bricoleur said:Dear Collectors;
I believe we can not discuss about the "real" colours of German armour. I went several times to Bovington and you see there a lot of private owned stuff. Every owner will paint his private piece in the colours he loves the most.
I have seen there the same splinter camo in at least four different yellow basetones, going from desert yellow to the greenish K&C yellow. Same for the brown colour: deep red brown, brick red and almost brownish black...
Ask the collectors in Bovington about the "real" colours... you get five different answers ans nobody has seen the "real" colours... (except the few colour propaganda films, made by the Germans in "no real" situations, nothing is left) The German army has received paint from at least ten different factories. The Tiger yellow was in most of the cases not the same as the Panther yellow as another company was delivering the paint for the panther production. In the field, tank commanders made there own "paintings", depending from what they could get and how nature was developing in the time of the year. My father has seen a lot of German armour in Belgium and France in that days and he always told me that from 1943 on, all the German halftracks and armour were almost completely covered by camo nets, bushes, leaves, mud and all kind of materials. He believes the colour scheme was no longer relevant. IMO the only "real" armour is the weathered edition, no matter what colours were used and mixed. Do not rely to much on the books and colour plates, made AFTER the war. The artist is giving you his colourset or he is refering to other artwork. My dad has seen several original panthers, just after the battle of the bulge before those pieces were dismantled. On all the panthers, almost 50% of the original paint was burned away (shell impact)
or simply rusted. That's why I love the heavy weathered models, no matter what colour is used.
Eddy
...Alex
Firebat said:I am friends with Wild Bill Guarnere from Band of Brothers and we have talked about colors on a few occasions. The Airborne Normandy uniforms are weird, sometimes they look tan, and sometimes they look green, he said it was possibly the reaction of the chemical treatment for gas etc...etc. He was "Too busy eliminating Germans" to notice. We talked about German tanks a few times. They got his attention, and what you wrote is basically true. But I don't believe he ever mentioned seeing an Aqua one. I do have to admit ..... the Jagdpanther is a tempting piece, it is very striking
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. Our discussions have remained civil, and maybe this explanation will further give you insight as to where I am coming from, so we can all work together to make it as real as possible...Firebat
jazzeum said:
bricoleur said:Dear Collectors;
I believe we can not discuss about the "real" colours of German armour. I went several times to Bovington and you see there a lot of private owned stuff. Every owner will paint his private piece in the colours he loves the most.
I have seen there the same splinter camo in at least four different yellow basetones, going from desert yellow to the greenish K&C yellow. Same for the brown colour: deep red brown, brick red and almost brownish black...
Ask the collectors in Bovington about the "real" colours... you get five different answers ans nobody has seen the "real" colours... (except the few colour propaganda films, made by the Germans in "no real" situations, nothing is left) The German army has received paint from at least ten different factories. The Tiger yellow was in most of the cases not the same as the Panther yellow as another company was delivering the paint for the panther production. In the field, tank commanders made there own "paintings", depending from what they could get and how nature was developing in the time of the year. My father has seen a lot of German armour in Belgium and France in that days and he always told me that from 1943 on, all the German halftracks and armour were almost completely covered by camo nets, bushes, leaves, mud and all kind of materials. He believes the colour scheme was no longer relevant. IMO the only "real" armour is the weathered edition, no matter what colours were used and mixed. Do not rely to much on the books and colour plates, made AFTER the war. The artist is giving you his colourset or he is refering to other artwork. My dad has seen several original panthers, just after the battle of the bulge before those pieces were dismantled. On all the panthers, almost 50% of the original paint was burned away (shell impact)
or simply rusted. That's why I love the heavy weathered models, no matter what colour is used.
Eddy
) The last time we went they had almost finished fully restoring a Tiger 1. But temporary.
Pierre said:
panda1gen said:
. Even after a week, it was a complete adventure just to cross the street . But what a great city. And to everybody who are planning to go, don't miss the National Portrait Gallery, a must.
