Falklands, EU slap to the United Kingdom (1 Viewer)

[Poppo]

FROM OUR CORRESPONDENT IN LONDON - This time the clash over the Falklands, the disputed islands between Great Britain and Argentina, is between the British and the European Union: in London they are furious because the EU signed a declaration, at the end of the recent summit with the Latin American countries (gathered in CELAC), in which reference is made for the first time to the "Malvinas Islands", which is the Argentine name for the Falklands. In addition, the document incorporates "the importance of dialogue and respect for international law in the peaceful resolution of the dispute", which is Argentina's traditional position: and it is no coincidence that in these hours in Buenos Aires they are praising the "diplomatic triumph". For London it is not just a slap in the face. Here the memory of the 1982 war is still alive, in which 255 British soldiers lost their lives (as well as 649 Argentines and three civilian women): so every mention of the "Malvinas" is experienced as an anathema which calls into question their sovereignty over the islands, which is still claimed by Argentina.

British diplomacy got in motion and asked Brussels to back off: but the Europeans don't hear us. “The United Kingdom is not part of the EU – a source told the Financial Times -. They are annoyed by the use of the word "Malvine": but if they had been in the EU they could have opposed it".

Corriere della Sera

 

[Horus]

Despite the machinations of the Argentines, the people of the Falklands voted to remain British in what was a fair referendum.

 

[GICOP]

In the 2013 Falkland Islands Sovereignty Referendum, and on a turnout of 92%, 99.8% of Falkland Islanders voted to remain a British territory, with only three votes against (I think they were Penguins)

Cheers

Martyn

 

[Terp152]

"... but if they had been in the EU they could have opposed it".

Sounds like a slap at Brexit. Time to get over that.

 

[Horus]

"... but if they had been in the EU they could have opposed it".

Sounds like a slap at Brexit. Time to get over that.

Some Brits as well as EU citizens don't like Britain having left and put as many obstacles on Britain as they can Chris.
One of the reasons being, but not really discussed is the fact that Britain was after Germany the highest Net contributor to EU coffers.
Always comes down to Money of course and no one likes to have to pay more for something !
Plus of course, is the Centuries old distaste for any country like Britain that disrupted their own Empires !

When Britain entered it was the Common market, meant to make trading easier. But the Eurocrats / Civil Service have little by little eroded the Sovereignty of it's citizens and want to gain total control over everything !
The younger generation in the UK who tend to be the biggest complainers, didn't for a significant part bother turning up to vote, as they thought it was a forgone conclusion that Britain would stay in the EU from their own confidence in what they had been taught at school believing the hubris of these teachers and what the pollsters were telling them.
What they forgot is that people don't always say what they really think in public, when to express an opinion different to what the media says you should think, is on a social par of loudly breaking wind at a Wedding !
Of course, what leavers had forgotten was that barriers would be put up by the EU against the Brits living in Spain or having holiday homes there etc and those wanting to travel abroad for their holidays as petty revenge.
Hey ho, sometimes you get the rough as well as the smooth !

 

[Andanna]

The EU did not put barriers up for British retirees. They are treated equally like all retirees from non-EU countries, like those from the US for example. Fair treatment for everyone.

 

[Old Bill]

From the Daily Mail today 21st July 2023

 

[Barkmann]

The EU did not put barriers up for British retirees. They are treated equally like all retirees from non-EU countries, like those from the US for example. Fair treatment for everyone.

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As a Brit [also a Falklands war Veteran, that is why i opened this thread] i totally agree, was not the EU. it was the British, we voted to leave [bad decision in my opinion] and now are dealing with the consequences. The attitude of some Brits, mostly right wing and old, is they should be treated differently because they 'are British'. Example is when they go and live in Spain, France or anywhere else abroad, they call themselves 'EXpats' when really they are immigrants and get really p***ed when you point that out. Bascially it is like joining a club and getting the benefits of that club, then deciding to leave the club and complaining when they stop giving you the benefits.

On the Falklands, it is 'owned' [for want of a better word] by the people that live there, not Britain, certainly not Argentinia. i met quite a few people there [Islanders], during the war and on further postings there, who can track there family living on the island to the late 1700s and early 1800s, before the country of Argentina existed.

It is a political football for Argentina [and in a way UK], when things are bad economically or a politician was votes they cry for the Falklands. The war was about many things, but for me it was about protecting those who cannot do so themselves, from bullies and those that use force to get there way. I know people go onabout it was to get the Tories re-elected, but Labour were in a mess anyway, so who knows. I do think it was the British taking a stand, not just on the Falklands, but for all the other overseas territories and dependencies that could have been threatened, the government of the time were scared it coulld be a domino effect and others would have come under threat.

Right or wrong, it was my first posting, i was 19 [20 when i left] and i do still think about it.
It pops up in my way of thinking and the way i address things. i was working at a place in the early 2000s and we had a manager who was a real 'pain', she was in a meeting with us and was stressed about getting stuff done, which i and others never were, we always hit our deadlines and targets. She was was banging the table and shouting, saying i did not understand as my job was not stressful and i had never had a stressful job. I should not have, but i burst out laughing, which made it worse, then i asked her what she was doing at 19, she said she was at University, why? I just told her at 19 i was with 40 Commando Royal Marines and i was in the first assault wave to land on the at the Falklands. Plus if she wants to know about real stress, in 1989 i was on a parachute refresher course at Brize and on my second jump my main chute failed to open and i had to deploy my secondary chute, after cutting away my first chute while falling at near max velocity and deployed so low i took such a heavy landing i think my ancesters even felt it. I guess i have a more even way, as do a lot of ex military, of getting things into perspective.

Back to the Falklands, i have no ill will against those whom i fought and have met Argentinians who lost family there. Now the Politicians who use the Falklands [and other conflicts] as a tool to play politics, such as the person who said/wrote the Argentinian name for the Falklands, just to have a 'dig at the British' i have utter contempt for.

 

[Barkmann]

Some Brits as well as EU citizens don't like Britain having left and put as many obstacles on Britain as they can Chris.
One of the reasons being, but not really discussed is the fact that Britain was after Germany the highest Net contributor to EU coffers.
Always comes down to Money of course and no one likes to have to pay more for something !
Plus of course, is the Centuries old distaste for any country like Britain that disrupted their own Empires !

I used to work as an EU funding Project Manager, for the UK not the EU, left way before BREXIT. The UK were the second highest 'Net' contributors, but once the rebate was taken out and the funds we received back through the H2020, ERDF and CAP programme are taken into account we were around joint 3 or 4. For example the UK academic sector received more EU funding than any other country's academic sector. Everyone wanted to work with UK universities. While Rolls Royce and British Aerospace were for over a 20 year period always annually in the top 10 private companies to have received EU funds.

Plus contributions were based on the size on countries economic ability to pay. So if you take that into account we are all roughly level, rather than the grand total of monies contributed.

Ironically UK regions which received a lot of EU support voted to leave....... and that money has not been replaced, as promised, but as i heard someone say, if you really want to mislead people, then write it on the side of a bus.

I am still waiting for someone to tell me something the EU passed which made the UK worse off or which laws and regulations those who voted to leave were most looking forward to getting rid of?

Centuries old distaste for any country like Britain that disrupted their own Empires ! You do not that the EU never had an Empire!

For the best analogy on BREXIT and stay in or leave, see below.
Brexit = A Cup Of Tea | James Acaster On Mock The Week #Shorts - YouTube

 

[jazzeum]

"... but if they had been in the EU they could have opposed it".

Sounds like a slap at Brexit. Time to get over that.

Brexit has caused untold problems for British citizens who transact business with the EU. Paperwork and bureaucratic hassles have made the problem more complicated. I read today about British citizens who have moved to Spain and become Spanish citizens so they could transact business with the EU. Otherwise their livelihoods may disappear. On top of that, Brexit has caused enormous problems for Northern Ireland. Prior to Brexit, due to the Good Friday Accords, commerce was transacted smoothly between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. Unfortunately, due to Brexit, that is no longer possible and has made things difficult for the Northern Irish. Negotiating this problem has been a major sticking point between the UK and the EU and there is some fear that the Accords could be in jeopardy. As far as I know things are quiet at the moment. To say that they should get over it doesn’t recognize the issues that are out there.

 

[Terp152]

Brexit has caused untold problems for British citizens who transact business with the EU. Paperwork and bureaucratic hassles have made the problem more complicated. I read today about British citizens who have moved to Spain and become Spanish citizens so they could transact business with the EU. Otherwise their livelihoods may disappear. On top of that, Brexit has caused enormous problems for Northern Ireland. Prior to Brexit, due to the Good Friday Accords, commerce was transacted smoothly between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. Unfortunately, due to Brexit, that is no longer possible and has made things difficult for the Northern Irish. Negotiating this problem has been a major sticking point between the UK and the EU and there is some fear that the Accords could be in jeopardy. As far as I know things are quiet at the moment. To say that they should get over it doesn’t recognize the issues that are out there.

The point was that use of the term "Malvinas Islands" by the EU was provocative and petty. As pointed out in other posts the people of the Falklands overwhelmingly voted to remain British. There are issues with Brexit as you point out but the political sovereignty is not really a part of that. Read and learn.

 

[GICOP]

In the 2016 Referendum the UK voted 52% (17,410,742) to 48% (16,141,241) to leave the EU, its time Remainers accepted the fact we are out and we ain't going back[FONT=arial, sans-serif].[/FONT]

 

[jazzeum]

The point was that use of the term "Malvinas Islands" by the EU was provocative and petty. As pointed out in other posts the people of the Falklands overwhelmingly voted to remain British. There are issues with Brexit as you point out but the political sovereignty is not really a part of that. Read and learn.

However, that’s not what you said about Brexit.

Sovereignty over those islands is a separate question.

 

[jazzeum]

In the 2016 Referendum the UK voted 52% (17,410,742) to 48% (16,141,241) to leave the EU, its time Remainers accepted the fact we are out and we ain't going back.

Nothing is fixed forever and from what I’ve read the sentiment is now the reverse. Even Farage thinks it’s a failure, and that’s saying something.

 

[Horus]

[QUOTE
Centuries old distaste for any country like Britain that disrupted their own Empires ! You do not that the EU never had an Empire!

As you must know other countries had their own Empires with territories they laid claim to and often fought over over the centuries other than Britain. France,Spain,Portugal,Italy, Austria, Germany,Netherlands, Belgium,Japan,Turkey,Russia the list goes on, all had their own versions of varying sizes with some lasting longer than others, go back further and you have the Mongols further still the Romans and so on, take your pick !
Eventually Empires fall, sometimes leaving bits and bobs here and there around the globe, as the Falklands and Gibraltar and a few little islands often to be found with a US base on them today.
Some fallen Empires try to rise again such as Russia is trying to do now in Ukraine.

 

[Horus]

Nothing is fixed forever and from what I’ve read the sentiment is now the reverse. Even Farage thinks it’s a failure, and that’s saying something.

Nope nothing is forever Brad, what one generation thought was worth fighting for another gives away. One wonders if Biden's health issues will last the full term if not Kamala Harris would no doubt have her own views on how to proceed with some of the issues now at the fore in America and how that would play out.

 

[jazzeum]

Nope nothing is forever Brad, what one generation thought was worth fighting for another gives away. One wonders if Biden's health issues will last the full term if not Kamala Harris would no doubt have her own views on how to proceed with some of the issues now at the fore in America and how that would play out.

Change is always taking place. As a colleague once told me if you don’t embrace change and adapt, it will roll right over you. People generally don’t like change but change is always happening. Who would have thought ten years ago that AI would be as important as it has now become.

 

[marco55]

Nope nothing is forever Brad, what one generation thought was worth fighting for another gives away. One wonders if Biden's health issues will last the full term if not Kamala Harris would no doubt have her own views on how to proceed with some of the issues now at the fore in America and how that would play out.

God help us!{eek3}
Mark

 

[lancer]

God help us!{eek3}
Mark

My thoughts exactly. People think Uncle Joe is bad, but what a disaster Harris would be. We have to find better alternatives than we are being offered, on both sides. -- Al

 

[marco55]

Agree. We need to get younger people in (30's-50's). You saw McConnell yesterday. That's scary. Term limits and age limits unless they pass medical tests.
Mark