John's 10 New Sudan Releases (2 Viewers)

[lancer]

The dog was called Bobbie:
Bobbie was the name of a British regimental mascot dog, a mongrel from Reading, who accompanied his regiment to Afghanistan and became involved in the disaster of Maiwand. He survived and upon his return to England was presented to Queen Victoria

Unfortunately, a year later, Bobbie was accidentally run over and killed by a hansom cab in Gosport. He was stuffed and can be seen today at the regimental museum in Salisbury

Thanks for the info, Chalklands. Quite incredible that Bobbie survived that battle, as it was for any of the 66th. -- Al

 

[aujj65]

I always thought it would be noticeable ..meaning the size... when you compared Jenkins with W.B. I didnt think they really matched up well.

K&C, JJD & WB.........not too bad really.

Jeff

 

[mk26gmls]

Stupid question.

I am not familiar with the Colonial Wars in Africa. With John's upcoming release on this subject, what will the color of the coats/tunics be on his latest British sculpts? Will they be red or a tan color? What unit are these to represent?

Thanks in advance.

 

[The Breaker]

Here's a repainted W Britain Highlander with the JJD Dervishes.

 

[aujj65]

Here's a repainted W Britain Highlander with the JJD Dervishes.

Very nice too!

Jeff

 

[mikemiller1955]

Here are some pics from Treefrogs pre-order on Wm. Britain's Nile series...

and John's prototype...

It looks like the size is okay...but they are many differences in the color of uniform, helmet, kilt, leggings, strapping etc...

the rifles most noticeably...

Britain's seem exceptionally short and John's seem exceptionally long compared to each other...

I have no idea which is more accurate or if there were two differnet models of rifles used in the engagement...

I wonder if they will go okay together...

 

[Mister Dave]

Stupid question.

I am not familiar with the Colonial Wars in Africa. With John's upcoming release on this subject, what will the color of the coats/tunics be on his latest British sculpts? Will they be red or a tan color? What unit are these to represent?

Thanks in advance.

Not a stupid question at all actually. I think Randy has provided some lengthy discussion on this already, but briefly these particular figures will be Gordon Highlanders and there has been talk of Naval Brigade figures to follow. These Gordons, as with most regiments arriving from Britain, were wearing grey or bluish tunics. WB's Blackwatch and Camel Corps figures are also shown in this uniform. Units arriving from India were mostly wearing varying shades of Khaki which was often improvised using various dyeing methods to alter their white uniforms. I think the single York and Lancaster figure from WB is an example of this. There are reports of the red tunics being brought along, but ultimately not worn, or worn under the other garments for warmth as needed. Hope that helps.

MD

 

[Combat]

For what it's worth, I thought the JJ Khartoum figures were smaller than his robust 60mm FIW figures. So maybe they will match up better with WB, but the styles are also different. The Khartoum dio was the hit of the show from what I could see. Really fantastic.

 

[PolarBear]

"The Sudan had 10 highlanders with more planned so c.18 in all; plus Royal Marines Light Infantry and other units to form a square for the battle of Abu Klea."

An answer given by John about the range at the London show to a collector posting on another forum. This confirms what John had told Louis in October.

Tamai rather than Abu Klea?

1st Battalion Gordon Highlanders at Abu Klea

In recognition of their services while on duty with the battalion during the operations on the Nile, Major W. A. Smail was promoted to a Brevet Lieutenant-Colonelcy, and Captain C. H. Payne to a Brevet Majority; and a gratuity was issued to all officers, noncommissioned officers, and men who had served at or south of Assiout, a private’s share being £5. All who served at or south of Korosko received the Egyptian medal, if it was not already in their possession, with a clasp inscribed "Nile 1884-85." Those who had the medal before received the clasp. A detachment of 31 non-commissioned officers and men who, under Lieutenants Payne and Stewart, had served with the mounted infantry, and, having accompanied General Sir Herbert Stewart’s Desert Column, had been present at the battles of Abu Klea and Gubat, received in addition the clasp inscribed "Abu Klea," while the officers and men of the detatchment which had served as the General’s escort with the River Column, were awarded the clasp for "Kirbekan," where they had of course been present.

Note: The Gordons at Abu Klea did not wear kilts but the cord breeches since they served as mounted infantry riding camels:

The British Camel Corps wore grey tunics, cord breeches and helmets stained brown. The infantry of the Sussex Regiment wore khaki tunics. The British troops were all armed with Martini-Henry single shot rifles and 22 inch bayonets, both infantry and cavalry, and mounted on camels, except the 19th Hussars which carried carbines and swords and was mounted on horses.

Therefore, I wonder if John meant Tamai rather than Abu Klea

British Regiments at Tamai
10th Hussars
19th Hussars
Mounted Infantry
Royal Artillery with six 7 pounders, ten mountain guns and four 9 centimetre Krupp guns.
Naval Brigade; 162 men with two 9 pounders, six Gatlings and Gardiner guns.
1st Battalion Black Watch
3rd Battalion King’s Royal Rifle Corps
1st Battalion Gordon Highlanders
2nd Battalion Royal Irish Fusiliers
1st Battalion York and Lancaster Regiment
Royal Marine Light Infantry

 

[The Lt.]

Here are some pics from Treefrogs pre-order on Wm. Britain's Nile series...

and John's prototype...

It looks like the size is okay...but they are many differences in the color of uniform, helmet, kilt, leggings, strapping etc...

the rifles most noticeably...

Britain's seem exceptionally short and John's seem exceptionally long compared to each other...

I have no idea which is more accurate or if there were two differnet models of rifles used in the engagement...

I wonder if they will go okay together...

The Martini-Henry on the JJ figures looks oversized and out of scale for the figure to me.....The Lt.

 

[jazzeum]

I'm not sure this prototype is the best measuring stick.

How do the rifles, etc. look on the unpainted samples at the London Show (as far as one can tell)?

 

[mikemiller1955]

Papa...maybe it is a little oversized...

Brad...you might be right...but I can't get a good view of the rifle in the prototypes hands...

Martini-Henry...Martini-Henry Mk I–IV

Specifications
Weight 8 pounds 7 ounces (3.827 kg) (unloaded), 9 pounds, 4.75 ounces (with sword bayonet)
Length 49 inches (124.5 cm)

The rifle was 49 inches (124.5 cm) long, the steel barrel 33.22 inches (84 cm).
The Henry patent rifling produced a heptagonal barrel with seven grooves with one turn in 22 inches (560 mm).
The weapon weighed 8 pounds 7 ounces (3.83 kg).

A sword bayonet was standard issue for noncommissioned officers;

The standard bayonet was a socket-type spike, either converted from the older Pattern 1853 (overall length 20.4 inches)...

when fitted,

the weapon extended to 68 inches (172.7 cm) and weight increased to 10 pounds 4 ounces (4.65 kg).

68 inches is 5 foot 8 inches tall...

if you measure the red line on the rifle...compared to the red line on the height of the soldier...the rifle with bayonet is taller than the soldier with helmet...

maybe this guy is only about 5'6"'s tall...with helmet...

I love the rifle...the detail and the paint job...and I don't mind if it's a little longer than it should be...as long as the entire series of the 42nd has the same length rifle in their hands...

5 foot 8 inches tall...from base of stock to tip of bayonet...is a very long weapon...

 

[mikemiller1955]

On the Wm. Britain...

maybe it's a bit too small...

if you measure the base of the stock of the rifle...to bayonet's height...

then to the soldier's height...

the bayonet comes to his neck collar...

he's a full head (plus) taller than the 5 foot 8 inch weapon...

if that height of the Martini Henry with bayonet is 5 foot 8 inches...

then this guy could play center for the Lakers...

easily 6 foot 8 inches tall...maybe a little more...

it's somewhere inbetween JJD's and Wm. Britains...

but again...if all the 42nd have the same length rifles...I'm okay with that...

 

[mikemiller1955]

My God...

I must be really bored to be doing this...

I'm not really that picky...

I love the figure.

Keep in mind...I measured from the base...not their heels...

 

[mikemiller1955]

I remeasured from their heels...

I'm tired of this...

make your own conclusions...

hahahahaha...

 

[aujj65]

I'm not sure this prototype is the best measuring stick.

How do the rifles, etc. look on the unpainted samples at the London Show (as far as one can tell)?

Try these for size.

Jeff

 

[mikemiller1955]

This is the guy I used Jeff...

it's hard to tell without a profile picture...

a side view...

the Jacobite Highlanders rifles seem long...and they look good to me...

I'm happy...just bored I think....

as long as all the JJD's 42nd have the same length rifle...I'm good...

 

[jazzeum]

I think after all this, we need a martini, the one you can drink

 

[mikemiller1955]

I think after all this, we need a martini, the one you can drink

Hahahahaha...with a couple of Scotch chaser afterwards....

 

[jazzeum]

Hahahahaha...with a couple of Scotch chaser afterwards....

Definitely.