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It’s just a different business model than W. Britain’s. They always announce products well in advance.
 
I bet with a few forum members that FL will not get pinned down on a time frame. Even with a 2 year latitude. And I won the amount for 4 pieces. Thanks FL... There are just times where its predictable.. Bet the same amount. That the limber will not be out withim a year
.long term bet..
 
For me FL can do no wrong! They produced two series that I always wanted and that other makers either ignored or slighted.......Renaissance Landsknechts and the Macedonian Phalanx along with Alexander and his Companion Cavalry.
I also collect the Vietnam Range and some SYW figures. I don't know how popular these series were but they were both well done and extensive enough for some great dioramas.
For Alexander and his Macedonians I can now add TG figures (along with upcoming Persian Cavalry and infantry in action) so this is a win win for me.
Would like to see more Renaissance figures but perhaps JJD's upcoming Conquistadores (Conquest of America series) can be used for the Spanish troops at Pavia.
Point is that there are great choices out there and we can always combine or customize figures from different makers.
From someone who has been collecting for almost 60 years the choices and quality has never been better. I just don't get the complaining!!!!
 
As Rich said, they can do very little wrong as they make some great ranges like 30 Years War, Seven Years War, Wild West, Renaissance. Practically all of my collecting dollars goes to them.
 
jazzeum said:
As Rich said, they can do very little wrong as they make some great ranges like 30 Years War, Seven Years War, Wild West, Renaissance. Practically all of my collecting dollars goes to them.
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Me too!
 
I think FL is one of the best, as you have said, my take is at least give the courtesy of at least be kind enough. To. Inform if something is in the near future (within 6 months) or more. So you can plan , how to allocate the money Because right now if you are a FL fan. Tough cookies.. You are in the dark.. And there is nothing you can do about
It. Other manufacturers will at least give some specific time, summer, fall, winter offering as a courtesy... It makes it seem that FL dors not even know what is coming out after this month, or next. Or rather they do not kno what is going to be readu after the months new releases..
 
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spartan71 said:
I think FL is one of the best, as you have said, my take is at least give the courtesy of at least be kind enough. To. Inform if something is in the near future (within 6 months) or more. So you can plan , how to allocate the money Because right now if you are a FL fan. Tough cookies.. You are in the dark.. And there is nothing you can do about
It. Other manufacturers will at least give some specific time, summer, fall, winter offering as a courtesy... It makes it seem that FL dors not even know what is coming out after this month, or next. Or rather they do not kno what is going to be readu after the months new releases..
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You have a good point on giving some guidance for future releases. Perhaps it is the hesitancy to give competitors any foresight or waiting to see how a new line sells before committing to more.
FL did give some guidance on the Renaissance series when they mentioned French Cavalry after the Landsknechts for Pavia were released.
It does help financial planning when you know how a series will be expanded and some timetables (although not written in stone!).
TG has been good at giving some notice of future releases, JJD will do it selectively and K&C has gotten better at giving us "hints" and intentions.
It's a marketing decision that weighs customer satisfaction with production challenges and competition concerns.
 
I don't really worry that much about what is coming and when they are coming out because I collect a variety of ranges -- Napoleonics, Thirty Years War, Renaissance, Seven Years War, Wild West and Civil War -- and there are still many existing figures that I wish to purchase. I suppose knowing what's going to be released might be an issue if you've purchased all of the figures in the ranges but I don't think there are many collectors like that.
 
Those that have a budget, like me. May want to know, so we can pass up some other figures if lets say the elephant will be coming soon. One of the things I missed out on was the M60 tank. Because I bought other things that I should have passed on. I do not have deep pockets. Just in the passed week I bought the 92nd Standard Bearer, but have ro pass on the John Jenkins Corsair. And I wont be kickinc myself if sells out. But if I bought the Corsair, and missed the opportunity of owning the Gordon. I would be kicking myself.
As like many of us, collectors wants to keep adding.. But not to the expense of missing ouf on something we really want......
 
It would be ideal if manufacturers would disclose their release schedule a year in advance so collectors could pick and choose what they wish to buy but that's not very realistic. Instead of looking at it from the collector point of view, look at it from the manufacturer point of view. Their job is to sell product, not necessarily to make it easy for you or to help you or other manufacturers. We all wish this were a wonderful world where we could pick one from column A and one from column B, without having to worry what might be on column C but that's not just the way the world works. Don't assume manufacturers are here to help you; they're not. They want you to decide to buy what's in front of you, without knowing what's coming down the road.
 
spartan71 said:
Those that have a budget, like me. May want to know, so we can pass up some other figures if lets say the elephant will be coming soon.
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We are a business and one thing we must very carefully avoid doing is providing too much advanced information such that customers aren't purchasing what we make today in favor of holding off for what's coming tomorrow. So we give enough of our intentions away to provide information about a series to spark interest or some general guidance of future direction, but try not to give too much away as we always want the focus to remain on what we are doing now, not what we are doing tomorrow.
 
jazzeum said:
It would be ideal if manufacturers would disclose their release schedule a year in advance so collectors could pick and choose what they wish to buy but that's not very realistic. Instead of looking at it from the collector point of view, look at it from the manufacturer point of view. Their job is to sell product, not necessarily to make it easy for you or to help you or other manufacturers. We all wish this were a wonderful world where we could pick one from column A and one from column B, without having to worry what might be on column C but that's not just the way the world works. Don't assume manufacturers are here to help you; they're not. They want you to decide to buy what's in front of you, without knowing what's coming down the road.
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This sums it up very nicely Brad, though I might have used different words. If customers are constantly deferring to what's coming later, what's coming later may never come because each release is in some ways dependent on the success of previous releases.....
 
And that is what I AM a collector, its the money that I provide that makes everything possible... Not the thought of an artist/ sculptor, nor a persons concept/ or idea , nor is it the painter.that will provide the funding.. For what ever is in the future. We are what is needed most, to make anything possible.. We are the investor... You tell me in if the company needs someone to invests in, and that company gives no clear goals of what is expected within a year. Will someone invest?? Will someones interest peak or die without knowing the goal.. It can't be in this particular instance, be...
"There will be something, a figure, maybe napoleonic, maybe WWI, possibly WWII, there is a chance it will be Cowboys, an Elephant (Roman, Carthagian, we don t know yet). But there will be something..."
maybe as collectors we should not buy, anything past our current interests.
Then we finally as investors, have control of what is being made, not what they hope we get hooked on....
 
spartan71 said:
Those that have a budget, like me. May want to know, so we can pass up some other figures if lets say the elephant will be coming soon. One of the things I missed out on was the M60 tank. Because I bought other things that I should have passed on. I do not have deep pockets. Just in the passed week I bought the 92nd Standard Bearer, but have ro pass on the John Jenkins Corsair. And I wont be kickinc myself if sells out. But if I bought the Corsair, and missed the opportunity of owning the Gordon. I would be kicking myself.
As like many of us, collectors wants to keep adding.. But not to the expense of missing ouf on something we really want......
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I think with the sheer range of interesting products coming out from a variety of manufacturers these days, there's no point kicking yourself too hard if you " miss something" , as sooner (rather than later) an item or range at least as good ( maybe better) will be released anyway, to satisfy the collector urge.
 
.... Have you seen th FL M-60...? Sheer..... Anyone that has it will never part with it. Without $$$ added to sell it...and I mean the 3 numbers without any changs...
 
Without prolonging this debate too much longer, we are consumers, not investors. Investors own a portion of the company, collectors do not; they buy a product. Purchasing a product does not make you an investor. The company re-pays the investment. In the case of a public company, this may be in the form of a dividend.

Investors in a non-public company are entitled to information about a company but collectors are not investors; they don’t own a part of the company. That’s the difference. Moreover, in a public company, shareholders are only entitled to what is publicly available through reports filed with the SEC. Anything more would be a violation of law.
 
Brad as you said not to prolong it any more.. Lets just say you see it your way, I will see it... We are both entitled.. But I am in the flip side of things I am holding off on what I buy, again because of the fear of missing on the one that i have been waiting for and like. If I knew what the future holds then there is comfortable lattitude...
 
In an ideal world I see your point, but can’t this argument be made for every product in the world? Do I buy new sneakers, or wait, new car, or wait?
Especially buying a house. Who knows what will be on the market a week after you purchase?
 
spartan71 said:
Brad as you said not to prolong it any more.. Lets just say you see it your way, I will see it... We are both entitled.. But I am in the flip side of things I am holding off on what I buy, again because of the fear of missing on the one that i have been waiting for and like. If I knew what the future holds then there is comfortable latitude...
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I definitely see your point of view but I've arrived at the point where I see both sides of the argument now. The light went on for me about 10 or so years ago when Figarti in the space of a month announced several new releases that I wanted. Of course, there were several new K & C releases I wanted to but I couldn't afford all of them. My immediate reaction was like yours until the light went on and realized that Figarti wanted me to spend money on theirs and wasn't worried about what other companies did. Bingo!

zblang said:
In an ideal world I see your point, but can’t this argument be made for every product in the world? Do I buy new sneakers, or wait, new car, or wait?
Especially buying a house. Who knows what will be on the market a week after you purchase?
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Correct. A few weeks ago, I was looking for a rare CD and found it in Japan and was quite pleased with myself. It cost a little more than I wanted to spend but so be it. Last night I saw another copy on eBay for a fraction of the price. My initial reaction was to hit the roof but I quickly calmed down and thought "such is life."
 
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