First Legion scale question (1 Viewer)

[joesgis]

Hi all,

I recently purchased my 1st FL figures, both Romans, and I am very pleased with them in every way. Pics posted by other Treefroggers prior to my purchase were very helpful in determining how FL's Romans would work to beef up the ranks of my Aeroart Romans. I was so happy w/ the FL Romans that I decided to buy my first FL Crusader to again beef up the ranks of the few Aeroart Crusaders I have. Well the Crusader arrived today and it is indeed a exceptional figure, but it is also exceptionally enormous compared to the FL Roman. Yes, the Roman is bending his knees in a defensive posture, but the Crusader, although more erect, is also bending his knees while charging forward on a moderately crowned base. Still, the size discrepancy should not be so pronounced, IMHO.

No, I will not be placing these two figures in the same setting of course, but I'm quite dismayed about this because it was my understanding that FL was "true 60mm". I completely expected to find FL's figures to at least be in harmonious scale with one another across all ranges since they themselves made the effort to define their scale on their own website. I was under the impression that FL held tighter tolerances when it came to scale variance. As you can see the difference in size between the figures is much more than "slight". Things like this are apt to happen now and again when one hasn't seen the product in the flesh before hand. Anyways, here are some pics:

Is this old news...did I miss something?

 

[Simpson & his donkey.]

Hi all,

I recently purchased my 1st FL figures, both Romans, and I am very pleased with them in every way. Pics posted by other Treefroggers prior to my purchase were very helpful in determining how FL's Romans would work to beef up the ranks of my Aeroart Romans. I was so happy w/ the FL Romans that I decided to buy my first FL Crusader to again beef up the ranks of the few Aeroart Crusaders I have. Well the Crusader arrived today and it is indeed a exceptional figure, but it is also exceptionally enormous compared to the FL Roman. Yes, the Roman is bending his knees in a defensive posture, but the Crusader, although more erect, is also bending his knees while charging forward on a moderately crowned base. Still, the size discrepancy should not be so pronounced, IMHO.

No, I will not be placing these two figures in the same setting of course, but I'm quite dismayed about this because it was my understanding that FL was "true 60mm". I completely expected to find FL's figures to at least be in harmonious scale with one another across all ranges since they themselves made the effort to define their scale on their own website. I was under the impression that FL held tighter tolerances when it came to scale variance. As you can see the difference in size between the figures is much more than "slight". Things like this are apt to happen now and again when one hasn't seen the product in the flesh before hand. Anyways, here are some pics:

He is a giant of a bloke. Simmo.{sm3}

 

[artmabigor]

Hello Joe,

I do not understand why such a difference?
Matt is very particular to the quality of its products .....
Bizarre ...... error control service before production??
I collect the NAPS period, and I've never had this problem with them??
Guy.

 

[marco55]

I bought a couple of crusaders a while back and was also struck by how large they were as I thought FL's figures was smaller.Each range has it's own size I suppose as the WWII line is even smaller than the romans I believe.
Mark

 

[Phantom Warrior]

I bought a couple of crusaders a while back and was also struck by how large they were as I thought FL's figures was smaller.Each range has it's own size I suppose as the WWII line is even smaller than the romans I believe.
Mark

I suppose the WWII figures are the smallest because they have to fit with the exact 1/30 scale of the AFVs. Other Series were made larger - they don't have the same size constraint as the WWII figures. I think the FL Crusaders are the largest - about the size of the K&C Crusaders.

Terry

 

[Alex]

I own FL naps, samurais, AWI, one WWII figure and some saracens

FL naps = FL awi = FL wwii = FL samurais size wize

but saracens are way bigger
and that's why I have stopped collecting them
First of all, because I find them too big for my taste but most importantly because this increase in size didn't came with an increase in detailing of the paint
I think that this happened like that and it was not a call by Matt
Actually, I know who is the russian sculptor who did some of these guys for FL. Find him by chance.

Now Correct my if I'm wrong but I think also that FL renaissance figures are also beefier. I have many russian figures which are not going to get along very well with FL figures so I will not collect FL renaissance figures because of that. That's sad but this is going only to leave me more money for FL Naps and samurais.

Cheers

Alex

I suppose the WWII figures are the smallest because they have to fit with the exact 1/30 scale of the AFVs. Other Series were made larger - they don't have the same size constraint as the WWII figures. I think the FL Crusaders are the largest - about the size of the K&C Crusaders.

Terry

 

[marco55]

I agree with Alex as my taste run towards smaller figures.I actually prefer more 1/32 scale than the 1/30 as they fit with my kit figures better.That's why I sold the crusaders I bought.
Mark

 

[Vezzolf]

I suppose the WWII figures are the smallest because they have to fit with the exact 1/30 scale of the AFVs. Other Series were made larger - they don't have the same size constraint as the WWII figures. I think the FL Crusaders are the largest - about the size of the K&C Crusaders.

Terry

Good points Terry.....FL Stalingrad WWII figures are accurate 1:30th and must be in scale harmony with the FL AFV's 1:30th.....Most Importantly however scale must remain consisent wthin a given range.....Hopefully :rolleyes2:

 

[Phantom Warrior]

I prefer the larger figures. While I have quite a few NAPS and a few AWI from FL, plans are to add some "larger size" Crusaders and Renaissance figures.

Terry

 

[HistoryfortheAges]

I agree that as long as the figures are consistent with regards to scale, sculpting and painting style within a particular range/era that FL makes, I think it is fine. However, if FL wants to offer a supplement of figures to other manufacturers that collectors already have such as Aeroart, it would be best to keep the scale and painting style as close as possible to those comparable manufacturers. In my case, I don't mix my FL figures with any other manufacturer therefore, it is inconsequential to me. I am only selectively collecting FL Napoleonic and Samurai ranges right now. I am in bitter debate on starting the Roman range by FL but, so far I have remained disciplined. I would have preferred a well-developed Roman versus Carthage period... I don't believe there are any plans for that, though... Would have been great to see FL tackle a Carthaginian War elephant!

 

[MapleLeaf]

Are the mounted ones a bigger size too?/
like KC's size??
Thanks for info

 

[bearybones]

I feel that my First Legion Crusaders blend quite well with my King & Country Crusaders. They are of equal size, etc. There are some slight exceptions in both lines, but I also realize that not all people are the same size either. In comparing my First Legion Mounted Templar to my K & C mounted knights, the knight and horse's body are the same size, but the FL horse's head seems a tiny bit smaller than its K & C counterparts. Perhaps the FL horse is an Arabian, which I think have slightly smaller heads. Anyway, I.M.O., the First Legion Crusades line ties in well with the K&C Crusades ine

George

 

[kharkov]

They don't look remotely close in size. I would not have expected that size difference based on their website photos and description.

 

[Gebhard]

From the FL Website for those who may have missed it , seems pretty upfront to me . Regards Gebhard

"There are many figures scales out there for both Toy Soldiers and Historical miniature wargames figures and even different classifications within the same scale. Thus, we want to provide you with this simple guide to the scale of our figures. All of our painted figure ranges are 60mm or true 1/30th in scale. Please note that we have changed our descriptions from 54mm to 60mm simply because it more accurately describes the actual size of the figures. We have not changed the size of the figures, only the classifications! If this doesn't fully answer your questions regarding scale, please don't hesitate to contact us.



We are quite often asked about the relative size of our figure ranges as compared to one another. To assist you with this we've take a figure from a few of our ranges and photographed them next to one another. As you can see, most everything is pretty close in size with perhaps the Crusaders being a tiny bit bigger and the WWII being a tiny bit smaller. But generally speaking, the goals of the scales are to be true 1/30th or 60mm but as with any artistic endeavor such as this, some slight variance may exist from sculptor to sculptor!"

 

[marco55]

I don't see a problem with FL's sizes as long as they don't change the size within the same range.Unless your some kind of alternate reality freak, I don't see a dio with crusaders and WWII figures together.One thing they could do though is when they do a new range let us know if they are large,medium,or small.
Mark

 

[MapleLeaf]

To me this picture shows 3 different sizes
WW2 are on small size as crusaders on bigger size (KC)
seems that Naps AWI and Romans looks on same size or scale
So FL has 3 different scale small medium and large
What makes the different in size is the sculptor
different sculptor different size
I hope they keep the same sculptor for the same range

 

[Gideon]

more protein in the crusaders diet?

 

[Fusilier]

I realize that a lot of collectors desire the figures from different manufacturers to be a uniform size. Given the amount of money we all invest in this hobby, many people want their purchases to work togethr. That fact that this happens quite frequently, or even at all, is a testament to the quality of the different companies. Personally, I feel the more important factor is that a specific series from a specific company should all be the same size and have the same proportionality.

For example, my FL AWI collection is perfect in this regard. The releases thus far are obviously meant to be displayed together. However, if I had figures from other companies, I wouldn't expect them to automatically fit with my FL collection.

Noah

 

[RedBaron]

How does FL WW2 scale fit im with Figarti WW2? Are the figures in sacle with each other? How about the vehicles? Anyone own both brands that can give me some incite on the how they work out together? Some pictures would be great!

 

[Gebhard]

How does FL WW2 scale fit im with Figarti WW2? Are the figures in sacle with each other? How about the vehicles? Anyone own both brands that can give me some incite on the how they work out together? Some pictures would be great!

Hallo ,
Please see the thread a couple down started by Tommy416 Called Play Time its a link to Photo's of his very nice FL and Figarti collection and IMO they look very nice together .. Regards Gebhard