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[Cold Steel Miniatures]

Hi, anyone on here interested in the Battle of Inkerman? I have been reading quite a bit on it lately(still have another book I have not started yet) and quite surprised what a truly tough battle it was that gets very little recognition in the toy soldier world and in general.

When you think of the Crimea the first thing to come to mind is the charge of the light brigade then the thin red line and if your interested in military history you will probably know about the Alma and then the retched state of the armies involved in the campaign. But not much about Inkerman.

Nearly all the soldiers fought in great coats except the 68 Durham light infantry who fought in their scarlet coattes. The Russians wore their thick brown great coats and all the battalions still carried their colours.

I was just wondering if anyone else was interested in this battle or the possibility of some soldiers representing the battle.

Hope you all have a good day.

Iwan

 

[Martin Tabony]

"The soldier's battle". Fought in the fog, with soldiers breaking into small groups. The Guards shouting "Remember Waterloo"!!

Martin

 

[Cold Steel Miniatures]

That's it proper hand to hand fighting.

"The soldier's battle". Fought in the fog, with soldiers breaking into small groups. The Guards shouting "Remember Waterloo"!!

Martin

 

[Artillery_crazy]

How history can be funny.....At Inkerman, the Guards shouting "Remember Waterloo"....when this time the allies were the French and not the Russians and the Russians were the common enemy.....{sm3}{sm3}{sm3}
Cheers
Luiz

That's it proper hand to hand fighting.

"The soldier's battle". Fought in the fog, with soldiers breaking into small groups. The Guards shouting "Remember Waterloo"!!

Martin

 

[Horus]

An interesting post, though a more specialised field with far fewer collectors I imagine and where you'd struggle to break even.
One problem that is hard to overcome is brand loyalty, but once broken and opening up peoples collections to all sorts of items, especially for diorama builders could be one way of improving sales, of course getting the right items to market would be a bit of a minefield I imagine !
Perhaps trying something different could work such as offering items to collectors with what I suppose could be broadly referred to as transport items, might work, which could very from a say Napoleonic or ACW Caissons to baggage wagons these sorts of items are very hard to find or just can't be found, in the various manufacturers ranges being collected might be worth a thought.
Steve

 

[Cold Steel Miniatures]

An interesting post, though a more specialised field with far fewer collectors I imagine and where you'd struggle to break even.
One problem that is hard to overcome is brand loyalty, but once broken and opening up peoples collections to all sorts of items, especially for diorama builders could be one way of improving sales, of course getting the right items to market would be a bit of a minefield I imagine !
Perhaps trying something different could work such as offering items to collectors with what I suppose could be broadly referred to as transport items, might work, which could very from a say Napoleonic or ACW Caissons to baggage wagons these sorts of items are very hard to find or just can't be found, in the various manufacturers ranges being collected might be worth a thought.
Steve

I certainly know what you mean about brand loyalty it's very hard to get a collector to buy from a new TS company. As for breaking even on a range I will let you know when it happens....

It's funny you should mention ammunition cassions and limbers, we started to sculpt French napoleonic cassions,cannons and limbers being pulled by the horse teams. The plan was to have them all sold separately so you could build up the horse teams as you liked or just have them on their own. Sadly the French Dragoons didn't sell all that well so I have abandoned the idea, maybe come back to it in the future.The sculpts are still sitting there half done.
Hope you all have a good weekend.

Iwan

 

[Vicknor]

Think a few of us would definitely like to see these figures - however as mentioned - you'd have to feel secure in the knowledge that it may take some time to shift stock as not everyone would rush to buy

 

[Cold Steel Miniatures]

Think a few of us would definitely like to see these figures - however as mentioned - you'd have to feel secure in the knowledge that it may take some time to shift stock as not everyone would rush to buy

I was pleased with the idea but I need to pay for them with the proceeds from previous releases and if there isn't enough money in the kitty then it can't be done until there is enough to cover the production of at least a few sets. It could be done over time in slow releases, hopefully.

Iwan

 

[Terp152]

Being located in Europe you naturally gear your releases to battles fought there, keep Napoleonic. But I would urge you to consider the ACW. That's a huge market and collectors desperately want limbers with teams. Chris

 

[Cold Steel Miniatures]

"The soldier's battle". Fought in the fog, with soldiers breaking into small groups. The Guards shouting "Remember Waterloo"!!

Martin

Hi Martin

I was reading a bit more last night and found when the 57th regiment were pretty hard pressed a certain captain Inglis who's father was a captain in the regiment at the battle of Albuera during the Peninsular War where the he was badly wounded and shouting "die hard 57"hence the name die hards, well his son was shouting "remember Albuera" 43 years later at Inkerman.

I haven't heard of the guards shouting "remember Waterloo " yet but I have not finished the books.

I have always been fascinated about the battle of Albura, the bloodiest in the peninsular War. When marshal Soult came out with the phrase" I broke their right and then I broke their centre but still they would not run,these English are bad troops they were beaten but they did not know it"(it goes something like that)

Suffice to say that Albuera was a British victory that is proudly blazoned on many regiments Colours.


Iwan

 

[Cold Steel Miniatures]

Being located in Europe you naturally gear your releases to battles fought there, keep Napoleonic. But I would urge you to consider the ACW. That's a huge market and collectors desperately want limbers with teams. Chris

I'd never really considered the ACW but I used to quite a few customers who bought them in the past especially if the price was reasonable. I will give it some thought.

My next release is napoleonic, 5 figures coming, the masters should be ready in around 2 weeks if all goes well.

Iwan

 

[Obee]

My next release is napoleonic, 5 figures coming, the masters should be ready in around 2 weeks if all goes well.

Iwan

Looking forward to seeing what's coming .....

john

 

[king59]

Hi, anyone on here interested in the Battle of Inkerman? I have been reading quite a bit on it lately(still have another book I have not started yet) and quite surprised what a truly tough battle it was that gets very little recognition in the toy soldier world and in general.

When you think of the Crimea the first thing to come to mind is the charge of the light brigade then the thin red line and if your interested in military history you will probably know about the Alma and then the retched state of the armies involved in the campaign. But not much about Inkerman.

Nearly all the soldiers fought in great coats except the 68 Durham light infantry who fought in their scarlet coattes. The Russians wore their thick brown great coats and all the battalions still carried their colours.

I was just wondering if anyone else was interested in this battle or the possibility of some soldiers representing the battle.

Hope you all have a good day.

Iwan

I remember an old set of IMPERIAL TOY SOLDIERS

 

[hsm]

someone has a small range of inkerman and Crimean subjects- I have the complete set of castings for the famous roll call painting, done in figures. Many figures were mastered by Caton.
Alexanders toy soldiers.

If someone could come up with more cavalry for me to add to my K&C charge of the light brigade....

I have some new found interest in this time period, due to the amount of photography available of the theatre. Best wishes for you!
Grant

 

[Cold Steel Miniatures]

someone has a small range of inkerman and Crimean subjects- I have the complete set of castings for the famous roll call painting, done in figures. Many figures were mastered by Caton.
Alexanders toy soldiers.

If someone could come up with more cavalry for me to add to my K&C charge of the light brigade....

I have some new found interest in this time period, due to the amount of photography available of the theatre. Best wishes for you!
Grant

Hi Grant

Unfortunately there was no cavalry at Inkerman it was a purely infantry affair. I have are no plans at the moment to do any figures from the Charge, sorry, only cavalry from the Sikh Wars, the 16th lancers and the 3rd Lights.

There are some great black and white photos of Officers and soldiers from the Crimean war mainly relaxing. You can see how their uniforms change throughout the course of the war as the public got behind them and started to send clothing out to the soldiers.

I think KC UK had a lot of success with this range in the early days. The 17th lancers were excellent and so were the 93rd Scottish regiment. I think they should have done a Colin Campbell figure to go with the 93rd. I think it would have been more popular than captain Morris. Just my opinion of course.
Regards Iwan

 

[hsm]

Iwan

yes great photos, being a soldier myself I always enjoy the pics of the officers, in and around their wagons. Look carefully and there are crates of glass bottles. this is probably where the term Gin Palace comes from...

Grant

Hi Grant

Unfortunately there was no cavalry at Inkerman it was a purely infantry affair. I have are no plans at the moment to do any figures from the Charge, sorry, only cavalry from the Sikh Wars, the 16th lancers and the 3rd Lights.

There are some great black and white photos of Officers and soldiers from the Crimean war mainly relaxing. You can see how their uniforms change throughout the course of the war as the public got behind them and started to send clothing out to the soldiers.

I think KC UK had a lot of success with this range in the early days. The 17th lancers were excellent and so were the 93rd Scottish regiment. I think they should have done a Colin Campbell figure to go with the 93rd. I think it would have been more popular than captain Morris. Just my opinion of course.
Regards Iwan

 

[Cold Steel Miniatures]

Here are a few photographs of officers and soldiers from the Crimean War

 

[Cold Steel Miniatures]

Here are a couple of photographs from the second Afghan war. one is showing a Sikh regiment and the other is the 72nd Scottish Regimernt with some signals troops

 

[Cold Steel Miniatures]

Here is a picture that I think would be good to recreate with toy soldiers. It is the grenadier guards defending their colours at Inkerman. I know the picture is not very good I just took it from one of my osprey books but you can see the Russians pressing towards the colours and some French suaves coming in to the scene from the left hand side.

I think it would make a good vignette albeit quite big which is another thing, could put collectors off. I don't know as some collectors like to make big battle scenes and others just smaller scenes. Personaly I prefer to have lots of different small dios.

 

[Cold Steel Miniatures]

Here is another one showing the Royal Welch at the Alma sergeant Oconnor winning the VC. I think could be a great little dio with just 4,5 or 6 figures far less to fork out for. Would look just as good in a cabinet on their own. You could create something like this for any given regiment at any battle whether it would be a success or not is another thing.

Regards Iwan