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Figures vary, but now thought to approximately 10,500 Crew, Refugees and Miltary personnel on board, only around 1250 survived the torpedoing of the MV Wilhelm Gustloff by a Russian Submarine becoming the worst loss of life in a single vessel in Maritime History.

Steve
 
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Figures vary, but now thought to approximately 10,500 Crew, Refugees and Miltary personnel on board, only around 1250 survived the torpedoing of the MV Wilhelm Gustloff by a Russian Submarine becoming the worst loss of life in a single vessel in Maritime History.

Steve

I did not know the Russians had a submarine in WWII. Steve, great set up and photo.

Steve 2
 
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figures vary, but now thought to approximately 10,500 crew, refugees and miltary personnel on board, only around 1250 survived the torpedoing of the mv wilhelm gustloff by a russian submarine becoming the worst loss of life in a single vessel in maritime history.

Steve
and they knew it was loaded with refugees and wounded too
 
Wow, yet another chilling scene-that was such a tragedy
 
Steve, I think you would enjoy, The Forgotten Soldier by Sajer. One of my favorite books about a German soldier fighting in Russia.
 
I did not know the Russians had a submarine in WWII. Steve, great set up and photo.

Steve 2

Cheers Steve !:salute::

Steve

and they knew it was loaded with refugees and wounded too

Certainly a tragic event in the last few months of the war in Europe for sure. Spurred by their fear of Soviet revenge for Nazi their atrocities in the East, and though such a tremendous number, I guess one of the things that so shocking was most of the deaths would be in such a short space of time. Much in the same way the gassing of Jews was carried out as they came off the trains at concentration camps.

Steve

Wow, yet another chilling scene-that was such a tragedy

Cheers Mike !:salute::

Steve

Steve, I think you would enjoy, The Forgotten Soldier by Sajer. One of my favorite books about a German soldier fighting in Russia.

Cheers I will have to look that one up !:salute::

Steve
 
Thank you for remembering this tragedy,that took place from january 1945, showing a part of the WW2 not well known by most.

That was only one episode of the larger tragedy suffered by millions of germans and german origin civilian refugees, mostly women with children and old people escaping from Eastern Prussia, Memel, Poland the red army.

Those refugees were the survivors of the systematic rapes, brutality and killings by the red army, especially made by the asiatic soldiers coming in the second wave. They moved towards south west in long deadly marches in the ice and the snow at minus 40 degrees leaving behind thousands of dead children, women, old people who couldn't resist such a terrible effort and weather conditions.

Some of them tried to reach Germany by boat: the kriegsmarine put all their boats available to carry as many people as they could to Kiel, Hambourg, even to Danemark.

This tragedy was another of Hitler's crimes against humanity, showing his total indifference to the life of his own people...The gauleiters and the other nazi party officials lied to the people in their usual fanaticism and denial of reality saying that the front was stable and strong, refusing to evacuate civilians for fear of spreading defeatism; and then abandoning them to the systematic slaughter of the soviets, excited by having seen Russia devastated and mounted by a regime propaganda that pushed them to revenge and murder....

Naturally, those same gauleiters who forced their people to fight to the last man and the last bullet, fled at the last moment with a Fieseler Storch or by sea saving themselves.)
 
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Thank you for remembering this tragedy,that took place from january 1945, showing a part of the WW2 not well known by most.

That was only one episode of the larger tragedy suffered by millions of germans and german origin civilian refugees, mostly women with children and old people escaping from Eastern Prussia, Memel, Poland the red army.

Those refugees were the survivors of the systematic rapes, brutality and killings by the red army, especially made by the asiatic soldiers coming in the second wave. They moved towards south west in long deadly marches in the ice and the snow at minus 40 degrees leaving behind thousands of dead children, women, old people who couldn't resist such a terrible effort and weather conditions.

Some of them tried to reach Germany by boat: the kriegsmarine put all their boats available to carry as many people as they could to Kiel, Hambourg, even to Danemark.

This tragedy was another of Hitler's crimes against humanity, showing his total indifference to the life of his own people...The gauleiters and the other nazi party officials lied to the people in their usual fanaticism and denial of reality saying that the front was stable and strong, refusing to evacuate civilians for fear of spreading defeatism; and then abandoning them to the systematic slaughter of the soviets, excited by having seen Russia devastated and mounted by a regime propaganda that pushed them to revenge and murder....

Naturally, those same gauleiters who forced their people to fight to the last man and the last bullet, fled at the last moment with a Fieseler Storch or by sea saving themselves.)

There are always little known incidents about WW2, tragic for the most part. Britain also had it's worst Maritime disaster earlier in the war in 1940 when MT Lancastria was bombed and sunk leaving 4000 dead troops and civilians being evacuated from France off St Nazaire.

Steve
 
Steve, this is simply FANTASTIC , I have no other words for it .
"Sublime" as we say in French
guy:salute::
 
One of the most unique stories brilliantly portrayed. I read an account, I believe it was of this event. A young woman survived after being pushed up an open hatch as the water closed in the passage way. She was the last out and heard shots as the soldiers committed suicide. Harrowing tale. Chris
 
One of the most unique stories brilliantly portrayed. I read an account, I believe it was of this event. A young woman survived after being pushed up an open hatch as the water closed in the passage way. She was the last out and heard shots as the soldiers committed suicide. Harrowing tale. Chris

Cheers Chris !:salute::

I've not read any first hand accounts, so would be interesting to read them.

Steve
 
Gunter Grass wrote a fictional account that centered around the sinking of the Wilhelm Gustloff. The book is "Crabwalk."
 
My family came from Eastern Prussia and had horrible experiences living their homes and joining the TRECK escaping their homes. In my mothers family case the great escape took almost three years to finally arrive at what was then called the West. My aunt seemed "lucky" at first for holding such a valuable ticket for the Gustloff out of hell but during an air attac her sons legs where cripled and she remained with him in Gotenhafen field hospital letting the ship leave without her.
Most tragic episode at the closing stage of WWII , one million out of 2,5 million Eastern Prussians died during the great escape. This part of history becomes more
and more forgotten ... - and may it never happen again
 
The MV Goya was also sunk by a Soviet submarine in April 1945 with less than 200 survivors out of 7,000 crew and passengers. Chris
 
My family came from Eastern Prussia and had horrible experiences living their homes and joining the TRECK escaping their homes. In my mothers family case the great escape took almost three years to finally arrive at what was then called the West. My aunt seemed "lucky" at first for holding such a valuable ticket for the Gustloff out of hell but during an air attac her sons legs where cripled and she remained with him in Gotenhafen field hospital letting the ship leave without her.
Most tragic episode at the closing stage of WWII , one million out of 2,5 million Eastern Prussians died during the great escape. This part of history becomes more
and more forgotten ... - and may it never happen again


Wow, interesting piece of family history from those dark days !

Steve
 
My family came from Eastern Prussia and had horrible experiences living their homes and joining the TRECK escaping their homes. In my mothers family case the great escape took almost three years to finally arrive at what was then called the West. My aunt seemed "lucky" at first for holding such a valuable ticket for the Gustloff out of hell but during an air attac her sons legs where cripled and she remained with him in Gotenhafen field hospital letting the ship leave without her.
Most tragic episode at the closing stage of WWII , one million out of 2,5 million Eastern Prussians died during the great escape. This part of history becomes more
and more forgotten ... - and may it never happen again

Wolfgang your family story is so familiar.

Many of those 15 million Germans from east of the Oder-Neiße and from the Sudetenland suffered horribly for the crimes committed in their name. My own mother's family from Posen and Allenstein.

Despite the passage of time, people do remember. Some of my family were in Danzig/Hela at the end, waiting for evacuation. Thankfully they did not board the VM Wilhelm Gustloff (at least 9,500 dead), the MV Goya (estimated 6,500 lost),the SS General von Steuben (estimated 4,000 deaths) or the so many other refugee ships that were sunk.

Thank you for sharing your comments and may we never forget the role of the Kriegsmarine and Operation Hannibal in saving so many.

Rob
 
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Figures vary, but now thought to approximately 10,500 Crew, Refugees and Miltary personnel on board, only around 1250 survived the torpedoing of the MV Wilhelm Gustloff by a Russian Submarine becoming the worst loss of life in a single vessel in Maritime History.

Steve

Top stuff, a really great diorama that helps to remember history. Hats off Steve. :salute::

Kevin
 

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