John Wayne and the wrath of Bob! (1 Viewer)

[Rob]

Now not to upset my good friend Bob who is not only a true gent but also a fan of the Duke, but we gotta talk John here. Now I think he was superb in True Grit, really enjoyable in The Sons of Katie Elder and Rio Bravo is one of my fave Westerns which is due to him. But I am going to cause a religious outcry here, but I don't think The Searchers his best in my view({eek3}) I watched it again just the other day and I think he overacts quite badly in it as he did in The Longest Day. I am not saying he was not a good actor because he clearly could act, but I just think now and again he over did it. I saw him also recently in the Sands Of Iwo Jima and that was a difficult one as there was good and bad in that. I also think some of his performances were a little undermined by some of the characters they put with him, I enjoyed his cavalry movies (are they John Ford directing?) but the drunken Irish cavalry sgt often got a bit tedious. In True Grit he really acted but did not overacted and produced a wonderful performance, I think he made some terrific movies and was indeed a screen legend, but still not convinced re the Searchers.

Am I right or have I been inhaling sink cleaner again???

Rob

 

[RPZ]

Be easier to discuss if you referred to a specific scene(s).

 

[Rob]

Be easier to discuss if you referred to a specific scene(s).

But that's kind of my point, he does seem to over act in general in the Searchers but not in other some films , maybe it's about the director in charge perhaps? As I say very good in some films not so in others.

Rob

 

[jazzeum]

Stop nipping at the Drano{eek3}

 

[Buster]

Now not to upset my good friend Bob who is not only a true gent but also a fan of the Duke, but we gotta talk John here. Now I think he was superb in True Grit, really enjoyable in The Sons of Katie Elder and Rio Bravo is one of my fave Westerns which is due to him. But I am going to cause a religious outcry here, but I don't think The Searchers his best in my view({eek3}) I watched it again just the other day and I think he overacts quite badly in it as he did in The Longest Day. I am not saying he was not a good actor because he clearly could act, but I just think now and again he over did it. I saw him also recently in the Sands Of Iwo Jima and that was a difficult one as there was good and bad in that. I also think some of his performances were a little undermined by some of the characters they put with him, I enjoyed his cavalry movies (are they John Ford directing?) but the drunken Irish cavalry sgt often got a bit tedious. In True Grit he really acted but did not overacted and produced a wonderful performance, I think he made some terrific movies and was indeed a screen legend, but still not convinced re the Searchers.

Am I right or have I been inhaling sink cleaner again!!!

Rob

Sorry Rob, but I'd have to say it's latter.:tongue: I think you've got John Wayne movie critiques the wrong way 'round, it's True Grit and Sons of Katie Elder that are the clinkers and The Searchers, Red River, She Wore a Yellow Ribbon, Fort Apache and Rio Grande that are amongst the Duke's best work ..... just ask Bob - he'll set ya straight ..... Pilgrim! :wink2:^&grin

B.

 

[Rob]

Sorry Rob, but I'd have to say it's latter.:tongue: I think you've got John Wayne movie critiques the wrong way 'round, it's True Grit and Sons of Katie Elder that are the clinkers and The Searchers, Red River, She Wore a Yellow Ribbon, Fort Apache and Rio Grande that are amongst the Duke's best work ..... just ask Bob - he'll set ya straight ..... Pilgrim! :wink2:^&grin

B.

^&grin:salute::

I know he will mate, it's kind of why I posted it!^&grin:wink2: I think he should come and join us in the playground on this one!

Seriously though guys, do none of you think he did over act a bit? How about as the US Para commander in Longest day, that scene on the stretcher Was baaaad!

Rob

 

[DMNamiot]

Hi Rob,

The Duke made some great ones for sure but alas he made some real stinkers as well. I don't think it was his acting ability but really what the director was pushing him for. The bit of over acting when he was on the stretcher/cart was understandable if you remember that they didn't show dead soldiers all that much in those days so the shock effect of seeing the guys hanging in their chutes at Ste Mare Eglise was probably designed to "shock the audience" so some over the top facial expressions would be the order of the day. But he is still the Duke!

Dave

 

[Rob]

Hi Rob,

The Duke made some great ones for sure but alas he made some real stinkers as well. I don't think it was his acting ability but really what the director was pushing him for. The bit of over acting when he was on the stretcher/cart was understandable if you remember that they didn't show dead soldiers all that much in those days so the shock effect of seeing the guys hanging in their chutes at Ste Mare Eglise was probably designed to "shock the audience" so some over the top facial expressions would be the order of the day. But he is still the Duke!

Dave

Yes that's probably very true Dave. Also when you think about it very few actors only ever make good films, most have their stinkers that are best forgotten.

Rob

 

[waynepoo]

Now not to upset my good friend Bob who is not only a true gent but also a fan of the Duke, but we gotta talk John here. Now I think he was superb in True Grit, really enjoyable in The Sons of Katie Elder and Rio Bravo is one of my fave Westerns which is due to him. But I am going to cause a religious outcry here, but I don't think The Searchers his best in my view({eek3}) I watched it again just the other day and I think he overacts quite badly in it as he did in The Longest Day. I am not saying he was not a good actor because he clearly could act, but I just think now and again he over did it. I saw him also recently in the Sands Of Iwo Jima and that was a difficult one as there was good and bad in that. I also think some of his performances were a little undermined by some of the characters they put with him, I enjoyed his cavalry movies (are they John Ford directing?) but the drunken Irish cavalry sgt often got a bit tedious. In True Grit he really acted but did not overacted and produced a wonderful performance, I think he made some terrific movies and was indeed a screen legend, but still not convinced re the Searchers.

Am I right or have I been inhaling sink cleaner again???

Rob

Hey, don't agree about the Searchers, one of the best movies of all time. The real sinker he made was the 'Green Berets'! now that is a BAD movie.{sm2}
So just a tad of Drano Rob....:wink2:
Wayne.

 

[Rob]

Hey, don't agree about the Searchers, one of the best movies of all time. The real sinker he made was the 'Green Berets'! now that is a BAD movie.{sm2}
So just a tad of Drano Rob....:wink2:
Wayne.

^&grin

Ok its just me then guys, I apologize for suggesting he overacted I am clearly in the wrong. In the words of Edmund Blackadder ' I now will move to the Himalayas where I intend to live as a goat' :wink2::salute::

Not seen Green Beret Wayne, perhaps I won't now either!^&grin

Rob

 

[waynepoo]

^&grin

Ok its just me then guys, I apologize for suggesting he overacted I am clearly in the wrong. In the words of Edmund Blackadder ' I now will move to the Himalayas where I intend to live as a goat' :wink2::salute::

Not seen Green Beret Wayne, perhaps I won't now either!^&grin

Rob

Surprised you have not seen it Rob, don't bother mate, only one worse was the one where he played Genghis Khan....{sm2}
Wayne.

 

[Rob]

Surprised you have not seen it Rob, don't bother mate, only one worse was the one where he played Genghis Khan....{sm2}
Wayne.

I didn't know he'd played Khan Wayne! You learn something new all the time on here:smile2:

Rob

 

[lancer]

Ok. My wife overreacted when she found me sobbing uncontrollably at the keyboard. She asked me what was wrong, what had happened to cause me to break down. I managed to answer that my friend Rob had obviously lost his mind and was drinking Drano and must be in a despondent mood. She rushed to the phone, dialed 911, and requested an intervention and ambulance for Rob. I had to explain that Rob lives in Great Britain and was thus beyond the help of our Emergency Services system. She was in the process of getting the overseas operator when I stopped her, and I explained further that I would contact Rob and attempt to talk him in off the ledge. So, Rob, are you now alright? Have the hallucinations stopped? Please contact me to discuss the problem if you are ever again gripped by this John Wayne overacts in "The Searchers" nonsense. I'm here for you. -- Al

 

[Rob]

Ok. My wife overreacted when she found me sobbing uncontrollably at the keyboard. She asked me what was wrong, what had happened to cause me to break down. I managed to answer that my friend Rob had obviously lost his mind and was drinking Drano and must be in a despondent mood. She rushed to the phone, dialed 911, and requested an intervention and ambulance for Rob. I had to explain that Rob lives in Great Britain and was thus beyond the help of our Emergency Services system. She was in the process of getting the overseas operator when I stopped her, and I explained further that I would contact Rob and attempt to talk him in off the ledge. So, Rob, are you now alright? Have the hallucinations stopped? Please contact me to discuss the problem if you are ever again gripped by this John Wayne overacts in "The Searchers" nonsense. I'm here for you. -- Al

^&grin^&grin

Well I am truly sorry for any distress caused Al ^&grin Actually I'm probably beyond the help of our Emergency service too{sm4}

I will now go lie down in a darkened room for a while before returning to ask the question....has Mel Gibson ever made a good film???:wink2:

I obviously have failed to draw Bob into this discussion as he knows it is a trap. :salute::

Rob

 

[lancer]

^&grin^&grin

Well I am truly sorry for any distress caused Al ^&grin Actually I'm probably beyond the help of our Emergency service too{sm4}

I will now go lie down in a darkened room for a while before returning to ask the question....has Mel Gibson ever made a good film???:wink2:

I obviously have failed to draw Bob into this discussion as he knows it is a trap. :salute::

Rob

^&grin^&grin Glad to hear all is well, my friend. I think the Mel Gibson question a much easier one to answer and discuss. :wink2: -- Al

 

[DMNamiot]

I didn't know he'd played Khan Wayne! You learn something new all the time on here:smile2:

Rob

Do Not watch this one Rob its the main one I was thinking of but could bring myself to say the words...{sm4}

Dave

 

[Buster]

^&grin^&grin

Well I am truly sorry for any distress caused Al ^&grin Actually I'm probably beyond the help of our Emergency service too{sm4}

I will now go lie down in a darkened room for a while before returning to ask the question....has Mel Gibson ever made a good film???:wink2:I obviously have failed to draw Bob into this discussion as he knows it is a trap. :salute::

Rob

No Rob he hasn't, please feel free to trash Mel all you want ..... couldn't agree more ..... well with the possible exception Road Warrior ..... I know-I know, it's stupid, but it's a fun waste of an hour and half.:wink2:^&grin

B.

 

[TomB]

I didn't know he'd played Khan Wayne! You learn something new all the time on here:smile2:

Rob

Khan Wayne...correct....Khan as only John can play.....an even worse movie than the Searchers......yer not alone on the Searchers Rob.....cheers TomB

 

[Go for Broke]

Rob, go see the Green Berets. The battle scenes are great. I never saw the Searchers, but with all this talk, I'll be on the lookout for it. My favorite JW movies would be, The Longest Day (top 3-war movie for me), The Horse Soldiers and the Alamo.

 

[Rob]

No Rob he hasn't, please feel free to trash Mel all you want ..... couldn't agree more ..... well with the possible exception Road Warrior ..... I know-I know, it's stupid, but it's a fun waste of an hour and half.:wink2:^&grin

B.

Don't get me started my friend^&grin Gallipoli was a pile of unadulterated **** in my humble opinion. Then we have Braveheart and the Patriot two films of rare historical accuracy, enlightened outlook with real incidents not at all based on Nazi atrocities and brilliantly.....its no good I can't even type that without laughing into my drink! ^&grin^&grin^&grin^&grin

Khan Wayne...correct....Khan as only John can play.....an even worse movie than the Searchers......yer not alone on the Searchers Rob.....cheers TomB

Funny but now I think of it I have seen few of his non western/ War films (I enjoy Sands of Iwo Jima). Not seen McClintock, Ghengis Khan and I never watched that one where he is in Ireland and has an epic punch up, although have seen the fight scene.

Rob