Is this the End of International Travel for Many? (1 Viewer)

[Desertkiwi]

[video]https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/covid-19-coronavirus-qantas-ceo-alan-joyce-says-proof-of-covid-vaccination-will-be-a-condition-of-international-air-travel/BZV7YVM5ZEGZUAK676RIC6DHY4/[/video]

 

[OzDigger]

Toddy, thanks for the link. I wasn't aware that QANTAS was introducing proof of Vaccinations for International Air travel. It's a great idea and I believe that a lot of airlines and Governments will apply this method of reducing the risk.

I certainly wouldn't have a problem being vaccinated against Covid19. In fact I had an Afluria Quad Flu injection yesterday at my local Pharmacy, cost me $20 but would have been free if was over 65 and had the jab at the Doctors.

Obviously there will be some people that will refuse vaccinations, that's how some are these days.

 

[wayne556517]

Fair enough to IMO.

 

[desk11desk12]

Imagine what will happen when a real killer pandemic spreads like the "Bubonic Plague" or the "1918 Flu" or worse hits!


COVID 19 can't lite a candle to compared to those pandemics and yet the world hides in fear, and we’re encouraged to surrender our liberties, way of life, prosperity to a virus that spreads quickly yet has a survival rate of between 99.5 - 999.6%.


Yeah, FEAR is a great motivator, especially when news reports/ social media broadcasts increased cases as if they were deaths. Anyone else notice that death rates have dropped significantly despite rising causes?


Haven’t we overreacted enough already?


Yes, protect the most vulnerable (Diabetics, Compromised Immune Systems, High Blood Pressure, etc.). expect the most vulnerable to be responsible and the healthy to be unguard (Social Distancing, masks) when around the most vulnerable.


Aside from that, let the world live, play, work, socialize and make their own decisions. Otherwise, COVID-19’s legacy will not be pretty. Freedom, liberty, free speech, self-sufficiency, confidence, hope, mental/ emotional health and happiness will be lost, and STATE will rule under the guise of benevolence.


Just some thoughts; BTW, did I just commit blasphemy?

Carlos

 

[Desertkiwi]

I don't wish to upset folks on here but I have a number of issues with this proposal. For starters it would be illegal unless supported by Government legislation. Its also discriminating which is against the Human Rights Act and believe it or not, not everyone can be vaccinated safely due to underlining health conditions.

Call me a cynic, but this smells like a publicity stunt to get Qantas's name out ahead of the pack.

 

[OzDigger]

I don't wish to upset folks on here but I have a number of issues with this proposal. For starters it would be illegal unless supported by Government legislation. Its also discriminating which is against the Human Rights Act and believe it or not, not everyone can be vaccinated safely due to underlining health conditions.

Call me a cynic, but this smells like a publicity stunt to get Qantas's name out ahead of the pack.

Doesn't upset me mate, I'm not a sensitive type.

It will be interesting to see how things develop there. They are a commercial airline and they seem to be able to make their own policies, our way or the highway to some degree. And based on past Australian Government reactions to the Pandemic, I suspect the Government will support it.

 

[Desertkiwi]

Doesn't upset me mate, I'm not a sensitive type.

It will be interesting to see how things develop there. They are a commercial airline and they seem to be able to make their own policies, our way or the highway to some degree. And based on past Australian Government reactions to the Pandemic, I suspect the Government will support it.

Oz, I suspect you're right regarding the Aussie Government.

I think we need to tread carefully here though mentioning Governments as we don't want to upset Julie and the Mods. ^&grin

 

[OzDigger]

Imagine what will happen when a real killer pandemic spreads like the "Bubonic Plague" or the "1918 Flu" or worse hits!


COVID 19 can't lite a candle to compared to those pandemics and yet the world hides in fear, and we’re encouraged to surrender our liberties, way of life, prosperity to a virus that spreads quickly yet has a survival rate of between 99.5 - 999.6%.


Yeah, FEAR is a great motivator, especially when news reports/ social media broadcasts increased cases as if they were deaths. Anyone else notice that death rates have dropped significantly despite rising causes?


Haven’t we overreacted enough already?


Yes, protect the most vulnerable (Diabetics, Compromised Immune Systems, High Blood Pressure, etc.). expect the most vulnerable to be responsible and the healthy to be unguard (Social Distancing, masks) when around the most vulnerable.


Aside from that, let the world live, play, work, socialize and make their own decisions. Otherwise, COVID-19’s legacy will not be pretty. Freedom, liberty, free speech, self-sufficiency, confidence, hope, mental/ emotional health and happiness will be lost, and STATE will rule under the guise of benevolence.


Just some thoughts; BTW, did I just commit blasphemy?

Carlos

The 1918 Flu Virus was certainly more dangerous than Covid19 as it was almost as deadly to younger people as to the elderly. However the higher number of deaths at the time had more to do with so many troops returning home after WWI allowing the spread, together with the lack of medical knowledge and treatment. They didn't even have antibiotics back then.

I have no doubt a more deadly virus will occur in due course based on past history. Let's hope more people co-operate with the authorities when it happens, but I have my doubts about that.

 

[Obee]

This is nothing new, having be vaccinated to travel internationally.

When I did my 'Big Trip' from OZ to Europe in my 20's I had to have all the required jabs such as Smallpox, Hep, etc because I could be refused entry to foreign countries without that. Everyone knew the rules, that if you don't get them, you don't travel ... simple.

I was in Nepal in 1976 and met us with a US doctor who was searching for cases of Smallpox, he couldn't find any, so was then heading off to Africa .... problem then he also had to get a Yellow Fever jab, like everyone else.

We will again have to have that little yellow book to travel .... but we can travel again

John

 

[DMNamiot]

No worries from the mods guys I think the precautions are necessary. Proof of vaccinations was required to travel with the Army and for overseas postings so I don’t think it’s a big deal. I have my yellow books as does my family so I can travel.

Dave

 

[jazzeum]

I lived overseas between the age of 5 and 17 and we used to come back periodically for “home leave.” Prior to our return overseas we’d need to get vaccinated. Dave mentioning the yellow books brings back memories. I think the first time we went overseas in 1956, I screamed bloody murder while I was getting vaccinated; my Mother had to bribe me with the promise of ice cream to go get the shots.

 

[Mirof]

I lived overseas between the age of 5 and 17 and we used to come back periodically for “home leave.” Prior to our return overseas we’d need to get vaccinated. Dave mentioning the yellow books brings back memories. I think the first time we went overseas in 1956, I screamed bloody murder while I was getting vaccinated; my Mother had to bribe me with the promise of ice cream to go get the shots.

Yes the same for me, about the same-time, I was 8 years old, first time going to join my father in Afrika ( Belgian Congo )
The shots were given in two sessions separated by 15 days . Don't realy remember crying, but well of a latent pain during 2-3 days . Then travelling by DC4, 3 days travel to arrive in Katanga, with many stop-over . Remember the first airport in central afrika on rammed earth, all the local maintenance staff ( central Afrikan ) climbing on the wings while we were living the plane for a waiting time in a barrack made of corrugate ., with wild trees all arround, me coming from an european city were I had only seen one Afrikan in all my life ... A bit aghats I was ...
BUT then.. the most beautufull place on earth .... Afrika ... My first home in Jadotville was the lat one on the lane; on my left a Greek neigbour, on my right and behind, the high burned grass of savanah... In the little garden, a papaya tree, 2 mango trees and 4 bananas trees . A groundlevel house, with walls of 1 brick thick, a roof in corrugate, window fram in iron, mosquitos neting, a ground of smooth concrete . And ... warm ... no TV; radio only on shor .. crccickk .. rt wav ... crracckk wiizz ... ve .

 

[zblang]

Yup! I needed vaccines for travel to Tanzania - not a big deal