously, you have NOT read any of the blogs concerning this series or why it was made, and YES Hanks did say the series was made becase of all the men and women who were left out from thse other films.

You said it, sarcasm definately pertains to this situation-------BOTH needs to be shown, and wether anyone likes it or not, HAS FINALLY BEEN ACCOMPLISHED...................Stryker
 
I have an Uncle who ferried troops onto and back from many a pacific island, including Iwo Jima (and he's got the souvenirs to prove it), two other Uncles who served in the Coast Guard and yet another Uncle who was a Marine and took part in numerous landings and campaigns, including Saipan.

Not a one of them "complained" about the making of SPR or BOB and viewed them being made as a "slight" on any of them.

THAT is good enough for me.
 
Warrior said:
I have an Uncle who ferried troops onto and back from many a pacific island, including Iwo Jima (and he's got the souvenirs to prove it), two other Uncles who served in the Coast Guard and yet another Uncle who was a Marine and took part in numerous landings and campaigns, including Saipan.

Not a one of them "complained" about the making of SPR or BOB and viewed them being made as a "slight" on any of them.

THAT is good enough for me.
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Well thats nice. I have lots of family members and HUNDREDS of marine friends who were and still are, and they seem to take a very different view than you choose to do. My family and friends were involved in EVERY major landing in the pacific--nuff said.

I have many souvenirs too, even some nazi junk, but I use that to get REAL items from the island campaigns.
 
Yeah it is nice.

That all of my relatives made it home ok.

Nice.

And it's not MY VIEW, it's theirs.

What are you trying to prove; you have friends and family who took part in every landing; wow, I'm impressed.

What is this; anything you can do, I can do better?

Nazi junk?

Real souvenirs?

Tell that to my Dad, who was in the ETO and brought home a helmet and a luger.

Tell him those items are "junk."

I dare you.

Listen chief; all battles, all campaigns and all victories in WWII were important, not just ETO, not just the Pacific.

You've got this personal agenda towards the Pacific theater which you've been trying to RAM DOWN EVERYONE'S THROATS FOR MONTHS ON END.

Collectors have a right to collect what they want without others calling their stuff "junk" as you do.

Over and over and over.

Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers came out and ETO WWII toy soldier interest went through the roof.

The thin red line, Flags of our fathers and Letters from Iwo Jima came out.

And barely a ripple came from those movies regarding interest in the Pacific from toy soldier collectors.

Those aren't MY views; those are facts.

IF soldiers from that theater sold, TRUST ME ON THIS; companies would make set after set after set. It's called supply and demand.

Read a book on marketing/ecomonics if need be.

And you're talking to the wrong guy as I have a great deal of interest in the Pacific.

You ranting and raving towards manufacturers to make Pacific stuff, to wake up, to stop making Nazi "junk" has gotten real old.

Real fast.
 
Guys, can we please take this down a notch. Everybody's contribution to the war effort, regardless of theatre, was important to eventual victory. As my son says about other stuff, "this is not a competition."

Stryker, I understand you're frustrated about manufacturers not making Pacific items but I don't think trying to elevate the Pacific or denigrate what happened in the European theatre is the way to go.
 
Stryker,

I would recommend collecting all of the old K&C Iwo and the Figarti sets. I have a healthy allotment of the K&C series except a few sets and the Iwo Sherman (real hard to get). Anyhow, I got the entire diorama of the mountain tops (both halves). If you really like this theater, save your time and effort of asking for the new figures and go after the old stuff. You will spend money yes, not awful, the most expensive pieces will be the diorama stuff. The Figarti stuff will come cheaper. Reason I suggest this is that nearly all of the big manufacturers will not make Pacific anymore due to poor sales. Figarti's last stuff they had to give away at under 50% retail. K&C gave up too. The Company you are trying to get to make this (imo) is not big enough to do it and can't sell enough of it to make a profit.

Just my opinions, but pretty close to facts apparently.

Again, the K&C and Figarti retired stuff is pretty good, spend your money and efforts on that, the chase is half the fun!

Tom
 
Thanks for your input Tom, I have been trying to do just that. I have most all of the Marines and some of the japs==the island will be the tough piece to get, but will locate it sometime................Stryker
 
Warrior said:
Yeah it is nice.

That all of my relatives made it home ok.

Nice.

And it's not MY VIEW, it's theirs.

What are you trying to prove; you have friends and family who took part in every landing; wow, I'm impressed.

What is this; anything you can do, I can do better?

Nazi junk?

Real souvenirs?

Tell that to my Dad, who was in the ETO and brought home a helmet and a luger.

Tell him those items are "junk."

I dare you.

Listen chief; all battles, all campaigns and all victories in WWII were important, not just ETO, not just the Pacific.

You've got this personal agenda towards the Pacific theater which you've been trying to RAM DOWN EVERYONE'S THROATS FOR MONTHS ON END.

Collectors have a right to collect what they want without others calling their stuff "junk" as you do.

Over and over and over.

Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers came out and ETO WWII toy soldier interest went through the roof.

The thin red line, Flags of our fathers and Letters from Iwo Jima came out.

And barely a ripple came from those movies regarding interest in the Pacific from toy soldier collectors.

Those aren't MY views; those are facts.

IF soldiers from that theater sold, TRUST ME ON THIS; companies would make set after set after set. It's called supply and demand.

Read a book on marketing/ecomonics if need be.

And you're talking to the wrong guy as I have a great deal of interest in the Pacific.

You ranting and raving towards manufacturers to make Pacific stuff, to wake up, to stop making Nazi "junk" has gotten real old.

Real fast.
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George,did you enjoy Flags of our Fathers and Leters from Iwo Jima,underrated films in my view.Clint Eastwood makes some great movies(Mel Gibson take note;):D)

Rob
 
Rob: so did I, and lots of others did too. Eastwood has a fondness for the Corps, and like Wayne, he has been an icon to them. I remember in 78, he an his on were tooling out in the desert near 29 Palms dunebuggying. My friends from another unit came across him and they had quite a visit, and he autographed several marine covers--they gave him one too--smile....Stryker
 
Rob said:
George,did you enjoy Flags of our Fathers and Leters from Iwo Jima,underrated films in my view.Clint Eastwood makes some great movies(Mel Gibson take note;):D)

Rob
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Rob,
The assault on Iwo, from the naval bombardment to the scenes where the third wave gets clobbered (more on that in a second) and all Hell breaks loose is perhaps one of the top five all time combat scenes ever filmed in my opinion.

I thought the movie was excellent, told the story of how the US government, which was nearly bankrupt at the time, used those heroic flag raisers as pawns to help them raise money to keep the war effort going.

I also liked Letters as well. Told the story from the Japanese side, much like Cross of Iron and Stalingrad told the story from the German side. I have both of them in my DVD collection. Also, if you get the chance, check out a movie called "Kokoda", it's about the Aussies in WWII and the fighting that took place along the Kokoda trail, excellent excellent movie.

Regarding the third wave on Iwo; myself and my Dad (he's 81) were at a show a month or so ago and my Dad bought a book from one of the vendors about the Marines in WWII for a friend of his who was in the Marines in WWII.

One of the vendors at the show sees my father behind our tables reading the book and he says "Hey Chris, I thought you were in the Army during WWII" and my Dad tells him "I was, this is for a friend of mine who was a Marine in WWII" and the vendor goes on to tell my father "When I joined the Marines in the 60's, I joined the unit that was the first wave at Iwo, those guys were tough SOB's and I wanted to be one of them" to which my father said "Well my friend was also at Iwo, he was in the third wave; you know the one that when they landed all Hell broke loose and THEY took a pounding".............the guy turned red as a tomato and walked away.
 
Just one comment on all of this and please tell me if you think I,m off base.
These companies may say in their advertiseing that they are makeing this series or that to honor this unit or that unit. No, they are makeing this to make money, something that will sell. Hence no more Pacific stuff, it does not sell enough to justify makeing more, plain and simple.
Why is there always some company doing German things, to honor them? I think not, it SELLS.
Now on to Chicago!
Gary
 
gk5717 said:
Just one comment on all of this and please tell me if you think I,m off base.
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NO, you are not off base.

The sets that sell are made over and over and over.

And they sell over and over and over.

Take it from someone who has been at this for over ten years.

Sets that sell are the ones that are made.

Period, done, end of story.
 
Warrior said:
Rob,
The assault on Iwo, from the naval bombardment to the scenes where the third wave gets clobbered (more on that in a second) and all Hell breaks loose is perhaps one of the top five all time combat scenes ever filmed in my opinion.

I thought the movie was excellent, told the story of how the US government, which was nearly bankrupt at the time, used those heroic flag raisers as pawns to help them raise money to keep the war effort going.

I also liked Letters as well. Told the story from the Japanese side, much like Cross of Iron and Stalingrad told the story from the German side. I have both of them in my DVD collection. Also, if you get the chance, check out a movie called "Kokoda", it's about the Aussies in WWII and the fighting that took place along the Kokoda trail, excellent excellent movie.

Regarding the third wave on Iwo; myself and my Dad (he's 81) were at a show a month or so ago and my Dad bought a book from one of the vendors about the Marines in WWII for a friend of his who was in the Marines in WWII.

One of the vendors at the show sees my father behind our tables reading the book and he says "Hey Chris, I thought you were in the Army during WWII" and my Dad tells him "I was, this is for a friend of mine who was a Marine in WWII" and the vendor goes on to tell my father "When I joined the Marines in the 60's, I joined the unit that was the first wave at Iwo, those guys were tough SOB's and I wanted to be one of them" to which my father said "Well my friend was also at Iwo, he was in the third wave; you know the one that when they landed all Hell broke loose and THEY took a pounding".............the guy turned red as a tomato and walked away.
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Goerge,very much agree mate.Both films were very good,i like the way 'Letters' got across the claustrophobic fear the Japenese troops experienced in the tunnels and dugouts.And as you say Flags had some great scenes,its good that quality War films/tv series are still being made today and i'm looking forward to the Pacific series.

Thats quite a story George.I guess the guy was very embarrased!

Rob
 
Well let's see Warrior, and examine the FACTS:

Guadalcanal- father wounded

Bougainville - friend of dad's

Tarawa- step dad

New Britain- friend of dad

Roi-Namur--ditto

Eniwetok--ditto

Saipan--neighbor

Guam--same

Tinian--ditto

Peleliu--ditto

Iwo Jima-several very good friends and neighbors

Okinawa-friend of mine-dad

Finally Japan Itself--everyone that I didn't mention and some repeat ones.

That's 13 MAJOR landings, several far GREATER in scope than Normandy, not counting all smaller engagements such as Tulagi, New Russell, and a hundred different islands that time has forgotten. This also does not count recon
missions to islands that were by-passed etc. "REAL SOUVENIRS" you bet I have some, and not just from one location. Matter of fact, I have some of my own but those are from places that are again ignored by manufactures, maybe you have head of them--Korea and Vietnam?????............How many do you have?.....................Stryker
 
Sorry excuse my ignorance here guys,but i'm sure Normandy is officially recognized as the biggest Seaborne invasion in History:confused:.I'm not playing down the Pacific landings in any way at all,but i'm sure D Day was the biggest.

Rob
 
jazzeum said:
Guys, can we please take this down a notch. Everybody's contribution to the war effort, regardless of theatre, was important to eventual victory. As my son says about other stuff, "this is not a competition."

Stryker, I understand you're frustrated about manufacturers not making Pacific items but I don't think trying to elevate the Pacific or denigrate what happened in the European theatre is the way to go.
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Stryker, aka, the Gambale of the Pacific/Korea/Vietnam; do you understand English?

Take Brads advice.

Stop flapping your gums.

Stop minimizing the sacrifices made in Europe over those from the Pacific; they were EQUALLY IMPORTANT FOR FINAL VICTORY IN WWII.

You've beaten this horse to death, we get it already.

Really, enough is enough.
 
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