Holy Schneike! $1,025 for a resin & metal Kubelwagon!! (1 Viewer)

[Njja]

I do not see how you guys can sell items unless under duress. I just can't bring myself to a point to let go and sell. All the kc, trophy, frontline and others bring me joy. But i guess if someone offered to buy the whole lot at once, one might have to think about it. But who really has a couple hundred thousand to do that with. Toy soldier time does let one forget about their stress and troubles. I suppose a few of you feel the same way.

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Thats a rather common problem many collectors have. I dealt with it myself
many years ago. Today with the many areas I collect I have no problem exchanging items for different things I am interested in.

Currently I am enjoying adding to my collection of old toys, new items coming and going on a daily basis. All done while maintaining a positive cash flow.

I find its a good idea to maintain a diversified collection like your investiments, especially if you consider its value in excess of 6 figures!

Its a good idea to take a look around every now and then and evaulate just how much you have tied up in your hobby!

 

[Vezzolf]

Yet for every story of a collectable that takes off in value, there are probably 5 stories of ones that aren't worth a thing.

It's simple supply and demand, yet predicting future demand is pretty impossible. Isn't it often the things that NOBODY expected to be collectable that become the things everyone wants??

Buy what you like...enjoy it while you can...if you make something on it later, well and good.

Well said....and truthful....My view is that times being what they are: "Don't give up your day job".....exspecting to retire comfortably on the resale value of your toy soldier collections.....Rather it would be more wise to not spend your hard earned money on inflated and "over-priced collectibles".....Don't get taken......

 

[thebritfarmer]

Well said....and truthful....My view is that times being what they are: "Don't give up your day job".....exspecting to retire comfortably on the resale value of your toy soldier collections.....Rather it would be more wise to not spend your hard earned money on inflated and "over-priced collectibles".....Don't get taken......

I agree and unless it is a one of like the Mona Lisa, eventually another one will come along.

 

[glossman]

Yet for every story of a collectable that takes off in value, there are probably 5 stories of ones that aren't worth a thing.

It's simple supply and demand, yet predicting future demand is pretty impossible. Isn't it often the things that NOBODY expected to be collectable that become the things everyone wants??

Buy what you like...enjoy it while you can...if you make something on it later, well and good.

This puts the matter nicely into perspective.

I think this is the correct approach to collecting in a nutshell.

Thanks, Raymond.

 

[glossman]

Well said....and truthful....My view is that times being what they are: "Don't give up your day job".....exspecting to retire comfortably on the resale value of your toy soldier collections.....Rather it would be more wise to not spend your hard earned money on inflated and "over-priced collectibles" .....Don't get taken......

Now that is good advice.

Thanks, Raymond.

 

[glossman]

I agree and unless it is a one of like the Mona Lisa, eventually another one will come along.

Scott,

I am not sure about the Mona Lisa, but check this out.

There will be collectors..........as Tom has pointed out.

A half-smoked cigar, abandoned when Sir Winston Churchill dashed away to a Cabinet meeting, has sold for £4,500.

The 9.5cm (3.74ins) cigar was bought by a private collector from Hertfordshire.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/8487893.stm

Raymond.

 

[Njja]

Value of an item is determined between what a seller is willing to accept and what a buyer is willing to spend.

I am quite sure the seller of the Kubelwagen is just as happy as the buyer is.

All of the people unable, or unwilling to spend the $$$$ can scream all they want to and it will not influence intelligent collectors one bit.

An educated collector will know his collection, its value, and the value of pieces he might want to add. He will make his decisions based on his own personal financial situation and enjoy himself.

Everyone should enjoy their own collection, and recognize their limitations may not apply to other collectors.

I enjoyed seeing the Kubelwagen come up for auction, it is a nice early piece. I did not bid on it because it doesn't fit my current mix. I see little need to point out to everyone what I think its worth.

It would seem to me two other collectors have already established a reasonable value.

Okay already, I know Manny, Moe & Jack wouldn't pay that.......good for them.

 

[HAWKEYE]

easy for you guys to suggest that you should collect with in your means, but come on, who hasn't spent more than they should. i know people whose toy soldiers collections are worth more than their house.

 

[Njja]

easy for you guys to suggest that you should collect with in your means, but come on, who hasn't spent more than they should. i know people whose toy soldiers collections are worth more than their house.

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Isn't that the truth......as collectors I guess most of us tend to go overboard on occassion!

 

[Showman]

I am still HOLDING on to my BEANIE BABIES ! They will come back...I hope..

 

[Go for Broke]

Someone always had nicer toys than me. Its a fact of life for most of us.

 

[Vezzolf]

The main issue is.... NOT... what "some-one" will pay for an item that determines it's worth.....THAT COMMENT is a "MYTH".......People make foolish decisions and "overpriced" purchases all the time..........If some jumps off a cliff and some folks applaud saying....."wow look at him fly"......Should others jump as well??....I think not.....As I said before, If you work hard for your money you will spend it wisely......There are many newer products being produced of better quality all the time by toy soldier manufacturers......no need to panic......Another item of "better quality" and "fair pricing" will come along. Best regards to all....

 

[tdubel]

The main issue is.... NOT... what "some-one" will pay for an item that determines it's worth.....THAT COMMENT is a "MYTH".......People make foolish decisions and "overpriced" purchases all the time..........If some jumps off a cliff and some folks applaud saying....."wow look at him fly"......Should others jump as well??....I think not.....As I said before, If you work hard for your money you will spend it wisely......There are many newer products being produced of better quality all the time by toy soldier manufacturers......no need to panic......Another item of "better quality" and "fair pricing" will come along. Best regards to all....

This is a good point, but another good point is personal preference. I like to historically collect, therefore, having the original DD9 is important to me, and based on sales figures, I am not alone.

Myth - don't agree here. As I have said many times before, an item is worth what someone will pay at that moment. As my friend who used to buy and sell used cars as a hobby said when I asked how do you expect to get money out of this one : "There is an arse for every seat".

The same can be said for Vintage Britains. My personal taste is the vintage pre war Britains are uglier than sin, basic, not of interest. However, there is a tremendous market for these and they bring big bucks. There are much newer products on the market, but doesn't matter, they still bring the bucks.

Finally, with the price continually to rise for the "newer and better" products, the oldies sure seem like bargains in some cases. Also, for instance, the diorama pieces bring good money b/c they are unlikely to be made again.

I think there is no wrong side to this debate, it boils down to buy what you like, collect what you like, hopefully it retains some value either to your heirs or if they want to sell it and collect something else, they can.

TD

 

[lancer]

On the what is it worth trail again? I submit that a TS collection, sitting in a collector's house, is worth nothing, except to the owner. The owner must SELL the collection for it to be worth anything on a monetary measure, and then the collection is gone. Worth what you have it insured for? Sure, but you must lose it for that worth to kick in. Again, gone. At best, insurance is only a hedge against your investment. You only get money back you had to start with. Try to use your valuable collection as collateral for a loan or something. Good luck with that. Try buying food , gas, or shelter with your soldiers. Unless you sell them, no chance. Again, gone. TS are worth only what they mean to a collector on a personal level. TS, IMO, should be collected as a personal investment, to cherish, and remind. If bought to be a monetary investment, the purchaser (unless a real fortunate individual), is going to lose. The collector buys to own, not sell. Most of us will die with our collections, making them only an emotional investment with only an emotional payout. Those left behind will then "reap" the monetary gain, if they are lucky. Only then will the value in real dollars be determined and then it won't matter to the collector, will it? Buy what you like and enjoy the hobby for what it is to you, a reminder of history, youth, art, or whatever, but enjoy it without worrying about it's monetary value. Remember, this is just my opinion and not meant as criticism to anyone who collects, for whatever reason. -- lancer

 

[tdubel]

On the what is it worth trail again? I submit that a TS collection, sitting in a collector's house, is worth nothing, except to the owner. The owner must SELL the collection for it to be worth anything on a monetary measure, and then the collection is gone. Worth what you have it insured for? Sure, but you must lose it for that worth to kick in. Again, gone. At best, insurance is only a hedge against your investment. You only get money back you had to start with. Try to use your valuable collection as collateral for a loan or something. Good luck with that. Try buying food , gas, or shelter with your soldiers. Unless you sell them, no chance. Again, gone. TS are worth only what they mean to a collector on a personal level. TS, IMO, should be collected as a personal investment, to cherish, and remind. If bought to be a monetary investment, the purchaser (unless a real fortunate individual), is going to lose. The collector buys to own, not sell. Most of us will die with our collections, making them only an emotional investment with only an emotional payout. Those left behind will then "reap" the monetary gain, if they are lucky. Only then will the value in real dollars be determined and then it won't matter to the collector, will it? Buy what you like and enjoy the hobby for what it is to you, a reminder of history, youth, art, or whatever, but enjoy it without worrying about it's monetary value. Remember, this is just my opinion and not meant as criticism to anyone who collects, for whatever reason. -- lancer

Exactly my personal thoughts on the matter.

My other comments were directed more so to illustrate that when they do sell, they bring what they bring and it seems like the oldies hold some value!

TD

 

[Vezzolf]

On the what is it worth trail again? I submit that a TS collection, sitting in a collector's house, is worth nothing, except to the owner. The owner must SELL the collection for it to be worth anything on a monetary measure, and then the collection is gone. Worth what you have it insured for? Sure, but you must lose it for that worth to kick in. Again, gone. At best, insurance is only a hedge against your investment. You only get money back you had to start with. Try to use your valuable collection as collateral for a loan or something. Good luck with that. Try buying food , gas, or shelter with your soldiers. Unless you sell them, no chance. Again, gone. TS are worth only what they mean to a collector on a personal level. TS, IMO, should be collected as a personal investment, to cherish, and remind. If bought to be a monetary investment, the purchaser (unless a real fortunate individual), is going to lose. The collector buys to own, not sell. Most of us will die with our collections, making them only an emotional investment with only an emotional payout. Those left behind will then "reap" the monetary gain, if they are lucky. Only then will the value in real dollars be determined and then it won't matter to the collector, will it? Buy what you like and enjoy the hobby for what it is to you, a reminder of history, youth, art, or whatever, but enjoy it without worrying about it's monetary value. Remember, this is just my opinion and not meant as criticism to anyone who collects, for whatever reason. -- lancer

I applaud you for your wisdom and insight......Could not agree more

 

[jazzeum]

I don't want to add to the controversy, if any, as I don't want to get in trouble again, . However, my perspective that these are material things and you shouldn't get too wrapped up in them. Although I do not purchase these things for investments, if somebody comes along and offers me a nice price, I have to think twice about that.

 

[Warrior]

On the what is it worth trail again? I submit that a TS collection, sitting in a collector's house, is worth nothing, except to the owner. The owner must SELL the collection for it to be worth anything on a monetary measure, and then the collection is gone. Worth what you have it insured for? Sure, but you must lose it for that worth to kick in. Again, gone. At best, insurance is only a hedge against your investment. You only get money back you had to start with. Try to use your valuable collection as collateral for a loan or something. Good luck with that. Try buying food , gas, or shelter with your soldiers. Unless you sell them, no chance. Again, gone. TS are worth only what they mean to a collector on a personal level. TS, IMO, should be collected as a personal investment, to cherish, and remind. If bought to be a monetary investment, the purchaser (unless a real fortunate individual), is going to lose. The collector buys to own, not sell. Most of us will die with our collections, making them only an emotional investment with only an emotional payout. Those left behind will then "reap" the monetary gain, if they are lucky. Only then will the value in real dollars be determined and then it won't matter to the collector, will it? Buy what you like and enjoy the hobby for what it is to you, a reminder of history, youth, art, or whatever, but enjoy it without worrying about it's monetary value. Remember, this is just my opinion and not meant as criticism to anyone who collects, for whatever reason. -- lancer

That is beautiful Al, it really is.

Buy what you want when you want and enjoy it for as long as you are on this planet as once you are gone, that's all she wrote and the main purpose of a hobby is to bring you enjoyment, not worry and stress over what your collection is worth........................

 

[desk11desk12]

Wow Louis:
You and a few others must have a bloody fortune displayed in your Museum’s. Cool.

Speculations from those who have been collecting KC WWII since early 1990’s: Any idea how many more WWII KC Collectors they’re today compared to then?

BTW, I collect for the enjoyment of the piece at hand and not for future dollar value (I invest in other things to accomplish that). However, it is very nice if my collection increases in value over time. This obviously gives me the flexibility to sell it and get more wonderful toys in return. LOL


Carlos

 

[HAWKEYE]

I have to disagree with you all a little here. What one spends on toy soldiers is an investment in that it usually appreciates and for myself as well as for a few others, i am sure if i did not spend the money on toy soldiers my wife would have surely spent it on something that would not keep or increase its value. Can any of you sympathize with that?