How far is too far? (2 Viewers)

[nmrocks]

OK:

Now that the warming trend of the second half of the 20th century has reveresed, apparently in connection with sunspot and other solar activity, I no longer worry that high temperatures will melt my toy soldier collection.

global warming facts:
there has been NO rise in the average temp. in 10 years, scientist recently announced the the polar Icecaps are equal to the 1979 totals! (the year time mag. posted on it's cover about the next great ice age)

 

[trooper]

In regard to the question of what is and is not PC the following examples have impinged upon me personally. An hysterical rant by two females from the Animal Rights group over a diorama depicting the Retreat from Moscow in which was several dead horses. Several accusations of being a war monger, glorifying war and encouraging violence because of model soldiers. Similar comments over my collection of weapons and militaria. Finally a complaint about sitting in my own front room smoking a cigarette where I could be SEEN by any passing child!!

 

[Rob]

In regard to the question of what is and is not PC the following examples have impinged upon me personally. An hysterical rant by two females from the Animal Rights group over a diorama depicting the Retreat from Moscow in which was several dead horses. Several accusations of being a war monger, glorifying war and encouraging violence because of model soldiers. Similar comments over my collection of weapons and militaria. Finally a complaint about sitting in my own front room smoking a cigarette where I could be SEEN by any passing child!!

Now that is truly absurd.That's not PC gone mad,that's pc gone to the bell tower with Rifle and grenades!.

Rob

 

[Wraith]

In regard to the question of what is and is not PC the following examples have impinged upon me personally. An hysterical rant by two females from the Animal Rights group over a diorama depicting the Retreat from Moscow in which was several dead horses. Several accusations of being a war monger, glorifying war and encouraging violence because of model soldiers. Similar comments over my collection of weapons and militaria. Finally a complaint about sitting in my own front room smoking a cigarette where I could be SEEN by any passing child!!

I trust your responses to these hideous crimes against humanity (and er...horsery) were robust and of a direct and forthright nature?

 

[OzDigger]

I trust your responses to these hideous crimes against humanity (and er...horsery) were robust and of a direct and forthright nature?

Er........would crimes against insects be Buggery

 

[Wraith]

er........would crimes against insects be buggery

Nice one!

 

[Spitfrnd]

global warming facts:
there has been NO rise in the average temp. in 10 years, scientist recently announced the the polar Icecaps are equal to the 1979 totals! (the year time mag. posted on it's cover about the next great ice age)

I think that is because I lowered my average highway speed to 73 mph. The greatest evidence against global warming is that the US government is NOW firmly commitmented to spend and cause the loss of untold billions to thwart it. It is the best counter indicator I know of. Now to be clear, this is not a global warming comment but an ironic observation about our government's natural predilection to jump on wagons too late and with too little real purpose. I hope I am not being too PC here.

 

[Gideon]

In regard to the question of what is and is not PC the following examples have impinged upon me personally. An hysterical rant by two females from the Animal Rights group over a diorama depicting the Retreat from Moscow in which was several dead horses. Several accusations of being a war monger, glorifying war and encouraging violence because of model soldiers. Similar comments over my collection of weapons and militaria. Finally a complaint about sitting in my own front room smoking a cigarette where I could be SEEN by any passing child!!

Gotta love these "idiots with a cause". The neighborhood my shop is in is full of them.

Then, when I correct them, they try to find something else to gripe about. "Oh, ok, that fine I guess what about this? Is this made of vinyl? I knew it!"

In this country, we have Bill O'Reilly. Each country must have a few idiotic personalities the networks need to sell advertising and appeal to the blindly angry portion of the population.

 

[theBaron]

global warming facts:
there has been NO rise in the average temp. in 10 years, scientist recently announced the the polar Icecaps are equal to the 1979 totals! (the year time mag. posted on it's cover about the next great ice age)

Precisely.

Although a consensus of UN bureaucrats, er, I mean, scientists, disagrees.

 

[theBaron]

For any of my non British friends from around the globe, a little background.We have in this country a TV 'Celebrity' called Jeremy Clarkson.He is both popular and notorious for his outspoken attitude.He does not believe in global warming and mocks enviromentalist's.He also recently caused outrage by saying that Lorry drivers spend their time changing gear and killing prostitutes.

He is in Australia at the moement with a live version of his Top Gear tv show(car programme).He is now causing fresh outrage after calling our Prime Minister a 'One eyed Scottish idiot'.Now don't get me wrong i'm not saying i am a supporter of Gordon Brown in anyway,but are we not going too far by mocking a person in public because of an affliction?.(Brown lost an eye as a child).I'm just wondering if this is a symptom of a growing 'Nasty society' or an example of the building up of 'Celebs' to a point where they think they are something special?.

Rob

Actually, you guys from the non-American part of the English-speaking world don't know what outrageous really is-we have Howard Stern

 

[1879fanatic]

Gotta love these "idiots with a cause". The neighborhood my shop is in is full of them.

Then, when I correct them, they try to find something else to gripe about. "Oh, ok, that fine I guess what about this? Is this made of vinyl? I knew it!"

In this country, we have Bill O'Reilly. Each country must have a few idiotic personalities the networks need to sell advertising and appeal to the blindly angry portion of the population.

Gideon,
I'm to assume you're content as a bug in the rug, with no vision problems?
Mike

 

[Gideon]

Gideon,
I'm to assume you're content as a bug in the rug, with no vision problems?
Mike

Not sure what you mean by that but there are things that really bother me - especially with the media. Both the Fox and Air America folks really make me sick to my stomach.

I would like some honest reporting on issues without agendas just telling us what is going on.

There are newscasts by journalists from Real News and Democracy Now who I really truly appreciate and watch every chance I get. They are the ones who tell us about the protests, the detainings - like at the DNC when protestors were being arrested by officers in suits not displaying badges. Stuff like that I want to know about.

Now what does your statement mean?

And to the origianl posters point - these disgusting people exist because they get ratings. They are worth money. Bill O'Reilly is who he is because people watch him. The Fox News network is a joke. The times I have watched, I actually thought of it more along the lines of sketch comedy than anything else. But, sadly, people do feel this way and this is their voice. This is a loudmouth people can fall in line with. Like Keith Oberman (spelling) too. I love how he furrows his brow and then launches into one of his tirades. It just stirs the pot. Yes, they are manufactured and promoted and researched as to what demographic and they go too far but it gets ratings.

 

[1879fanatic]

Not sure what you mean by that but there are things that really bother me - especially with the media. Both the Fox and Air America folks really make me sick to my stomach.

I would like some honest reporting on issues without agendas just telling us what is going on.

There are newscasts by journalists from Real News and Democracy Now who I really truly appreciate and watch every chance I get. They are the ones who tell us about the protests, the detainings - like at the DNC when protestors were being arrested by officers in suits not displaying badges. Stuff like that I want to know about.

Now what does your statement mean?
Each country must have a few idiotic personalities the networks need to sell advertising and appeal to the blindly angry portion of the population.

 

[theBaron]

I would say Fox News is no better than the other cable news networks; not sure if I could say it's worse. I think you have to distinguish between the new broadcasts on any of the channels, tainted as they may be, more or less from channel to channel, with opinion, and the editorial/commentary shows, like O'Reilly's, and Chris Matthews' and Olberman's (he was a lousy commentator when he was at ESPN, and he hasn't improved). Those shows are all about entertainment, not deep insight. I've compared O'Reilly to Howard Stern, in that, it's about getting a rise out of the audience, and not necessarily the content.

Fox does have a lot of good-looking women on, that's for sure. The network is aptly named.

If you want real news, that is, in greater depth, you really need to listen to the radio, or read articles online and in newspapers. That goes for any political leaning. We process visual information so differently from the written and spoken word, that it is almost impossible to inform yourself via TV news, especially today, when everything is broken down into such small units of video and audio.

 

[Gideon]

I would say Fox News is no better than the other cable news networks; not sure if I could say it's worse. I think you have to distinguish between the new broadcasts on any of the channels, tainted as they may be, more or less from channel to channel, with opinion, and the editorial/commentary shows, like O'Reilly's, and Chris Matthews' and Olberman's (he was a lousy commentator when he was at ESPN, and he hasn't improved). Those shows are all about entertainment, not deep insight. I've compared O'Reilly to Howard Stern, in that, it's about getting a rise out of the audience, and not necessarily the content.

Fox does have a lot of good-looking women on, that's for sure. The network is aptly named.

If you want real news, that is, in greater depth, you really need to listen to the radio, or read articles online and in newspapers. That goes for any political leaning. We process visual information so differently from the written and spoken word, that it is almost impossible to inform yourself via TV news, especially today, when everything is broken down into such small units of video and audio.

Yes, Fox is aptly named for some of their ladies...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MDCbIhTa_w

 

[theBaron]

Alysin Camerota on the weekends, Patti Anne Brown, Jamie Colby, Megyn Kelly, they're my faves! I was surprised to learn how many of them are attorneys by education and profession, with years of practice behind them. Colby, for example, graduated early from high school and college, and served in a private practice, as did Kelly.

Of course, there's the lovely Robin Meade over on CNN Headline news, Miss Ohio 1992. But it's a vapid morning show, so there's no "there" there.

Then there's the former Miss America, Gretchen Carlson, on "Fox & Friends" in the morning. Another vapid morning show, and she's got a perma-scowl, looks angry all the time.

 

[nmrocks]

I must say I feel like I'm living a George Orwell novel these days, all media is barely a step up from the National Enquirer! When did news become "All Politics All the Time!). All news is given thru the filter of opionion and you can't turn on any TV in the states, be it entertainment or news without seeing the shining face of our new leader.
Seriously, I think Goebbels would be busting his buttons with pride about the propaganda machine that is passed off as news these days.
Frankly I've given up on it all,
Ray

 

[kilted vampire]

I often wrestle with PCism. I think it is a form of facism. The opppsite side of the same coin. The good old days may not have been that exactly but they were simpler to be sure. I know what is right and wrong for me. It may not be the same for you. I will not tell you what to say or how to say it. If I do not like it I will grin and bear it for awhile then leave.

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" That quote comes at he end of the movie; Tears of the Sun. I thought that was about as simple as it comes. It was too the point. I may nt be able to describe evil but I know it when I see it.

 

[theBaron]

I often wrestle with PCism. I think it is a form of facism. The opppsite side of the same coin. The good old days may not have been that exactly but they were simpler to be sure. I know what is right and wrong for me. It may not be the same for you. I will not tell you what to say or how to say it. If I do not like it I will grin and bear it for awhile then leave.

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" That quote comes at he end of the movie; Tears of the Sun. I thought that was about as simple as it comes. It was too the point. I may nt be able to describe evil but I know it when I see it.

I agree, KV. And underlying PC is the notion that there is a right not to be offended. That contradicts the idea of free speech. We should be free to express any idea, no matter how distasteful it may be, and then let it stand or fall on its own merits in unimpeded debate.

(Forum rules notwithstanding, of course This isn't Speaker's Corner, the floor of some assembly, or the editorial office of some newspaper)

 

[Scott]

I'll admit I don't know the first thing about this chap, but I do agree with him on global warming, it is a complete and utter farce.

I live south of Boston Massachusetts and so far this winter, we are averaging about 10 degrees colder per day than last year, my heating bill for the winter has already passed last years mark with two months to go and the snowfall total past last years amount already as well.

Global warming is a joke, good for him to point it out..........

http://www.sciam.com/blog/60-second...old-winter-doesnt-mean-global-warm-2009-02-12


"..Global warming is responsible for the overall upward temperature trend, and any snow outside our window shouldn’t convince us that Earth has stopped heating up, says Richard Heim, an NCDC meteorologist. "Most of the top 10 warmest years have happened in the last decade and a half," Heim tells ScientificAmerican.com. "Global warming does not mean every year will be warmer than the previous year. Global warming means there's an increasing frequency of warmer temperatures and a decreasing frequency of cooler temperatures, and that’s definitely what we're seeing.".."



"...So how to explain the relatively colder winters we've had in the latter half of this decade? Goddard attributes them to La Niña, a cyclical pattern of cold sea-surface temperatures in the Pacific Ocean. La Niña in the first half of 2008, followed by a neutral period in the latter half, likely had something to do with it, Heim says, but adds that global warming is about long-term, rising temperature trends over time. "It's kind of like a drunk driver," Heim says. "The car is weaving back and forth, but it's still progressing forward."
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