CS AB's Italian Armored Cars? (1 Viewer)

[johngambale]

Hello! Has anyone purchased CS AB Armored Cars yet? Do you like them? I think they're GREAT! But haven't seen them yet, only in the Brochure! I'm planning to Buy at least 4/5 for my Personal Collection! Also, the NEW CS Hanomag's look's Exciting, and wanting to get them also! I hope a M-13/40 Tank , and a Semovente 40-S.P. will follow soon? CIAO!

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Hello! Has anyone purchased CS AB Armored Cars yet? Do you like them? I think they're GREAT! But haven't seen them yet, only in the Brochure! I'm planning to Buy at least 4/5 for my Personal Collection! Also, the NEW CS Hanomag's look's Exciting, and wanting to get them also! I hope a M-13/40 Tank , and a Semovente 40-S.P. will follow soon? CIAO!

I have the desert version and think it is CS best model to date. The optional broken wheel is a good feature. Scale fits with K&C DAK armour.

Terry

 

[OzDigger]

I have the desert version and think it is CS best model to date. The optional broken wheel is a good feature. Scale fits with K&C DAK armour.

Terry

I have the same Desert version, which was a more limited production run btw, and it makes a great little desert dio piece. It's actually one of my favourite models - and I have plenty

 

[joesgis]

Hello, I have the winter version and I am very pleased with it to say the least. Upon receiving it I was really blown away, and I left a sparkling review of it in another thread. It is well worth the money and even fits in well w/ K & C's Bulge vehicles and figures, IMHO. I have become a big fan of CS, and I find the future quite exciting!

Joe

 

[maddadicus]

I also bought the desert version and it is a wonderful model in detail and scale. Had the camo version, though history inaccurate, been in a Normandy scheme ,I would have bought one of those..The camo's offered did not visually appeal to me..Michael

 

[Gordon Pasha]

Until my recent purchase of the CS/AB DAK version, I collected K&C/ DAK exclusively. The CS/AB is a beautiful vehicle and better detailed, in my humble opinion, than all but the most recently issued K&C. However, when its placed in a scene with a group of K&C vehicles my eye tells me that it's slightly larger in scale (e.g. when placed next to the old K&C Mk III it appears as large or larger). Given that I'm far from being an expert on the relative sizes of these vehicles...it's still hard for me to believe that the AB was as large in appearance as the Mk III. That's my experience with co-locating K&C with CS.

 

[OzDigger]

Until my recent purchase of the CS/AB DAK version, I collected K&C/ DAK exclusively. The CS/AB is a beautiful vehicle and better detailed, in my humble opinion, than all but the most recently issued K&C. However, when its placed in a scene with a group of K&C vehicles my eye tells me that it's slightly larger in scale (e.g. when placed next to the old K&C Mk III it appears as large or larger). Given that I'm far from being an expert on the relative sizes of these vehicles...it's still hard for me to believe that the AB was as large in appearance as the Mk III. That's my experience with co-locating K&C with CS.

Welcome to Treefrog GP. I don't have the early K & C Mk III but it may well have been closer to 1/32 scale the same as most earlier K & C tanks.

I do have the CS AB41 model and although I haven't measured it to check the scale the image below indicates that it was a relatively large vehicle.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Until my recent purchase of the CS/AB DAK version, I collected K&C/ DAK exclusively. The CS/AB is a beautiful vehicle and better detailed, in my humble opinion, than all but the most recently issued K&C. However, when its placed in a scene with a group of K&C vehicles my eye tells me that it's slightly larger in scale (e.g. when placed next to the old K&C Mk III it appears as large or larger). Given that I'm far from being an expert on the relative sizes of these vehicles...it's still hard for me to believe that the AB was as large in appearance as the Mk III. That's my experience with co-locating K&C with CS.

Welcome to Treefrog GP. I don't have the early K & C Mk III but it may well have been closer to 1/32 scale the same as most earlier K & C tanks.

I do have the CS AB41 model and although I haven't measured it to check the scale the image below indicates that it was a relatively large vehicle.

I have done a side-by-side comparison and you are both correct. The AB41 was a large vehicle and the relative sizes are a tiny bit out of scale - probably because the K&C Panzer III is more like 1/32 scale. The AB41 was 17 ft long vs 17.7 ft for the Panzer III but the models are about the same length. The AB41 was 8.2 ft high vs 8 ft for the Panzer III but the AB41 model appears very slightly more than 0.2 ft (2.5 inches) taller than the Panzer III. However, IMO they go well together and do not look out of scale.

When the new K&C Panzer III comes out, we can do a side-by-side comparison to see if the new Panzer III is a bit larger than the old one.

Terry

 

[The Collectors Showcase]

I have done a side-by-side comparison and you are both correct. The AB41 was a large vehicle and the relative sizes are a tiny bit out of scale - probably because the K&C Panzer III is more like 1/32 scale. The AB41 was 17 ft long vs 17.7 ft for the Panzer III but the models are about the same length. The AB41 was 8.2 ft high vs 8 ft for the Panzer III but the AB41 model appears very slightly more than 0.2 ft (2.5 inches) taller than the Panzer III. However, IMO they go well together and do not look out of scale.

When the new K&C Panzer III comes out, we can do a side-by-side comparison to see if the new Panzer III is a bit larger than the old one.

Terry

Let me put this all to rest: its simple, we are offering true 1/30th scale vehicles for the first time. While KC figures are 1/30th very often the vehicles were not.

We issue only 1/30th scale figures with 1/30th scale vehicles. Its an important point for us as we saw this problem with KC vehicles and saw the opportunity to right the issue with ours.

I would point the collecters to the disparity of scales between the KC Tiger wittmann piece and the KC Tunasian Tiger. A perfect example of competition at work. The more recent KC Tunasian Tiger is now the right scale, I can only sumize after a little pressure from us.

Disclaimer : Each company has a different style, ours is more realistic, animated and gritty and Andy's a bit more story book like. They both have a place on the collectors shelf. Naturally I'm a bit partial as I grew up with military miniatures and I believe its the way forward

Kind regards,

Brian

 

[OzDigger]

Let me put this all to rest: its simple, we are offering true 1/30th scale vehicles for the first time. While KC figures are 1/30th very often the vehicles were not.

We issue only 1/30th scale figures with 1/30th scale vehicles. Its an important point for us as we saw this problem with KC vehicles and saw the opportunity to right the issue with ours.

I would point the collecters to the disparity of scales between the KC Tiger wittmann piece and the KC Tunasian Tiger. A perfect example of competition at work. The more recent KC Tunasian Tiger is now the right scale, I can only sumize after a little pressure from us.

Disclaimer : Each company has a different style, ours is more realistic, animated and gritty and Andy's a bit more story book like. They both have a place on the collectors shelf. Naturally I'm a bit partial as I grew up with military miniatures and I believe its the way forward

Kind regards,

Brian

Brian, I suggest you 'surmise' too much After myself and a few other forum members complained about the scale issues of some of the earlier tanks Andy did say that there was some shrinkage. K & C subsequently rectified the scale problem. They also improved track detail on the tanks and also improved the general detail of the vehicles such as using clear rather than blue painted windscreens.

No doubt K & C would have made these improvements in due course - as they do. However, I believe consumer demand together with earlier competition such as Figarti and Honour Bound may have expedited the K & C improvements.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Let me put this all to rest: its simple, we are offering true 1/30th scale vehicles for the first time. While KC figures are 1/30th very often the vehicles were not.

We issue only 1/30th scale figures with 1/30th scale vehicles. Its an important point for us as we saw this problem with KC vehicles and saw the opportunity to right the issue with ours.

I would point the collecters to the disparity of scales between the KC Tiger wittmann piece and the KC Tunasian Tiger. A perfect example of competition at work. The more recent KC Tunasian Tiger is now the right scale, I can only sumize after a little pressure from us.

Disclaimer : Each company has a different style, ours is more realistic, animated and gritty and Andy's a bit more story book like. They both have a place on the collectors shelf. Naturally I'm a bit partial as I grew up with military miniatures and I believe its the way forward

Kind regards,

Brian

The answer to Gordon Pasha's question is simply that the CS AB41 does not look out of scale next to the old K&C Panzer III and the new Panzer III will likely be a bit bigger than the old one, and the CS AB41 will look OK next to that one too.

Terry

 

[The Collectors Showcase]

Brian, I suggest you 'surmise' too much After myself and a few other forum members complained about the scale issues of some of the earlier tanks Andy did say that there was some shrinkage. K & C subsequently rectified the scale problem. They also improved track detail on the tanks and also improved the general detail of the vehicles such as using clear rather than blue painted windscreens.

No doubt K & C would have made these improvements in due course - as they do. However, I believe consumer demand together with earlier competition such as Figarti and Honour Bound may have expedited the K & C improvements.

I respectfully disagree, as the release of correctly scaled vehicles were laid in prefectly behind our splendid Tiger model, alas' we agree to disagree my fine Digger! Simply put: the bar was raised when the dollars spoke (e.g. new manufacturer with the correctly scaled vehicles ), actually it was pretty easy to see especially when your on the line as we are.

"The value of competition to the collector should not be underrated"---Brian Sr. Duke Of Showcase 1673

 

[jazzeum]

Are you in effect saying you are the reason why K & C rectified the scale question?

 

[The Collectors Showcase]

Are you in effect saying you are the reason why K & C rectified the scale question?

I am not only claiming this but many other accolades, actually too far to list here as the servers or my head would simply explode at such a large data input ( actually, sometimes I can't tell between the two ). Also..It is I not Al Gore that is responsible for the internet!

(...too much coffee this morning..arghh I hate when that happens)

 

[jazzeum]

Brian,

You are a character, that is for sure

Enjoy the day.

 

[The Collectors Showcase]

Brian,

You are a character, that is for sure

Enjoy the day.

You too! Cheers!

Up Up and away! ( Im on my second cup!)

 

[Warbuff26]

.... ours is more realistic, animated and gritty and Andy's a bit more story book like.

Wow.....kinda hard to believe that the company that gave us our first Zombie Nazi muscle bound 88mm crew members now claims to be more realistic. Goes to show ya that everyone can improve...can we all take some credit for that then?

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Are you in effect saying you are the reason why K & C rectified the scale question?

I believe as more manufacturers of WW2 armour came in and side-by-side comparisons showed the vehicles and figures were of different sizes between manufacturers, all manufacturers made adjustments to get the vehicles and figures to a more standard size. I believe Figarti started with 1/32 armour which was only a tiny bit smaller than the K&C 1/30? scale while their 1/32 scale figures were much smaller than the K&C figures. CS started out with large figures (and armour?) at 1/28 scale and quickly reduced size to 1/30. Figarti went to a 1/30 scale for both armour and figures (some of which figures I think are still a little small). While K&C increased the size of their armour to a true? 1/30 scale. Their beefy figures remained unchanged. So now K&C, Figarti & CS armour and figures are about the same size as are HB figures.

The credit for this goes to the collectors who pointed out the size differences to the manufacturers who then took steps to make what I assume is now true 1/30 scale AFVs and close to 1/30 scale figures. In any case, they are more compatible with each other.

Terry

 

[The Collectors Showcase]

Wow.....kinda hard to believe that the company that gave us our first Zombie Nazi muscle bound 88mm crew members now claims to be more realistic. Goes to show ya that everyone can improve...can we all take some credit for that then?

"...Wow.....kinda hard to believe that... " Believe It!

 

[OzDigger]

I believe as more manufacturers of WW2 armour came in and side-by-side comparisons showed the vehicles and figures were of different sizes between manufacturers, all manufacturers made adjustments to get the vehicles and figures to a more standard size. I believe Figarti started with 1/32 armour which was only a tiny bit smaller than the K&C 1/30? scale while their 1/32 scale figures were much smaller than the K&C figures. CS started out with large figures (and armour?) at 1/28 scale and quickly reduced size to 1/30. Figarti went to a 1/30 scale for both armour and figures (some of which figures I think are still a little small). While K&C increased the size of their armour to a true? 1/30 scale. Their beefy figures remained unchanged. So now K&C, Figarti & CS armour and figures are about the same size as are HB figures.

The credit for this goes to the collectors who pointed out the size differences to the manufacturers who then took steps to make what I assume is now true 1/30 scale AFVs and close to 1/30 scale figures. In any case, they are more compatible with each other.

Terry

Hi Terry, good post, but I should mention that some of my early CS vehicles (Kettenkrad etc) and figures measured out to around 1/25 scale