July 20, 1969 (2 Viewers)

[wayne556517]

And i was joking about did it really happen.......................^&grin^&grin

 

[Mitch]

Brad..

certainly not by me. I commented upon the facts of what was needed others went off on a tangent. I do think though trying to show a country is somehow clean handed and better than another depends on where your standing. I know being and Englishman with our history enslaving half the world and murdering millions along the way means plenty could hate the Empire.

Your right with the aid of German scientists a moon landing was a huge feat at such a time in history with rocket design at such a stage. I did mention that there was a myriad of compelling evidence that puts a good case that it could also have been a bit of a porky.
Mitch

I don't understand how a thread celebrating the culmination of the goal of the space program could become so vituperative. It took many people to accomplish this feat, Americans, Germans and many other nationalities.

I was living in Madrid at the time and remember watching it on TV. It was a stunning achievement.

 

[Rutledge]

Your right with the aid of German scientists a moon landing was a huge feat at such a time in history with rocket design at such a stage. I did mention that there was a myriad of compelling evidence that puts a good case that it could also have been a bit of a porky.
Mitch

So exactly what percentage of responsibility do these German scientists have for the moon landing? Im a fan of specific facts and data, not raw speculation.

Speaking of speculation, what exactly is the "evidence" that the moon landing was a fake? Evidence is not the same as conjecture, you realize, I hope. No real doubt was ever definitive, far from it, of course, and all such doubt was postulated mostly by the half crazed nutbaggery that is the conspiracy theory community, augmented by sour faced disgruntled types who pour negativity, misery and discord wherever they can to try and bring others down into their chasm of despair.

 

[Mitch]

You cannot say Von Braun was X % responsible so, here are some facts that really show how much he was involved and how much the US actually needed him and his 120 colleagues taken from Germany.

He was in charge of all rocket programmes which were used in the Apollo programme and all Saturn rockets. He designed and ensured they were made to his and his teams specs. In 1952 a detailed plan was outlined in the Colliers magazine (I have a copy) describing in detail a moon expedition. His work is now commonly known as the space station.

His 1948 work on a mars expedition has been heavily used for current launches.

NASA's own history credits him with among other things being ''instrumental'' in the entire US space programme.

Life magazine placed him in the top 100 most important Americans of the 20th century
Mitch

So exactly what percentage of responsibility do these German scientists have for the moon landing? Im a fan of specific facts and data, not raw speculation.

Speaking of speculation, what exactly is the "evidence" that the moon landing was a fake? Evidence is not the same as conjecture, you realize, I hope. No real doubt was ever definitive, far from it, of course, and all such doubt was postulated mostly by the half crazed nutbaggery that is the conspiracy theory community, augmented by sour faced disgruntled types who pour negativity, misery and discord wherever they can to try and bring others down into their chasm of despair.

 

[Warrior]

Been super busy the past ten days or so and as I result, I'm just catching up on this award winner of a thread.

So the moon landings were fake; wow, you learn something new everyday; this forum really is the gift that keeps on giving. Quick, pass the tin foil hats, I'm fresh out.

From an entertainment standpoint, you really cannot beat this forum.

Someone needs to alert the Star and the National Inquirer, they'll be all over this development.

What's next; Elvis is really alive?

 

[Rutledge]

You cannot say Von Braun was X % responsible so, here are some facts that really show how much he was involved and how much the US actually needed him and his 120 colleagues taken from Germany.

He was in charge of all rocket programmes which were used in the Apollo programme and all Saturn rockets. He designed and ensured they were made to his and his teams specs. In 1952 a detailed plan was outlined in the Colliers magazine (I have a copy) describing in detail a moon expedition. His work is now commonly known as the space station.

His 1948 work on a mars expedition has been heavily used for current launches.

NASA's own history credits him with among other things being ''instrumental'' in the entire US space programme.

Life magazine placed him in the top 100 most important Americans of the 20th century
Mitch

Life magazine? Seriously? Are they still in business? But where did People magazine "rank him"? LOL.

Pre 1952 technology was quite antiquated relative to what we have today. Computers were in the very incipient stages. My wrist watch has more computing power than those early Apollo missions.

It's like saying the Wright brothers are due thanks for the F-23. Being a "father" of something doesn't mean you get credit several generations down the line.
And, Its not even in the same century anymore, you realize?

Nevertheless, if he had been taken in by Egypt or Brazil instead, do you think they would have gotten to the moon? Something like that is never about just one person. A huge team is required, as well as a highly functional ecosystem / product and project management skill set. He was hardly a lone wolf.

What about the evidence it was all a hoax? Do you have a copy of some ancient magazine supporting that "theory" as well?

 

[Rob]

Brad..

certainly not by me. I commented upon the facts of what was needed others went off on a tangent. I do think though trying to show a country is somehow clean handed and better than another depends on where your standing. I know being and Englishman with our history enslaving half the world and murdering millions along the way means plenty could hate the Empire.

Your right with the aid of German scientists a moon landing was a huge feat at such a time in history with rocket design at such a stage. I did mention that there was a myriad of compelling evidence that puts a good case that it could also have been a bit of a porky.
Mitch

Got to agree with the part about Empire. People (some on this forum I suspect) hate the Brits with as much venom as some who hate the Germans, but then as (I think ) an old Man Utd song that rang out at Old Trafford went, 'Everybody hates us we don't care'! :wink2:

Once had the misfortune to sit next to a conspiracy theorist on a flight home from Florida. My god everything you can imagine was not what it seems, pretty much from the Crucifixion up to Dianna's car crash was a hoax. In fact by the time we landed at 'Heathrow' (if that really is an airport) I began to wonder if my whole holiday was a trick played by Mr Walt Disney who was in fact a fish and chip shop owner from Blackpool!
Rob

Rob

 

[Rob]

My God i get sick of hearing how the 'Yanks bailed out the Brits' I gotta say. I think you'll find at even a cursory perusal of the History books that it was the men of the RAF who bailed us out of a pre planned German invasion in 1940 . And at the risk of offending my American friends and enlightened American members and at absolutely no offence to the Americans who did serve in the RAF during the Battle OF Britain, they did not make up the majority of pilots and ground crew who fought in that Battle that saved Britain ensuring that it became a beacon of freedom in Europe. :rolleyes2:

Rob

 

[jazzeum]

I don't understand how a thread celebrating the culmination of the goal of the space program could become so vituperative. It took many people to accomplish this feat, Americans, Germans and many other nationalities.

I was living in Madrid at the time and remember watching it on TV. It was a stunning achievement.

Again, I have to ask how did a thread on the celebration of the space program descend into name calling and topics completely unrelated to the space program. In my opinion -- and mine only -- it's a bit sad.

Brad

 

[Rob]

Again, I have to ask how did a thread on the celebration of the space program descend into name calling and topics completely unrelated to the space program. In my opinion -- and mine only -- it's a bit sad.

Brad

Brad, I do agree with you, however there are times when remarks are made when you just think ' enough' and such rubbish needs pointing out.

Like Mitch I thought the Germans did play a large part in the Space race but am perfectly willing to be educated re this subject as have never really read much about post War Space programs.

Rob

 

[Poppo]

Again, I have to ask how did a thread on the celebration of the space program descend into name calling and topics completely unrelated to the space program. In my opinion -- and mine only -- it's a bit sad.

Brad

Simply because apparently nobody has to say nothing more about the thread topic ^&grin

 

[Rutledge]

My God i get sick of hearing how the 'Yanks bailed out the Brits' I gotta say. I think you'll find at even a cursory perusal of the History books that it was the men of the RAF who bailed us out of a pre planned German invasion in 1940 . And at the risk of offending my American friends and enlightened American members and at absolutely no offence to the Americans who did serve in the RAF during the Battle OF Britain, they did not make up the majority of pilots and ground crew who fought in that Battle that saved Britain ensuring that it became a beacon of freedom in Europe. :rolleyes2:

Rob

So, the yanks were of little to no aid to the Brits, the Germans put us on the moon, the Russians won the war @ Stalingrad, we illegally nuked Japan, we conducted genocide against the native Americans and enslaved Africans. Today were the leading cause of global warming, the crisisees in Ukraine and Gaza, and increasing worldwide obesity rates from mcdonalds, coca cola, etc.

What a horrible place is the USA! I hate myself and my country!! :wink2:

 

[wadepat]

Gentle Friends,

July 20 has now come and gone and it is time to discontinue the exchange of heated accusations and rude comments. This thread is now closed.

Peace.

Warmest personal regards,

Pat