February Dispatches (1 Viewer)

[Combat]

Re: March Dispatches

Attached are real WW1 German armored cars...What is shown by KC does not exist in any of my reference sites or books of WW1...In fact, it looks like it was made up of British armored car body parts, as it has features of the Rolls Royce, Lanchester, and Delaunay Belleville. Do not want to create another fantasy vehicle issue, but I would like to know where this model came from? I will still buy it, but I will repaint and add stowage to hide the fanciful features...Michael

To some extent collectors get what they deserve. If they buy historically inaccurate items like the Rammjager, Heydrich set, and AK Tiger, then we get more of the same. Otherwise I'm at a loss as to why KC continues to produce such items. There is some notion that this is a pedantic rivet counting exercise, but we are talking about vehicles that never even existed. How much lower could expectations be if no one even cares about that?

 

[maddadicus]

Re: March Dispatches

KC describes this armored car as an early war Bussing-Eberhart..The correct name is Bussig-Ehrhardt and this model ain't it....See attached. Both of these are Ehrhardt's ,but the first one is the early war collaborative version.. Wrong name ,wrong vehicle...enough said. Do your own search and try to find if this KC model ever existed....as they have named it. Michael

 

[Capitolron]

Re: March Dispatches

So many beautiful Russians to KILL

Thank You ! Thank You ! Andy !

Oh how wonderful, more targets for my French Cuirassiers to run over !! Yippeeeeeee

 

[Tex]

WOW!!!!
This is all EXCELLENT news! Thanks again!



I don't want to sound ungrateful, but I have a quick question: When will those AWI Hessians be available?

 

[Rob]

Re: March Dispatches

I won't get sucked into WWI, but I will have to buy that armored car . . . it is just that good! Once again Andy has outdone himself! Great work guys!!

Me too Louis!.Have been resisting collecting the WW1 series since it started but Andy is making it really difficult not to!.Love this armoured car,maybe i'll get it as a stand alone set.With some officers and maybe troops marching....D'oh!!!

Rob

 

[oberstoskar]

I've several praises, comments and questions regarding to the latest releases:

1. Do the Uhlan horsemen have the same poses as those Crimea 17th Lancers (UK Exclusives)?

2. Do you think the Russian Guards have the same poses as previously released French and British infantry? (Except the wounded and mounted officers, which look really cool). Imagine in your display, a russian guard and the french guard both have the same posture fighting each other... reminds me of the plastic toy soldiers in my childhood with the same mold but just different color and uniform... and they only cost < US$1.00 each instead of US$25!

3. Does anyone look forward to Napoleonic Polish Lancers?

4. Should we demand more creativity of the poses of the figures especially if we're collecting several lines/eras? (seems like I am getting repetitive poses of the figures on my shelves)

 

[Kiwi]

I've several praises, comments and questions regarding to the latest releases:

1. Do the Uhlan horsemen have the same poses as those Crimea 17th Lancers (UK Exclusives)?

2. Do you think the Russian Guards have the same poses as previously released French and British infantry? (Except the wounded and mounted officers, which look really cool). Imagine in your display, a russian guard and the french guard both have the same posture fighting each other... reminds me of the plastic toy soldiers in my childhood with the same mold but just different color and uniform... and they only cost < US$1.00 each instead of US$25!

3. Does anyone look forward to Napoleonic Polish Lancers?

4. Should we demand more creativity of the poses of the figures especially if we're collecting several lines/eras? (seems like I am getting repetitive poses of the figures on my shelves)

In answer to 2,3, & 4 above:

2. I'm guessing that the vast majority of the 250,000+ combatants on the field at Waterloo were not all looking at each other facing off that day thinking to themselves: "Ooh look they are all posing like me!! Are they taking the mickey or what!!??"

If you collect Napoleonics like I do, then it is a given IMO that most soldiers were restricted in their movements by their regiments movements and the accepted rules of engagement (walk forward a lot, load, stand ready, aim, fire, re-load, with a bit of stabbing in-between). Large formations did not mean Wellington or Napoleon ordering "everyone just do your own thing and it will be alright on the night - trust me!". It meant loads of men doing exactly the same thing at exactly the same time when ordered. Except Skirmishers and Voltigeurs and marksmen of course who were the bad boys and pretty much did whatever they wanted and p*#sed everyone else off because they never played by the rules.

3. Yes! Have been looking forward to Polish Lancers for some time - good suggestion!!

4. see the response for 2. above, at least for Napoleonics.

Cheers

Kiwi

 

[Harrytheheid]

In answer to 2,3, & 4 above:

2. I'm guessing that the vast majority of the 250,000+ combatants on the field at Waterloo were not all looking at each other facing off that day thinking to themselves: "Ooh look they are all posing like me!! Are they taking the mickey or what!!??"

If you collect Napoleonics like I do, then it is a given IMO that most soldiers were restricted in their movements by their regiments movements and the accepted rules of engagement (walk forward a lot, load, stand ready, aim, fire, re-load, with a bit of stabbing in-between). Large formations did not mean Wellington or Napoleon ordering "everyone just do your own thing and it will be alright on the night - trust me!". It meant loads of men doing exactly the same thing at exactly the same time when ordered. Except Skirmishers and Voltigeurs and marksmen of course who were the bad boys and pretty much did whatever they wanted and p*#sed everyone else off because they never played by the rules.

3. Yes! Have been looking forward to Polish Lancers for some time - good suggestion!!

4. see the response for 2. above, at least for Napoleonics.

Cheers

Kiwi

Excellent post IMO Kiwi.

In response to Question 1. No, they don't.

Cheers
H

 

[damian]

Maybe Andy can just paint up the Crimean lancers to look like Polish ones

 

[OldDragon]

Well I can accept that most of the Napoleonic troops would be doing substantially the same thing in battle ... but I would also appreciate more skirmishing poses.

As in the Coldstream Guards, I am hoping for a second release of fighting poses. More like ... to supplement the main line.

Most definitely .. would like to have the Polish lancers as the next mounted troops.

For now .. the new Russians are # 1 on my must get list.

OD

 

[jazzeum]

I would think Napoleonic collectors are very happy as they look like some excellent releases.

I hope to buy the armored car although I hope the issue raised above gets resolved. However, I will pick up one or two of those Uhlans.

I also noted (and no one seems to have yet commented) that in connection with the retirement of the EA bagpiper, Andy noticed that they have some things in the works. I may be holding off some purchases until I can see what the EAs are.

 

[red devil]

Whatever! The Armoured car looks great - keep them coming Andy we need more like this!

 

[Harrytheheid]

I would think Napoleonic collectors are very happy as they look like some excellent releases.

I hope to buy the armored car although I hope the issue raised above gets resolved. However, I will pick up one or two of those Uhlans.

I also noted (and no one seems to have yet commented) that in connection with the retirement of the EA bagpiper, Andy noticed that they have some things in the works. I may be holding off some purchases until I can see what the EAs are.

I hope to buy the armored car although I hope the issue raised above gets resolved

What Issue Brad..?? The fact that some people are already claiming that its yet another Fantasy Release..??
I'm not having a go at these members of our happy little band BTW, as we all have our own hot-buttons in this hobby. Each to their own.
Just, if I could only lay my hands on some suitable Askari figures, I'd love to include it in a WWI East African diorama along with a few of the WWI Germans. Accuracy notwithstanding, I think this would be an awesome dio. Might also look good in a pre-WWII Ethiopian dio along with the K&C Italian Blackshirts that come with the AK Panzer II, a la Wilbur Smith's book "Cry Wolf".

Cheers
H

 

[thebritfarmer]

Firstly I don't collect K&C and I haven't been collecting toy soldiers for very long, however I have been collecting farm models for many years.

Regarding the armoured car:

I know that sometimes when a tractor is made it is not exact to the original. This is due to the fact that the real model used by the model manufacturer was not correct to begin with (probably modified by the owner of said vehicle). We have had several issues of inaccuracy crop up and this was one of the reasons.

Perhaps this can be applied to the armoured car Maybe not, just a suggestion.

 

[Pierre]

I hope to buy the armored car although I hope the issue raised above gets resolved

What Issue Brad..?? The fact that some people are already claiming that its yet another Fantasy Release..??

H

Hi Harry-

If it is a fantasy release, it is a fantasy release, no matter how good it looks.

It is important that this fact (if it is the case) be denounced, no matter if you will buy it. It is information and it is an issue.

Pierre.

P.S. I love the Uhlans and the Russian soldiers.

 

[Harrytheheid]

Firstly I don't collect K&C and I haven't been collecting toy soldiers for very long, however I have been collecting farm models for many years.

Regarding the armoured car:

I know that sometimes when a tractor is made it is not exact to the original. This is due to the fact that the real model used by the model manufacturer was not correct to begin with (probably modified by the owner of said vehicle). We have had several issues of inaccuracy crop up and this was one of the reasons.

Perhaps this can be applied to the armoured car Maybe not, just a suggestion.

My stand on this issue is; If it LOOKS RIGHT then it IS RIGHT.
This couldn't be applied to the Rammjaeger, cos to me it just didn't jive....but the Assasination of Heydreich set did.....for me anyway. Besides, if I had the Heydreich set, then I'd use it in a completely different setting anyway.
I'm not saying that those members who are looking for 100% accuracy are wrong - far from it. My point is, if a particular item appeals to me, then I don't care if its not 100% accurate as long as it doesn't look ridiculous. And I might use it in a scenario that is way out of the original setting anyway.
For me, and this is a completely personal point of view, this hobby is all about the enjoyment I myself take out of collecting, displaying and taking photos of the items I purchase. If others want to point out that - Hey Heid, that Han Chinese figure you have in your Imperial display is 2000 years out of time, then that's okay. It doesn't spoil my enjoyment of the display. And anyway, maybe there was a Han-era re-enactment society active during the Imperial period - how do we know if there was or wasn't..
Similarly, how do we actually know that there's some issue about the new K&C WWI German AC..?? Were any of us actually there..?? As an Engineer, I have years of experience of pieces of equipment from a variety of sources being adapted locally to serve a purpose. I've done it myself.
So, no, I wouldn't not buy the new AC just cos I can't find any reference to it in a book. I would certainly buy it if I could dream up a nice display with suitable figures though.

And anyway, if you hang around here for any length of time BF - I guarantee you, you'll be collecting K&C sooner or later....

Cheers
H

 

[Harrytheheid]

Hi Harry-

If it is a fantasy release, it is a fantasy release, no matter how good it looks.

It is important that this fact (if it is the case) be denounced, no matter if you will buy it. It is information and it is an issue.

Pierre.

P.S. I love the Uhlans and the Russian soldiers.

How you doing Pierre...
Please see my previous post on this issue.
If its a fantasy release then those that don't like fantasy releases don't have to buy it - that's their perogative. If however, a collector wants to buy it because he/she likes it, then my personal point of view is, go right ahead Bubba - its your collection.
As I've said in my previous post, I think that yes, we ought to demand better accuracy (I didn't actually say that, but its in the spirit of what I meant), but I can assure you, if I could find suitable figures to include in a display that appeals to me, then I'd have no hesitation in buying the new WWI German AC.

Cheers
H

 

[Pierre]

How you doing Pierre...

H

Hi again, Harry-

I am OK. Back to work after a month and a half.

Your message is quite clear now

Pierre.

 

[blackbeard]

Well here is my two cents on the issue:

I love the armor car! As soon as i saw that little picture on the King and Country web site i knew i had to have it. This being said, I for one like to have historically accurate figures and vehicles in my collection. I love history and i love spending time with friends and family while looking at my collection and explaining to them the stories being the people and vehicles. IF this piece isn't historically accurate, it will disappoint me a bit. But it is a very nice piece and will make a great addition to my collection. I just won't be able to tell the story of the piece to my friends and family, which makes me a bit sad. I would have preferred (IF) a more historically accurate model. But that is life, and nice work to King and Country for doing it.

But keep in mind, during this era, modifications to vehicles was a common thing. I'm sure they did their homework on this one, and like Brad says, i hope to hear from them soon so they could clear it all up for us!

Regards to all those happy collectors out there!

 

[Combat]

H-
I think you may be confusing the point here. Obviously anyone can buy the AC if they like it - even if it never existed and make a fine display. The larger issue is why KC gets it so wrong to begin with? No one has suggested that it needs to be 100% accurate or even close. However, a five second internet search will turn up a lot of information and pictures of the real thing. Is that too much to expect? I don't have any problem with KC producing fantasy sets if they are marketed as such, but my understanding is that their products are intended to represent actual vehicles. I agree that we should give Andy a chance to respond if he has something to add, but absent some further evidence that this is a real AC I think we would have to conclude otherwise.