GREY 88 a late dispatch!! (1 Viewer)

[wayne556517]

why were these painted camo anyway? I was just reading Jentz's book & only 10 were made...served in Poland, France, & Russia, and were wiped out by 3/43

So we could ask "Why are these camo and repaint them" its half the fun.......................^&grin
Im just happy K&C made one because there,s a huge chance no one else would of and i wouldn't have my brilliant re-painted one.
(I have one of each)

 

[Mike97]

Great looking piece !!! There's just something about grey German vehicles...
mike

 

[Blowtorch]

So we could ask "Why are these camo and repaint them" its half the fun.......................^&grin

No, I can understand that, because as released they look like eye vomit

 

[Blowtorch]

look at how big that beast was. Must have been a sight seeing that thing come down the road

 

[kilted vampire]

I want to paint them all grey! Panzer grau! I want it. I love it I want more of it!{bravo}}{bravo}}{bravo}}

 

[PanzerAce1944]

Awesome group of gray German armor you have there Cobber. ! {bravo}}

 

[wayne556517]

Awesome group of gray German armor you have there Cobber. ! {bravo}}

Cheers PA like the Vamp said i would get it all painted GREY.........................^&grin

 

[Mitch]

Blowtorch...

Great pic. Not much protection for the crew but, it is a cracking AFV
Mitch

 

[oozlum]

No, I can understand that, because as released they look like eye vomit

is that why they have no resale value?

 

[Mitch]

What is the resale value??
Mitch

is that why they have no resale value?

 

[oozlum]

What is the resale value??
Mitch

Without looking at the excellent database (the link to which I don't have to hand) I think the list price is $239? I bought one from Canada a year or two ago for lower than list price - $179 I think, but got clobbered on shipping. Still, I bought it because I love field guns (and 88s). Every time one comes up on eBay I watch it - and I've not seen one sell yet. I guess a non-grey version just isnt popular, though I guess I might get a sale at...$150? Not that I would - I like it.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

What is the resale value??
Mitch

One of my purchase mistakes. It really should have been grey and I think that is why it didn't sell well. It has an excellent crew of 5 figures (out of an actual crew of 9) List was $239 and the few that sell on ebay sold at $179 - $299. There are only two on ebay now - listed as buy it nows at $239 and $265.


8.8cm Flak 18 Selbstfahrlafette auf Zugkraftwagen was on a 12 ton Sd.Kfz8 halftrack. Only 10 were made and they were very effective in Poland in 1939 and France 1940. They were one of the few guns that could take out a Matilda or a Char B. Rommel used them to stop a breakthrough of Matildas counter-attacking at Arras. They were used by 8th Schwere Panzerjaegerabteilungin. The last one was reported destroyed in Russia in 1943.

What was interesting about the weapon was it was so successful, it became the forerunner of other self propelled 88's on better chassis like the Pz. III (Hornisse) and Pz. IV (Nashorn) and eventually became the Elefant and Jagdpanther.

But the first one was grey.

Terry

 

[Phantom Warrior]

on ebay sold at $179 - $299.

Terry

Typo - the few that sold on ebay were $179 - $199 , not $299. :redface2:

Terry

 

[Blowtorch]

It has an excellent crew of 5 figures (out of an actual crew of 9)

9 might be a typo on the web. jentz's book has the crew set at 4. Another guy standing on the platform might have caused the whole rig to collapse! {sm4}

It's an interesting vehicle from another viewpoint too, as it is built on the SdKfz 8 chassis, which is not common to modelers. The SdKfz 7 & 11 have always been popular, with the FAMO coming in recent years, but the 8 is still a novelty.

This is a good site for all things German truckish:

http://www.kfzderwehrmacht.de/Homepage_english/homepage_english.html

I never got one either. If it had been in grey with early war crew, I would have. But never as is. Now to discover it is in a fantasy paint job...well...it's another "what the expletive was he thinking" moment

 

[Phantom Warrior]

9 might be a typo on the web. jentz's book has the crew set at 4. Another guy standing on the platform might have caused the whole rig to collapse! {sm4}

It's an interesting vehicle from another viewpoint too, as it is built on the SdKfz 8 chassis, which is not common to modelers. The SdKfz 7 & 11 have always been popular, with the FAMO coming in recent years, but the 8 is still a novelty.

This is a good site for all things German truckish:

http://www.kfzderwehrmacht.de/Homepage_english/homepage_english.html

I never got one either. If it had been in grey with early war crew, I would have. But never as is. Now to discover it is in a fantasy paint job...well...it's another "what the expletive was he thinking" moment

The full crew is 9 men plus a driver. Even K&C had a add-on set of 6 to go with their early classic 88.

To engage ground targets, the position numbers and position names are:

1. Detachment Commander
2. Elevation setter
3. Azimuth-setter
4. Firing Gunner/Loader
5. 6. &7. Ammunition Handlers
8 Range Setter
9 Lateral deflection setter

By painting it grey as Obee did - that is how it looked in photos from WWII. I think the crew uniforms would work with the grey vehicle in late 1942 - early 1943 in Russia, but not in Poland or France 1939 - 1940

Terry

 

[Mitch]

Terry..

Most of the crew are fine apart from the camo to the hats!!!! and, the guy with the range finder and the camo jacket he was wearing. The figures when I did two were easy enough to change to early war but, the range finder was always an issue.

If K&C did one now we would probably get the full crew as add ons which, would have made the set better.
Mitch

The full crew is 9 men plus a driver. Even K&C had a add-on set of 6 to go with their early classic 88.

To engage ground targets, the position numbers and position names are:

1. Detachment Commander
2. Elevation setter
3. Azimuth-setter
4. Firing Gunner/Loader
5. 6. &7. Ammunition Handlers
8 Range Setter
9 Lateral deflection setter

By painting it grey as Obee did - that is how it looked in photos from WWII. I think the crew uniforms would work with the grey vehicle in late 1942 - early 1943 in Russia, but not in Poland or France 1939 - 1940

Terry

 

[Blowtorch]

The full crew is 9 men plus a driver.

Nope. It's really 4. Don't know how they did it...but it's true. Jentz has training manual excerpts for both the S.P. 88 in question & the towed 88, and the towed is 9 like you say. But for the halftrack version, it's four...a gun captain, two gunners, & one driver. The driver stays in the drivers seat, the captain is on deck behind the cab, and the two gunners are behind the shield; says the captain is responsible for giving the range.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Nope. It's really 4. Don't know how they did it...but it's true. Jentz has training manual excerpts for both the S.P. 88 in question & the towed 88, and the towed is 9 like you say. But for the halftrack version, it's four...a gun captain, two gunners, & one driver. The driver stays in the drivers seat, the captain is on deck behind the cab, and the two gunners are behind the shield; says the captain is responsible for giving the range.

I don't know how they would operate with that few crew. How would they adjust the gun for moving tank targets?

Here is a photo of the halftrack mounted 88 with the 9 man crew.

 

[Blowtorch]

Now THAT'S something I could drive to work every day

 

[Phantom Warrior]

I checked a photo archive and it looks like in some photos there were only 4 or 5 crew on the vehicle. I suppose they could fire over open sights with fewer crew.

Is your reference Panzer Tracts No. 12?

Terry