K&C style. (2 Viewers)

[braddinpa]

I am a very simple person. I say buy what you like. Because at the end of the day. It is your money and if you like a manufacturers style. Go for it. Because the Tank or Figure will be in your house. Enjoy it! Brad

 

[Rob]

So far this thread seems to be "freely" opinionated. And I am not saying K&C doesn't have blemishes. But overall, they do a good job for my wants. But that is overall. On an individual AFV basis they have done some I really like, even above ones done by other "better" manufacturers. But they have also done some terrible ones (my opinion) and I do complain about them - sometimes in a PM to Andy and sometimes in a Post. (And I always get a response even if I didn't want one ^&grin )

Terry

There you go, honest opinion, no drama, no temper tantrum, just your view. Can't ask for more than that.

So Terry, what would you pick as one outstanding K&C Tank and one you dislike most?

Rob

 

[Rob]

I am a very simple person. I say buy what you like. Because at the end of the day. It is your money and if you like a manufacturers style. Go for it. Because the Tank or Figure will be in your house. Enjoy it! Brad

Wise words my friend:salute::

Rob

 

[Firebat]

Sorry Alex but look around you, nobody else is running off in petulance, everyone is just chatting about what they like and don't like. Look at me and Neil , we've disagreed a lot in the past, but he's not run off saying ' look at me look at me ' he's just putting his view and experiences.

Sorry Alex, but there is no drama here.

Rob

Start saying there is a definitive better product by another manufacturer and then watch the drama begin, we all know to go easy here, that is why I brought the real story elsewhere, where feelings will not be hurt and collectors can truthfully learn reality..

And when you observe reality you may still choose not to go with it..............It is your choice.

Also keep in mind I am speaking of one Tiger Tank, not the whole Figarti line. I hope they continue with this format.....It is so definitive that I don't mind totally standing behind it and telling everyone who a has not seen one in person..............Well the Panther is a killer also.

 

[Rob]

Start saying there is a definitive better product by another manufacturer and then watch the drama begin, we all know to go easy here, that is why I brought the real story elsewhere, where feelings will not be hurt and collectors will truthfully learn reality..

And when you observe reality you may still choose not to go with it..............It is your choice.

Ok Alex, I've a feeling maybe you're not happy folk are getting along on here and even saying they like both companies or just buy what they like:wink2: So maybe it's best you go to the Figarti thread and talk about it there.:smile2: Best
Rob

 

[uksubs]

I am a very simple person. I say buy what you like. Because at the end of the day. It is your money and if you like a manufacturers style. Go for it. Because the Tank or Figure will be in your house. Enjoy it! Brad

Think your spot on :salute::

 

[Firebat]

Ok Alex, I've a feeling maybe you're not happy folk are getting along on here and even saying they like both companies or just buy what they like:wink2: So maybe it's best you go to the Figarti thread and talk about it there.:smile2: Best
Rob

Yes it is only fair.....These topics are not valid.

I like to deal in black and white but there is no black and white.....There is just style.....This should be ended.

I have found something I think is groundbreaking and I want to tell those who are only interested in that STYLE...That would not be here. I don't want to debate or argue, I just want to talk with those who are into the same STYLE as me.


K&C is a wonderful product please enjoy it.

 

[Rob]

Yes it is only fair.....These topics are not valid.

I like to deal in black and white but there is no black and white.....There is just style.....This should be ended.

I have found something I think is groundbreaking ans I want to tell those who are interested in that STYLE...That would not be here.


END THIS THREAD...and lets go to our corners and speak with those who like a common STYLE

Not at all, Chris started this thread and it would be totally wrong to end it because you now appear to have a problem with those who prefer K&C, even though some on this thread have said they prefer Figarti and nobody has had a problem either way.

Sorry Alex but you are not a moderator and there have been no unkind words or shutting down of free speech. This is an interesting thread and should continue.
Rob

 

[Firebat]

Not at all, Chris started this thread and it would be totally wrong to end it because you now appear to have a problem with those who prefer K&C, even though some on this thread have said they prefer Figarti and nobody has had a problem either way.

Sorry Alex but you are not a moderator and there have been no unkind words of shutting down of free speech. This is an interesting thread and should continue.
Rob

I stand corrected.

But you know these topics can be ridiculous.

 

[Rob]

I stand corrected.

Granted. And you are quite correct, that Panther from Figarti is a stunning looking release^&cool^&cool

Rob

 

[Phantom Warrior]

There you go, honest opinion, no drama, no temper tantrum, just your view. Can't ask for more than that.

So Terry, what would you pick as one outstanding K&C Tank and one you dislike most?

Rob

There are several good ones. The Tunisian Tiger comes to mind as the best Tiger done, not including custom jobs. As for worst, probably the last one your wife bought you that I wanted but couldn't afford ^&grin But a serious answer of recent ones. The European version of the 25 pdr (historical accuracy as noted in Posts I made); T-34/76 (lack of detail especially the captured German version as noted in Posts I made - but I bought the winter one anyway as the best I could do for a must have tank; M7 Priest (overpriced - kept the Figarti version even with a casting flaw and paint chips); the plastic Sherman (historical accuracy); some of the Russian figures as just badly done (described in a detailed post); and I know you will agree with me on this one - anything (P) as overpriced. :rolleyes2:

Terry

 

[Rob]

There are several good ones. The Tunisian Tiger comes to mind as the best Tiger done, not including custom jobs. As for worst, probably the last one your wife bought you that I wanted but couldn't afford ^&grin But a serious answer of recent ones. The European version of the 25 pdr (historical accuracy as noted in Posts I made); T-34/76 (lack of detail especially the captured German version as noted in Posts I made - but I bought the winter one anyway as the best I could do for a must have tank; M7 Priest (overpriced - kept the Figarti version even with a casting flaw and paint chips); the plastic Sherman (historical accuracy); and I know you will agree with me on this one - anything (P) as overpriced. :rolleyes2:

Terry

^&grin

Interesting choices there Terry, can't comment on the 25 pounder as I missed last show and not seen it yet. I too have the Figarti M7 and so never got the K&C version. I just love Figarti's US and British afv's, I have all the Brit's and many US but only one German and they are all superb. K&C 's Tunisian Tiger is superb ^&cool

We must disagree on P . ^&grin I now have many of the new P Arnhem Para's and I am more than happy with value for money, they are just clearly better in my view (and that of several of my fellow inhabitants of this currently wet and windy Island).

As for much discussed plastic Sherman, can't make up my mind and am again awaiting close up viewing, but I do like the idea of having a go at beating one up/weathering it.

Rob

 

[uksubs]

Yes Neil, it is my opinion. The first thing I said in my post was

"What are the features that keep ME buying K&C AFVs more than other brands." So clearly that is my opinion. And K&C doesn't satisfy my every want - I don't exclusively buy K&C. But the high volume of K&C sales must indicate that a lot of collectors have an opinion similar to mine.

Terry

Terry to be honest we can all see by dispatches over the last year K&C have cut back on the number of item there making so it can't be all good on that front ! i also do fill we're going of topic now with what your best tank bit

 

[Rob]

' i also do fill we're going of topic now with what your best tank bit '

Neil, it's pertinent because a) Simmo's thread raises questions about K&C's Tanks and people will use examples b) Terry as someone who knows a thing or two about tanks stated clearly that some he likes and others he does not, so it seems reasonable to ask him which examples clarify his point , not ' which is your fave Tank'.

Rob

 

[uksubs]

' i also do fill we're going of topic now with what your best tank bit '

Neil, it's pertinent because a) Simmo's thread raises questions about K&C's Tanks and people will use examples b) Terry as someone who knows a thing or two about tanks stated clearly that some he likes and others he does not, so it seems reasonable to ask him which examples clarify his point , not ' which is your fave Tank'.

Rob

Rob I just fill we're going of topic mate , the end of the day we all buy what we like there nothing wrong with that , some of my favourite stuff is KC and agree the new Arnhem P range is very impressive , no one else cover the BRITISH ARMY IN WW2 beside KC so don't want it to go into let knock KC thread

 

[Hunter Rose]

Terry to be honest we can all see by dispatches over the last year K&C have cut back on the number of item there making so it can't be all good on that front !

Honestly I think this trend will continue and KC's dominance of market share in the hobby will continue to decline.

I think the reason is that while the KC "style" has been very successful, it has also become very rigid and stagnant. There isn't much innovation coming from King and Country. Their figures are the same as they were five years ago and while their tanks have improved it's only been because they were forced to by competition. Things like more detailed tracks, better paint jobs, hatches that open/close, and antennas only came about after Honour Bound, Figarti, First Legion etc. did them. KC's innovation only seems to be in the area of the continual monthly price increase!!! (Okay, maybe that was a low blow)

KC makes nice tanks, but they also are very reluctant to change. Collectors have been asking them to put wire mesh engine covers and opening/closing hatches on their vehicles for years with no effect. That resistance to change is fine, and KC is free to run their company how they see fit, but they're losing this individual collector to their competition, when all it would take to keep me would be some extremely cheap wire mesh and a metal pin to make a hatch hinge.

 

[uksubs]

Yes Neil, it is my opinion. The first thing I said in my post was

"What are the features that keep ME buying K&C AFVs more than other brands." So clearly that is my opinion. And K&C doesn't satisfy my every want - I don't exclusively buy K&C. But the high volume of K&C sales must indicate that a lot of collectors have an opinion similar to mine.

Terry

That fine mate just don't agree with your opinion on the subject mate that all

 

[Rob]

Rob I just fill we're going of topic mate , the end of the day we all buy what we like there nothing wrong with that , some of my favourite stuff is KC and agree the new Arnhem P range is very impressive , no one else cover the BRITISH ARMY IN WW2 beside KC so don't want it to go into let knock KC thread

Yep hear what you're saying Neil and you are spot on re the Brits. Figarti make lovely Brit Tanks but when it comes to Tanks,figures and Aircraft K&C stand alone mate.

I know in recent times K&C have tended to make smaller tanks and I understand the reasoning behind this, but I hope one day they may return to making larger items like maybe some of Hobart's **nnies etc.

Rob

 

[uksubs]

Yep hear what you're saying Neil and you are spot on re the Brits. Figarti make lovely Brit Tanks but when it comes to Tanks,figures and Aircraft K&C stand alone mate.

I know in recent times K&C have tended to make smaller tanks and I understand the reasoning behind this, but I hope one day they may return to making larger items like maybe some of Hobart's **nnies etc.

Rob

To be honest Rob think Andy been spot with the latest British AFV going by reading Britain at war mag ^&cool

 

[Rob]

To be honest Rob think Andy been spot with the latest British AFV going by reading Britain at war mag ^&cool

Haven't got the latest issue Neil, will have to check that out.

Rob