FL Scale (3 Viewers)

[Firebat]

That is a good idea..... But I will use TCS Stug with the TCS Tiger in a scene one day and not worry sbout it.......I like to be accurate but there is always a little wiggle room. For the most part The senario I outlined in the previous post works for me. I could actually tell by eye that 1/30 stuff was obviously too large to use with FL.

I don't care about the numbers. I can tell by feel if it is in the ball park. I want to do a lot more work with FL products and I will continue to "Feel" what I think works with them. We will see what others think when the projects come to life. But I will not loose sleep over it, I am confident in my decision and the reputation of BSP.

 

[FirstLegion]

I could actually tell by eye that 1/30 stuff was obviously too large to use with FL. .

So our 1/30th scale stug is too large to use with our 1/30th scale figures?

 

[Gebhard]

SAME SCALE???Mike B

{eek3} Same scale {eek3} the question should be same planet {eek3} even with a photo taken soo far away showing very little detail in both the sculpt and painting , I would hope even our wives would be able to tell the difference in quality . As for matching First Legion up in scale with several other manufactures mentioned......... good luck as most misrepresent their true scale or change it to fit in with what a lot of guys have in their collections so they make sales .

As this is a First Legion thread I think I'm entitled to wave the flag or whatever its called , and say the truth for me which is if First legions WWII line matched perfectly with what is currently on the market , I would not be buying them . First Legion got me back into WWII , part of me wishes they would never have produced a WWII line as it has taken funds away from my Napoleonic Collection but thats water under the bridge at this point . Regards Gebhard

 

[Vezzolf]

I completely agree Gebhard.....First Legion figures and AFV's are true 1:30th scale....Other major manufacturers namely K/C and CS claim to be 1:30th but are really much closer to 1:28th........Figarti figures seem to vary in size a bit but I believe their AFV's are "very close" to 1:30th if not right on.....Place a First Legion figure against a true 1:35th scale Dragon figure and the difference will be quite obvious....First Legion is 1:30th....and surely... obviously....the best sculpted/painted WWII figures out there today... First Legion Price/Quality Ratios are appropriate for the excellent products delivered....IMHO

 

[Firebat]

I don't want to argue numbers, if you say they are true 1/30 that is OK by me. I am just trying to see if they fit with any other manufacturers stuff so I can develop more scenes with them.....But really for the most part they don't, and that is fine......

I hope they produce a lot more stuff, so I will not have to be concerned with matching them up with other manufacturers.

 

[Vezzolf]

I don't want to argue numbers, if you say they are true 1/30 that is OK by me. I am just trying to see if they fit with any other manufacturers stuff so I can develop more scenes with them.....But really for the most part they don't, and that is fine......

I hope they produce a lot more stuff, so I will not have to be concerned with matching them up with other manufacturers.

Firebat, I also hope FL will produce more... especially AFV Tanks; since they are likely the ONLY manufacturer who has 1:30th scale correct....At least they are producing what they say they are......Accurately and Consistently.....In a way, I'm glad they "don't fit" with other manufacturers since their products are of higher quality and better lend themselves to realistic diorama scenes...they do seem to match up well with Aeroart....Best Regards Frank

 

[tdubel]

Firebat, I also hope FL will produce more... especially AFV Tanks; since they are likely the ONLY manufacturer who has 1:30th scale correct....At least they are producing what they say they are......Accurately and Consistently.....In a way, I'm glad they "don't fit" with other manufacturers since their products are of higher quality and better lend themselves to realistic diorama scenes...they do seem to match up well with Aeroart....Best Regards Frank

I usually don't care about this stuff, but I have 2 points to add here:

1. Figarti today is producing dead on 1/30 vehicles 99% of time.
2. Sorry, FL is not in the same "class" as Thor and Aeroart, that is insulting to Aeroart. Thor's figures have been and still are the gold standard in manufactured figures today. There are other Russian items out there that are even better, but for regularly manufactured figures, Thor and Aeroart are in a class by themselves. Not a knock on FL , but in my opinion, they are no where near each other. When I buy an Aeroart figure, to me it is like picking out artwork.

IMO

TD

 

[Phantom Warrior]

I usually don't care about this stuff, but I have 2 points to add here:

1. Figarti today is producing dead on 1/30 vehicles 99% of time.
2. Sorry, FL is not in the same "class" as Thor and Aeroart, that is insulting to Aeroart. Thor's figures have been and still are the gold standard in manufactured figures today. There are other Russian items out there that are even better, but for regularly manufactured figures, Thor and Aeroart are in a class by themselves. Not a knock on FL , but in my opinion, they are no where near each other. When I buy an Aeroart figure, to me it is like picking out artwork.

IMO

TD

The K&C and TGM AFVs have been 1:30 scale for the last several years. It's the figures that are larger at about 1:28. Same for Figarti. And yes, FL is the only company making both AFVs and WWII figures at 1:30.

Terry

 

[debrito]

I have been in this forum since 2007 and this issue of scale never ends, is unbelievable how some still constipated with this....Just move on....

 

[MC BOWEN]

SAME SCALE???Mike B

{eek3} Same scale {eek3} the question should be same planet {eek3} even with a photo taken soo far away showing very little detail in both the sculpt and painting , I would hope even our wives would be able to tell the difference in quality . As for matching First Legion up in scale with several other manufactures mentioned......... good luck as most misrepresent their true scale or change it to fit in with what a lot of guys have in their collections so they make sales .

As this is a First Legion thread I think I'm entitled to wave the flag or whatever its called , and say the truth for me which is if First legions WWII line matched perfectly with what is currently on the market , I would not be buying them . First Legion got me back into WWII , part of me wishes they would never have produced a WWII line as it has taken funds away from my Napoleonic Collection but thats water under the bridge at this point . Regards Gebhard

First i love First Legion have no problem with any range except WW11 which on the website they say are made to go on their own.MY FL Romans are larger than my FL ww11--SAME sCALE??

 

[MC BOWEN]

You guys had me doubting myself. So I sit here now at my desk with one of every manufacturers figures I own. Right here right now. I am looking at them as I am typing. And I can tell you with NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUBT they are the ABSOLUTE SMALLEST and they are even smaller than Britains 1/32nd scale. That includes guns packs and everything.

I am using them with the 1/32nd Figarti Tiger, just as I thought from the begining. And that is excellent because the Figarti Tiger is of a caliber that justifies the FL Figures.

Whatever they are they are super cool !

OH and my wife just confirmed also. Alex

They are super cool ---and they are small.I agree totally.Mike B.

 

[MC BOWEN]

First i love First Legion have no problem with any range except WW11 which on the website they say are made to go on their own.MY FL Romans are larger than my FL ww11--SAME sCALE??

Gebhard i love FL and think you are a great guy --i read nearly all your posts --just stating my opinion please do not take it as an insult. Mike B.

 

[uksubs]

As far as FL and Figarti......I love Figarti stuff and we are friends with Rick and Peter, but their figures have been all over the lot. Excellent, good, bad, small, tall, 1/32 and 1/30. So they can be compatable with everything and nothing.

I am looking at the Figarti Reichsbahn figures, which I thought were a small 1/30 for Figarti. They are still quite large compared to FL. The only thing I feel comfortable with right now is matching the original Figarti 1/32 Tiger with FL. I have a winter one which is looking good. We will throw it in a quick setup shortly.

Stay tuned to THE GREAT CRUSADE we will be matching up a lot of stuff. Alex

Looking forward to seeing the Figarti tiger with FL figures Alex

 

[tdubel]

I have been in this forum since 2007 and this issue of scale never ends, is unbelievable how some still constipated with this....Just move on....

To me, truer words never written! I hear ya. Toy Soldiers for me are more about looks, preference and just generally what I like. That said, I am not a model builder, I like stuff that looks good to my eyes.

TD

 

[Phantom Warrior]

I have been in this forum since 2007 and this issue of scale never ends, is unbelievable how some still constipated with this....Just move on....

To me, truer words never written! I hear ya. Toy Soldiers for me are more about looks, preference and just generally what I like. That said, I am not a model builder, I like stuff that looks good to my eyes.

TD

I almost agree with your posts - scale isn't that complicated. But as someone who buys all his AFVs over the internet not ever seeing them first in person, the discussions on model quality and scale are important to me. I bought an AFV specifically to go with some AFVs I had from 2 other manufacturers only to get the rude surprise that the new model was a different scale. It looked horrible with the other AFVs. So I think that as long as the manufacturers continue to change scales and use different scales from each other, the discussions on scale will continue

Terry

 

[jazzeum]

I have been in this forum since 2007 and this issue of scale never ends, is unbelievable how some still constipated with this....Just move on....

True Rod but I think a lot of people who have never been involved in the discussion before or who didn't even know there were discussions are just simply asking a question.

 

[Mitch]

I think collectors will only ''move on'' when manufacturers do the simple easy thing and put a correct size to what they are selling. Its rather simple, if you say 1/30th then do that. Its not rocket science and is very easy don't faff around trying to remake the wheel with strange explanations or what have you and, then collectors will not have to have this discussion.

I welcome all these discussions for new collectors and, those in Terry's position. Its too expensive a hobby to be mislead by scale

Collectors who are sick of these discussions can ignore them or, complain to the manufacturers or, offer them the simple conversion to make what they put on the box
Mitch

 

[Firebat]

SIZE ( Not scale ) is of utmost importance to those of us who who like to do dioramas which involve multi manufacturer products. Nick and I are not trying to support or put down any manufacturers ( Although in private we do have our favorites ).. We just like to see what works with what. It is as simple as that, and the only purpose we brought up the subject matter.

We personally know what we think, after working with most of the popular manufacturers products, but we brought up this topic to promote diorama building, and to help assist those with the same interest. One complement we have been getting is we inspire many to try their hand at putting their figures in scenes, and we want to provide sound help to them, with help of knowledgeable members of the forum, and with no agenda.


Mitch you do tell it like it is and I admire that {bravo}}

And Rod you have been getting a bit grumpy as of late. I thought we were on the same team. You have thrown some subtle shots at us ^&confuse

 

[MC BOWEN]

True Rod but I think a lot of people who have never been involved in the discussion before or who didn't even know there were discussions are just simply asking a question.

THANK YOU FOR POINTING THIS OUT TO THE VET'S HERE SOME OF THE NEWER GUYS DO NOT KNOW HOW MANY TIMES THIS HAS BEEN GONE OVER AND FOUGHT OVER .i KNOW I WILL NOT GET INTO FL AND SCALE AGAIN.Thanks Mike B.

 

[Ken & Ericka Osen/H&A Studio]

Hi again,
I think this subject is useful to visit from time to time, and it should not be offensive to anyone. It is important to chat with new collectors about what scale means and what the various labels manufactures use for marketing represents.

I respect each collector has his own view on many of these subjects, and in the end everyone is right about their own collections.
As both a professional and a collector in this industry I have my own views too. Here are a few thoughts as a professional...

I would have to disagree with the statement made about concept of size vs scale in diorama building. You must have a standard to work with to know how to scale all of the components. This is just as important in dioramas that use forced perspective and selective compression to represent real world footprints that are too large to faithfully replicate.

A known scale is the foundation of any good miniature.

I would also agree that manufacturers should be more thoughtful in correct labeling as far as scale is concerned. Often the market forces in play at any given time will encourage a manufacturer to state a scale that does not represent the product they are marketing. In some case I believe some design houses may not even really understand what the proportional fractions used in scale really mean.

For the most part the plastic model, model railroad and die cast collectibles industries have finally figures it out, and at some point we may also see more standardization in the collectible military miniatures market.

As a collector I have a bit of this and that, but in many cases I can only use a few manufactures products in any one diorama because of the frustrating lack of standards.
It seems like a few of the companies are starting to create more vehicles that are close to the stated scales they market under, but the military figures and the equipment they are carrying still seem to be very stylized from one brand to another.

All the Best,
Ken