CTSC Site Restoration (1 Viewer)

[Spitfrnd]

That's not correct about being a communist labor union. They were leftists for sure and contained some great americans in their ranks such as Bill Haywood and Joe Hill. As a matter of fact, the Communists tried to infiltrate them but were not successful.

Well there are frequently two sides and shades of grey to these things so getting what they deserves seems a bit harsh to me. I am not so sure Joe Hill was a great American but he certainly was colorful and a object of much attention, as well as being inspirational to some, including Bob Dylan. His trial and execution for murder is of course very controversial to say the least.

I also don't know about whether the deletion of one or two posts would have made the difference to whatever happened at CTSC or whether it is the right answer usually to controversies that depart from the rational to the pure emotional. I would like to think self control would suffice but I guess if that were true we would never have brawls at soccer matches, baseball games or whatever. The expectation of civility is justified but the reality some times fails the expectation. Any way political fervor or nationalism are poor substitutes for reason; perhaps an in depth study of Voltaire should be a mandatory.

 

[Andanna]

Has the mood on these forums become more aggressive? Is it because Medicare stopped paying for therapy? Or certain individuals cannot afford the membership to the boxing club anymore? Or their favorite sparring partner is no longer available?

Maybe giving these individuals an out on a forum is a social thing and prevents them from trying their assault weapons on innocent bystanders? I suspect we save lives by offering our tolerance.

 

[Warrior]

I think it is part of a bigger problem that Louis touched on, how the internet breeds this "I'm going to say whatever I want as I'm safe here behind my computer, I'll never meet any of these people face to face" attitude.

I suspect the attitude/tone on forums in general would change if folks had to say in person what they are allowed to say on a forum without having to worry about the other shoe dropping................

 

[damian]

I think it is part of a bigger problem that Louis touched on, how the internet breeds this "I'm going to say whatever I want as I'm safe here behind my computer, I'll never meet any of these people face to face" attitude.

I suspect the attitude/tone on forums in general would change if folks had to say in person what they are allowed to say on a forum without having to worry about the other shoe dropping................

That is the best assessment I have come across in a long time.
If people had to say some of these things to other members face to face it would be a bit different.

 

[Mister Dave]

I think it is part of a bigger problem that Louis touched on, how the internet breeds this "I'm going to say whatever I want as I'm safe here behind my computer, I'll never meet any of these people face to face" attitude.

I suspect the attitude/tone on forums in general would change if folks had to say in person what they are allowed to say on a forum without having to worry about the other shoe dropping................

This seems like a good opportunity to break my silence and say that I agree whole-heartedly with George's sentiments here. I realize I am "pulling a Costanza" by showing up here after storming off a week or so ago, but I have too many friends here (that I've been missing) to stay away. We are witnessing an increased volume of this "forum rage" as of late for whatever reason, but it, to me is quite similar from a psychiatric stand-point to road rage in that the instigator feels inappropriately secure at the keyboard (or behind the wheel) to the point that all acceptable standards of manners, politeness and courtesy simply cease to exist. I apologize to any, including you Brad, I may have put off with my hot-headed exit from the forum last week, and have finally taken advantage of the ignore feature to allow me to better interact here with the many individuals I have come to call friends, while avoiding the inevitable unpleasant distractions from those whom I tend to take offence most often.

As for the CTSC episode in question, it was really no different than most of the brush ups on here. A couple of individuals who I consider both to be good people got off on some pretty regrettable dialogue and things escalated from there. I am hopeful they can some time mend fences and perhaps have done so already.

One point I think needs to be made, and which I attempted to make not so eloquently before, is the whole concept of self moderation. Really preferable (I'm sure you will agree Brad ) to having a third party do it for you/us. Please consider carefully before starting threads with clearly provocative titles, and think, what is the real value of this, and will it more than likely lead to fisticuffs. It does not take a rocket scientist or brain surgeon to grasp these concepts, although I personally know people in each of these occupations if it would be helpful (actually never mind....they are probalby some of the most mal-adjusted social beings I know ).

I think most of us at the end of the day just really want to talk TS after all..........right?

MD

 

[jazzeum]

Excellent posts by George and you, Dave, and definitely no need to apologize. If anything, I probably should have expressed myself better in my pms to you and others.

I think what has really helped things here has been Dave Namiot and Scott (thebritfarmer) becoming moderators. As Shannon has said to me, "you're probably burnt out," and she's probably right. So, kudos to them for the excellent job they're doing.

Now, as to why some people are acting the way they are lately, who knows. I certainly don't. Perhaps it's the economy. We could all be stressed by that a little bit and about keeping our jobs.

Anyway, just glad to have Mr. Dave back as he's quite important here.

 

[Mister Dave]

Cheers Brad, and I have never envied your job here.

MD

 

[Combat]

I don't have any idea what went on the CTSC site, but there seem to be a few individuals that are constantly in conflict and can't let it go. That, however, is the nature of internet forums. Nothing anyone says or does will change the spots on that leopard.

 

[Spitfrnd]

That is a bit unfair and a tad too similar to the type of generic labeling that gets things going in the wrong direction where ever you happen to be. To me there was nothing essentially negative at CTSC other than examples given of unfortunate events which just so happened to be negative. Expressing a negative opinion of inappropriate conduct may seem negative but if it is a candid and fair observation, then I think it is not unreasonable. I think people were more open and candid over there but that doesn't have to equate to disruption. Failing to take accountability for one's remarks is probably the most significant factor. The distance of the internet can play a role in that but I have seen as many dumb and provocative things said in bars, public meetings and legislatures as I have on these forums. To me it is more the use of stereotypes and inflammatory labels and expression of righteous opinion as dogma that gets things going south than any thing else. Opinions are wonderful but there are ways to express them and ways not too.

 

[Harrytheheid]

Cheers Brad, and I have never envied your job here.

MD

Thanks for reconsidering your decision and returning to posting here Dave.

I also missed conversing with the friends I have on this forum.
It's unfortunate that I'm your typical fiery Scot who frequently needs to engage brain before typing finger and have found myself bitterly regretting being drawn into conflicts with individuals in whom I really have no interest.
The Ignore List is certainly an extremely useful tool which I tend to use more and more often these days.

PS. New Photo Album has been added on my User CP this morning (my time).

Regards
H

 

[Warrior]

This seems like a good opportunity to break my silence and say that I agree whole-heartedly with George's sentiments here. I realize I am "pulling a Costanza" by showing up here after storming off a week or so ago, but I have too many friends here (that I've been missing) to stay away.

MD

Nice to have you back Dave; "pulling a Costanza", priceless..............

 

[Harrytheheid]

That is a bit unfair and a tad too similar to the type of generic labeling that gets things going in the wrong direction where ever you happen to be. To me there was nothing essentially negative at CTSC other than examples given of unfortunate events which just so happened to be negative. Expressing a negative opinion of inappropriate conduct may seem negative but if it is a candid and fair observation, then I think it is not unreasonable. I think people were more open and candid over there but that doesn't have to equate to disruption. Failing to take accountability for one's remarks is probably the most significant factor. The distance of the internet can play a role in that but I have seen as many dumb and provocative things said in bars, public meetings and legislatures as I have on these forums. To me it is more the use of stereotypes and inflammatory labels and expression of righteous opinion as dogma that gets things going south than any thing else. Opinions are wonderful but there are ways to express them and ways not too.

I agree 100% with this post. I've no idea who saw it before I deleted it, but I myself posted a completely inappropriate message on the Canadian board before I even really thought about what I was saying. As I've said, its now deleted, but I do regret posting it in the first place.

Regards
Harry

 

[Mister Dave]

Nice to have you back Dave; "pulling a Costanza", priceless..............

Cheers George, so I guess you've seen that episode too?

MD

 

[Mister Dave]

Thanks for reconsidering your decision and returning to posting here Dave.

I also missed conversing with the friends I have on this forum.
It's unfortunate that I'm your typical fiery Scot who frequently needs to engage brain before typing finger and have found myself bitterly regretting being drawn into conflicts with individuals in whom I really have no interest.
The Ignore List is certainly an extremely useful tool which I tend to use more and more often these days.

PS. New Photo Album has been added on my User CP this morning (my time).

Regards
H

Cheers Harry, I missed this post before.

I certainly can relate to the content of your post here, and btw there is nothing whatsoever wrong with fiery Scots in my book either.

I'll be checking out your albums now.........

MD

 

[Mister Dave]

Why do I have a feeling that post #35 which I am ignoring and cannot read is something caustic and inflammatory? For the good of this community please give it a rest and tell us about your TS collection instead. What do you say?

 

[Njja]

To me its not really suprising, several people that left this Forum in a huff

settled on that Forum so it is no suprise that trouble erupted. Lets hope

things remain calm here. I hope we can all get along and enjoy our hobby.

 

[Mister Dave]

To me its not really suprising, several people that left this Forum in a huff

settled on that Forum so it is no suprise that trouble erupted. Lets hope

things remain calm here. I hope we can all get along and enjoy our hobby.

Precisely!

 

[jazzeum]

To the extent possible, let's try to keep what happened at CTSC over there and not drag up what led Nicolas to close the site.

 

[damian]

That is where evolution is a useful theory.
Just like the human body was not designed to come to a complete stop after traveling 80 mph in a metal contraption so people tend to come off second best in vehicle accidents, we were not designed to communicate with others thousands of miles away. Not many people know this but we all have what is know as an "idiot" gene. SOme of us are lucky in that it is recessive so we tend not to display it all the time howevber some of us have a double recessive gene so we display all the features of this gene quite frequently.

"When you say something stupid in a bar you usually regret it, especially if the person you say it to is a big construction worker type with tatoos. You certainly regret it when a broken bottle is stuck in your face,. So in true Pavlovian manner we tend to not say such things unless we are under the influence. We have learn't this simple truism "Behavior of the "idiot" nature results in extreme pain and suffering soon after such behavior is displayed. Conclusion do not exhibit such behavior at least not in public. So on a forum we can combine our innate ability to be an "idiot" with out any restraining functions that evolution has taught us. You know when early man first started playing lets pull the sleeping saber tooth tigers tail. Evolution taught us that was bad, as all the little Neanderthals who thought it was a cool game got eaten so that particular "idiot" gene died out quite rapidly. On the forum we have uncoupled evolution. This allows us to display our "idiot" gene without any of the usual negative feedback that nature provides free of charge. So on the forum we feel free to exhibit our fienly developed "idiot" gene. Combine that with a bit if Dutch courage and you have a recipe for the sort of behavior we all know and love here on the forum.

 

[OzDigger]

An interesting theory "Damian"