Highland Light Infantry Band (2 Viewers)

Yes - I see the differences between them. Quite obviously I will need to make the Drum Band 2nd battalion. I think it might be nice to have 4 Pipers 1st and the other 4, as 2nd Btn. I'll work out the buglers - when I get there.

Great illustrations - thanks once again Trooper. If you think of - or find anything else - please give me a shout. I'll continue with the Military Band in the meantime - but with Scottish yellow facings. Will copy all so far to my HLI file for future reference. jb
 
trooper said:
2nd Btn Bugle Major did not wear wings, had officer's style twisted shoulder cords instead. Attached are some pictures you might find useful. The stand of colours is similar to the image on the front of the 2nd Btn drums. Note the lace on the piper's wings showing the differences between the 1st and 2nd. The regiment reverted to buff facings in 1899 but the differences weren't reconciled until 1906 when the uniforms were standardised. New buff colours were presented in 1902.
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Have you any pictures of a musician pouch and cross belt being worn?.

Martin
 
Martin Tabony said:
Have you any pictures of a musician pouch and cross belt being worn?.

Martin
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Cross belts not worn. Musician's pouches worn on waist belt as shown on the attached. Trooper
 

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I thought not, it's just that my figures must be based on that Tuesday morning they tried it out once!^&grin

Martin
 
Was this the Tuesday morning? I found this picture some time ago - with around forty members in the band picture. It shows one side and bass drum and the usual mix of instruments - so I had it down as 1st Btn. Something odd at the top left - as the Bombardon there is being carried so that the horn appears over his RIGHT shoulder?? Most members also have a white(could be buff) cross-belt going under the chest-plaid - and from right shoulder downwards. I thought that this was a musicians pouch belt???

I don't have any information on where or when the pic was taken - but by the general quality - assume early 1900's? My band figure was being based on this picture - so has a white cross belt ( as my castings have a faint one cast in). Easy to remove - so won't go any further until we clear this point up. My pic shows the belt being worn??? Can't see any pouch on the waist belts - even on the laddies at the end of the line (right of pic). Any ideas as to what this belt is????

Incidentally - my musician castings have a short sword with plain brass hilt hanging from the waist belt on the left side - just where the pouch is being shown in Trooper's illustration. If I follow that illustration - I need to remove the sword and make up a pouch. However, that will ignore the photo evidence of the band below. Tricky. jb

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JB,

are you planning the whole 40 soldiers in your band ???

Thats 80 legs of tartan... not to mention 40 over the shoulder plaids........

That should keep you busy this year :) :)

Keep up the fine work...

John
 
johnnybach said:
Was this the Tuesday morning? I found this picture some time ago - with around forty members in the band picture. It shows one side and bass drum and the usual mix of instruments - so I had it down as 1st Btn. Something odd at the top left - as the Bombardon there is being carried so that the horn appears over his RIGHT shoulder?? Most members also have a white(could be buff) cross-belt going under the chest-plaid - and from right shoulder downwards. I thought that this was a musicians pouch belt???

I don't have any information on where or when the pic was taken - but by the general quality - assume early 1900's? My band figure was being based on this picture - so has a white cross belt ( as my castings have a faint one cast in). Easy to remove - so won't go any further until we clear this point up. My pic shows the belt being worn??? Can't see any pouch on the waist belts - even on the laddies at the end of the line (right of pic). Any ideas as to what this belt is????

Incidentally - my musician castings have a short sword with plain brass hilt hanging from the waist belt on the left side - just where the pouch is being shown in Trooper's illustration. If I follow that illustration - I need to remove the sword and make up a pouch. However, that will ignore the photo evidence of the band below. Tricky. jb

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Thanks for that Jonny, I knew I'd based the figures on something but it was about 15 years ago and I can't remember what I did with the references!:) It's possible that this is after the standardised uniform Trooper mentioned.

Martin
 
Obee said:
JB,

are you planning the whole 40 soldiers in your band ???

Hi John - No - not the whole lot. I plan on making 30 musicians plus a Drum Major - which will give me six ranks of five abreast. So - a few were on sick parade or excused duties or on leave on that day.

My Military Band will look like this:

Front rank: Two Bombardons and three trombones.
Second Rank:Two Euphoniums, two Tenor Horns , Tuba
Third rank: Two French Horns ,Three Cornets
Fourth Rank: Three Saxophones, Two Fifes
Fifth Rank: Three Clarinets, Two Bassoons
Sixth Rank: Two Side drums, Two cymbals, Bass Drum

I know that I have two side-drums - but like to have a symetrical layout - so have included an extra one.

The Pipe Drum and bugle band will head the Military Band - and I have planned out the following for that:

Pipe band - 8 Pipers in two ranks of four to march behind the Regimental Drum Major. These will be drawn from both Battalions - and each will field a Pipe-Major - dressing from the right.

Drums: Seven side-drums, 5 Tenor Drums and a Bass Drum ( this element will march in three ranks behind the Pipers - five side-drums in the front rank. two side-drums and bass Drum in centre rank, and five Tenor Drums in the third rank).

Bugles ten Buglers ( A bit unclear at the moment - but two ranks of five - but may also include a Bugle Major marching with a cane).

So yes - a lot of tartan legs, eight kilts and plaids to paint in Mackenzie tartan., so that will keep me busy for a wee while. I'm looking to make it a long-term project though - as Rome wasn't built in a day. Just take each element as it comes - and sooner or later - it will get done. I did a similar sized set of two bands, Colour Party and Escort for the Gordons - and they still look good to me, as they fill one entitre shelf of a cabinet. This one will have Light Infantry Buglers as well - so will be a bit larger at 80+ figures to the set once all is completed.

All the best - johnnybach
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Hoots yersell laddie - Canna been my pipes - 'cos I havenna starrted 'em yet!^&grin

However, it could have been my bombardon - see below. Here's a wee update on how I'm doing. As you can see, I have changed the facing colour to yellow - after some timely advice from my old chum Trooper ( for which - many thanks, once again). However, I'm going with a white cross-belt under the chest plaid - as in my photograph ( which probably means taking the date on into the 1900's - but I'm not hung up too much about that). It probably fits in better with what I've been reding about the overseas deployments of these two Battalions - with one being on "home" duties - whilst the other was normally VERY busy, somewhere else in the Empire after the Cardwell reform of 1881.

As you may see - I'm working on the top half of these castings first - and getting the head elements sorted out before fitting arms, instruments and adding in the "wings" to each musicians shoulders. Some of my castings have some rudimentary wings attached - whilst others don't. I have found that it will look far better though, if I make up a new set of wings for EVERY musician figure - so that they all look the same. I'll show you how I do that quite soon, when I come to fitting on the arms. Tartan to paint for chest and shoulder plaid to come before that though.

By the way - the Waterproof pen (black) is used to draw in the top lid and pupil of the eyes ( see second figure in without them). A little trick I picked up from an expert painter a while ago. Makes things much easier - as I hope you can see. About £1 each in most stationary shops - and lasts for quite a while. (Make certain it says waterproof though. This make is recommended.). jb

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Perhaps that twas it, the soond disnae travel all the well across the water though. ^&grin
 
You cannie mistake a bombardon - sounds like an elephant with gas!

Back to more mundane matters - here we go with the beginnings of the tartan plaid. Remember, I won't be doing the trews just yet - but the top part of the plaid - which goes across the chest - and the part that drapes down the back.

Holding onto the base and boots of the figure with the non brush-holding hand - overlay the basic blue of the plaid already painted, paint on a grid of green ( I use Humbrol Oxford Blue [104] for the base - and Army Green[102] for the grid). Make the green stripes big enough to still show - as with this Tartan we are going to overlay thinner stripes of white and red later ( i.e tomorrow - as I want this to be perfectly dry). Check ot the front and rear view of the figure below. Don't worry too much about keeping the stripes perfectly aligned - as this is material, which does move around. Do try to keep the blue squares that you have created a similar size though.

Back later with a bit more. jb

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When the new paint is dry enough - the next step is to run a fine black waterproof pen down each side of each of the green lines to make a grid. This now requires to be left for a while - so I usually do this step in the evening - and leave overnight to dry thoroughly. My four new recruits to the band - have now reached this stage. jb

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Mackenzie 5A, Don't worry I don't epect to see the weave!:)

Martin
 

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You cannie mistake a bombardon - sounds like an elephant with gas!


Coming along nicely jb, another interesting thread to follow along ..... well, aside from the bit about the flatulating elephants. Can't say I've ever had that experience, will have to pay more attention next visit to the zoo. :wink2:^&grin

B.
 
Buster said:
You cannie mistake a bombardon - sounds like an elephant with gas!


Coming along nicely jb, another interesting thread to follow along ..... well, aside from the bit about the flatulating elephants. Can't say I've ever had that experience, will have to pay more attention next visit to the zoo. :wink2:^&grin

B.
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That's what we used to call the Seregeants mess - The Zoo, that is - not the elephant noise!:D Cheers B.
 
johnnybach said:
By the way - the Waterproof pen (black) is used to draw in the top lid and pupil of the eyes ( see second figure in without them). A little trick I picked up from an expert painter a while ago. Makes things much easier - as I hope you can see. About £1 each in most stationary shops - and lasts for quite a while. (Make certain it says waterproof though. This make is recommended.). jb

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Product placement in a toy soldier forum? May the Skyfall on your head...:)

Rgds Victor
 
blaster said:
Product placement in a toy soldier forum? May the Skyfall on your head...:)

Rgds Victor
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Just a useful tip Vic, which I pass on to those who (like me a while ago) didn't know about "how they do that". Not obligatory - and if and when anybody EVER gives me something for using their products - rest assured I'll let everyone know - including the tax-man!{eek3}

That'll be the day!:D jb
 
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