Is K&C still going to make a M-7 Priest since Figarti.... (1 Viewer)

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:cool: Is K&C still going to give us a M-7 Priest and M-3 Grant, being that Figarti, has supprised and made a M-7 Priest , and a M-3 Grant Tank,from his Company?
 
As far as the Priest goes, Andy said not in the immediate future, but didn't rule it out eventually.
 
My comment is this, why not keep exlploring uncharted waters rather than re releasing old favorites??? It is nice to see new things. IN my opinion, Andy made the perfect Priest, why rerelease it? He made a great Lee, it stands on its own. He made a great Chafee. I like the original better than the re released 2. the DD 35 stands on its own.

I find it refresing that Andy keeps going forward and tries to sell new vehicles instead of the same old same old. I like the fact I have not seen a Tiger in awhile.

IMO

TD
 
tdubel said:
My comment is this, why not keep exlploring uncharted waters rather than re releasing old favorites??? It is nice to see new things. IN my opinion, Andy made the perfect Priest, why rerelease it? He made a great Lee, it stands on its own. He made a great Chafee. I like the original better than the re released 2. the DD 35 stands on its own.

I find it refresing that Andy keeps going forward and tries to sell new vehicles instead of the same old same old. I like the fact I have not seen a Tiger in awhile.

IMO

TD
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I agree. There are still years worth of not yet produced models that can be made. There could easily be 10 distinct weapons/equipment variations of the SdKfz 251 alone. While it is nice to see the occasional remake which upgrades the model to today's standard, and allows newer collectors to get a version of a popular AFV, I would not like to see it as the focus of new production. And the same argument holds for 2 or 3 manufacturers making the same model, one after the other. There is a limit to how many Tigers and basic Shermans I want, and I am at those limits now. (Andy - feel free to make a Colliope Sherman, swimming Sherman or other special Sherman :))

Unlike Tom, I don't particularily like the original Priest model. I'm glad someone else is making one so I can have a Priest model. Some collectors who collect K&C exclusively or simply like them best, won't agree, but why should K&C now remake their Priest model, unless it is well along the design and production pipeline or is integral to a new group of AFVs and figures.

Terry
 
Whilst i agree its always good to see new models released that go into areas that are not so visited,i also think its good to revisit others.For people who missed out on a previous MkIII the recent version must be a godsend.Its the same with the M7.A new version would be great for either the Brits or Americans in Normandy,its been a long time since the the last one and the price of it is prohibitive for a lot of folk.As Figarti have given us a NA Version i'd love to one day see a D Day release of this to give our troops on the ground some mobile artillery.For me its about striking a balance between new builds and older previously made vehicles,not easy i know but K&C seem to have the knack.

I do agree about Tigers and Shermans though.We have had lots of them and so other releases are welcome,however AFV's like the M7 and Matilda are nowhere near as numerous and therefore deserve another look in my view.

Rob
 
Rob said:
Whilst i agree its always good to see new models released that go into areas that are not so visited,i also think its good to revisit others.For people who missed out on a previous MkIII the recent version must be a godsend.Its the same with the M7.A new version would be great for either the Brits or Americans in Normandy,its been a long time since the the last one and the price of it is prohibitive for a lot of folk.As Figarti have given us a NA Version i'd love to one day see a D Day release of this to give our troops on the ground some mobile artillery.For me its about striking a balance between new builds and older previously made vehicles,not easy i know but K&C seem to have the knack.

I do agree about Tigers and Shermans though.We have had lots of them and so other releases are welcome,however AFV's like the M7 and Matilda are nowhere near as numerous and therefore deserve another look in my view.

Rob
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Good post - somewhat more along the lines of what I was trying to say. It is a balancing act. And some of the older pieces like a Matilda could be remade - we could use one in the FOB range as well as North Afrika. I just would not like the focus to be on remakes or several companies making the same models.

Terry
 
I sort of agree and disagree with Tom. Yes, Shermans and Tigers do get repetitous but regarding Lees, Priests or some of the German armored cars made in years past, many of the new collectors never had a chance to get these and, at current prices, may not, so it would be good to see companies to introduce these at somewhat affordable prices.
 
Phantom Warrior said:
Good post - somewhat more along the lines of what I was trying to say. It is a balancing act. And some of the older pieces like a Matilda could be remade - we could use one in the FOB range as well as North Afrika. I just would not like the focus to be on remakes or several companies making the same models.

Terry
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Absolutely,its all about balance.That way you appeal to both established and new collectors alike.Also,great idea about a FOB Matilda,where do i sign;)

Rob
 
You all have to remember that a manufacturer is going to make what sells, and, like it or not, Tigers and Shermans sell. To a non-tech collector who wants a vehicle, he will get what he recognizes or knows. A non-tech collector will not be familier with the hundreds of variations amongst the hundreds of lesser known or down-right obscure vehicles that were made. Marketability and recognizable names are the key to the wider market. If a manufacturer wants to take a shot at a lesser known vehicle, a Tiger or Sherman with wide sales will help make that lesser known vehicle viable. Keep those Tigers and Shermans coming so we can get the lesser knowns every now and then. -- lancer
 
lancer said:
You all have to remember that a manufacturer is going to make what sells, and, like it or not, Tigers and Shermans sell. To a non-tech collector who wants a vehicle, he will get what he recognizes or knows. A non-tech collector will not be familier with the hundreds of variations amongst the hundreds of lesser known or down-right obscure vehicles that were made. Marketability and recognizable names are the key to the wider market. If a manufacturer wants to take a shot at a lesser known vehicle, a Tiger or Sherman with wide sales will help make that lesser known vehicle viable. Keep those Tigers and Shermans coming so we can get the lesser knowns every now and then. -- lancer
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Yes i agree with what you are saying,but sooner or later there will surely be a market floating in Tigers And Shermans of all types and colours and at that point even the biggest suppliers will have to call a halt,there surely is a saturation point for all models?.It may not be for sometime yet (as there are variations we all want-Calliope hint hint!;))but you'd think sooner or later every type of those two would have been done?.

Rob
 
Rob said:
Yes i agree with what you are saying,but sooner or later there will surely be a market floating in Tigers And Shermans of all types and colours and at that point even the biggest suppliers will have to call a halt,there surely is a saturation point for all models?.It may not be for sometime yet (as there are variations we all want-Calliope hint hint!;))but you'd think sooner or later every type of those two would have been done?.

Rob
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Saturation is possible, but, I think unlikely. Take the model aircraft industry as example. There are always new P-51 Mustangs and BF-109's coming out. As was pointed out earlier in the thread, the new to the hobby collectors will want examples of earlier releases they missed out on. Famous sells and the Tiger and Sherman are surely that. Anyway, the wide scope of the hobby leaves room for it all, at some point. JMO. -- Al
 
lancer said:
Saturation is possible, but, I think unlikely. Take the model aircraft industry as example. There are always new P-51 Mustangs and BF-109's coming out. As was pointed out earlier in the thread, the new to the hobby collectors will want examples of earlier releases they missed out on. Famous sells and the Tiger and Sherman are surely that. Anyway, the wide scope of the hobby leaves room for it all, at some point. JMO. -- Al
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Good point,there have been ME's, Spits and Hurricanes on sale for decades,the appetite for them never seems to wane.

Rob
 
I think on the real older items - K&C should think about a re-release - production and technology has improved and collectors would get a better model.

Also many collectors missed out on the items back in the late 90's and early 2000 - so this would be a good way to help those collectors.
 
tdubel said:
My comment is this, why not keep exlploring uncharted waters rather than re releasing old favorites??? It is nice to see new things. IN my opinion, Andy made the perfect Priest, why rerelease it? He made a great Lee, it stands on its own. He made a great Chafee. I like the original better than the re released 2. the DD 35 stands on its own.

I find it refresing that Andy keeps going forward and tries to sell new vehicles instead of the same old same old. I like the fact I have not seen a Tiger in awhile.

IMO

TD
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anybody got pictures of the K&C priest and lee?

don't thnk i saw them before, so i'll like to see it.
 
Many good views here. I truly believe we collectors can have it all, new releases of previously undone vehicles and remakes of existing ones. I'd like to see the emphasis on new vehicles ( ex. Cromwell ) but the occasional remake is good ( ex. Chaffee ). That is what K&C does so well as it balances new collector demands with the old established collectors who have those vehicles in their collection ( ex. Pz. III ). It is debatable whether rereleases devalue the highly collectible older pieces but frankly I'd don't care about investors/speculators I just want great pieces at affordable prices. Another point is simply collector tastes. Some collectors might just want a basic Tiger and Sherman and yet other enthusiasts might want every variant under the sun which I think is the category most TREEFROGGERS fall into. In my humble opinion the newer releases are far superior to most of the older ones as technology improves so I'm in favour of progress!
As far as multiple companies releasing the same model I say bring it on and let us decide where our money will go. That leaves us collectors with more choices which is always a good thing. Just because company A releases a model shouldn't discourage company B from releasing their own version, ultimately we collectors benefit by the choices.
Ahhh, there now I feel better. :p

Cheers
CFM :)
 
FIRST...I think that K/C products are "excellent"........but I think they have missed the boat in regards to the re-release of popular and "desired" WWII tanks and artillery.......Figarti has taken the initiative......IMO K/C should re-release what buyers want and have been asking for......Tigers and Shermans, 88mm guns and Panzers sell well in "GERMAN GREY" and would be much better quality(todays standards) then older K/C releases........I think most buyers would not have hesitated to buy K/C over Figarti had K/C taken heed to collectors requests........My point is that as a manufacturer it is important to "get off the line first".....There are only so many dollars available to spend & as collectors we cannot wait indefinitely for K/C........Most of us will not be able to collect multiple manufacturers versions of similar products........with all due respect....in my humble opinion.......By the way the K/C panzer III is excellent.....I hope that K/C beats Figarti to the punch on a 1:30 scale german grey Tiger
 
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