K&C's Focke Wolfe wrong type? (6 Viewers)

[damian]

We are fortunate that we can benefit from the scholarly opinion of so many experts and enthusiasts on this forum.

 

[Mitch]

As long as its taken for what it is and does not restrict people who may not know as much in how they enjoy the sets they purchase. Any educational input is fine so long as it is used in the correct context. If it is seen as absolute irrefutable fact that will not be allowed to stand critique then it is sadly, bogus and should be ignored IMO
Mitch

We are fortunate that we can benefit from the scholarly opinion of so many experts and enthusiasts on this forum.

 

[IXEC]

Constuctive criticism is a staple in any hobby ....I have been down this road before on positions about the Me-163 as my postings on the subject will show, ( see below )

My concerns were largely ignored at the time.......

But now there's a "new" player in the game.......Will things improve, we shall see......


( Quote )

Don't get me wrong, I'm getting a couple of these Me-163 's. Its the only game in town. The Camo scheme is right but its applied wrong. The two color green splinter camo scheme should not end at the wing-root on the fuselage, but continue on the top fuselage and end at the rudder. Or the mottled gray scheme should extend the entire top of the fuselage. Not the way it is now.

Andy please get this Me-163 right, registration # 191 329 was not yellow 14 and is didn't belong to the 1./jG 400 , with the emblem " Wie ein Floh - aber oho ! " ( The Rocket-Propelled Flea )

If you want to use this unit emblem, than you can't have the Reg. # 191 329 and that camo scheme


Regards,
Paul T

 

[Mitch]

Ixec...

Not been on too long but, its probably, from what I see that was written, about the fact that you commented on errors but, the other stuff that was supposed to be connected with everything else or, not as the case may be.
Mitch

Constuctive critasism is a staple in any hobby ....I have been down this road before on positions about the Me-163 as my postings on the subject will show, ( see below )

My concerns were largely ignored at the time.......

But now there's a "new" player in the game.......Will things improve, we shall see......


( Quote )

Don't get me wrong, I'm getting a couple of these Me-163 's. Its the only game in town. The Camo scheme is right but its applied wrong. The two color green splinter camo scheme should not end at the wing-root on the fuselage, but continue on the top fuselage and end at the rudder. Or the mottled gray scheme should extend the entire top of the fuselage. Not the way it is now.

Andy please get this Me-163 right, registration # 191 329 was not yellow 14 and is didn't belong to the 1./jG 400 , with the emblem " Wie ein Floh - aber oho ! " ( The Rocket-Propelled Flea )

If you want to use this unit emblem, than you can't have the Reg. # 191 329 and that camo scheme


Regards,
Paul T

 

[Gazza]

I see that T.Gunn has now released his pricing for the FW-190 and in the UK it is £105.75; in contrast KC has theirs at a staggering £209.95 – which is c.100% variance in price

I am amazed there is not more noise about that

I bought the Hurricane but passed on the Spitfire because of the ridiculous price increase. And please do not insult my intelligence with "I remember when a Mars Bar was 10p nonsense."

With a more sensible priced manufacturer producing planes I will hopefully now be able to get a Spit from T.Gunn at half the price

Disclaimer:

I do not have a financial interest or holding in T.Gunn (or any other manufacturer)

I am prepared to repeat these comments in person

Just because it is not a happy-clappy KC post, I do not have any psychological problems

Cheers

Gazza

 

[Rob]

I see that T.Gunn has now released his pricing for the FW-190 and in the UK it is £105.75; in contrast KC has theirs at a staggering £209.95 – which is c.100% variance in price am amazed there is not more noise about that

I bought the Hurricane but passed on the Spitfire because of the ridiculous price increase. And please do not insult my intelligence with "I remember when a Mars Bar was 10p nonsense."

With a more sensible priced manufacturer producing planes I will hopefully now be able to get a Spit from T.Gunn at half the price

Disclaimer:

I do not have a financial interest or holding in T.Gunn (or any other manufacturer)

I am prepared to repeat these comments in person

Just because it is not a happy-clappy KC post, I do not have any psychological problems

Cheers

Gazza

Glad to hear all is well in your upper storey mate

Were Mars Bars ever actuallY 10p,oh the days of trotting off to newsagents with 50p in me pocket.I remember the days you could get a Mars Bar,Bankers pension and a French maid for that and still have change for eleven premiership footballers.

No one should be berated on this forum for the choices they make in their collections.Good luck to anyone getting the TG version,they make great stuff.Posts do not have to be happy clappy either. However I do think it a step far when someone pastes and posts another companys whole release blurb onto a thread he must be aware will upset folk, its common manners. It would be like me pasting Dispatches on Toms thread, I have much more respect for the guy to do such a thing.

Cheers Gazza

Rob

 

[IXEC]

Constuctive criticism is a staple in any hobby ....I have been down this road before on positions about the Me-163 as my postings on the subject will show, ( see below )

My concerns were largely ignored at the time.......

But now there's a "new" player in the game.......Will things improve, we shall see......


( Quote )

Don't get me wrong, I'm getting a couple of these Me-163 's. Its the only game in town. The Camo scheme is right but its applied wrong. The two color green splinter camo scheme should not end at the wing-root on the fuselage, but continue on the top fuselage and end at the rudder. Or the mottled gray scheme should extend the entire top of the fuselage. Not the way it is now.

Andy please get this Me-163 right, registration # 191 329 was not yellow 14 and is didn't belong to the 1./jG 400 , with the emblem " Wie ein Floh - aber oho ! " ( The Rocket-Propelled Flea )

If you want to use this unit emblem, than you can't have the Reg. # 191 329 and that camo scheme


Regards,
Paul T

And again here.....I made the point clear....and there were no more post from anyone after....

I was just ignored.......

What changed that now.....


The K&C Me-163 is carrying the Work Number 191 329 on it's Rudder and I know some details about this very Rocket Fighter.

The Me-163 with Work Number 191 329 was a type B Variant built by Junkers and was assigned to II./JG 400 and was part of Company 7./JG 400, know as " Yellow 7 ".

It was captured by the British Army, on the German Airfield at Husum on the last day of the War, May 8, 1945. It was shipped to RAE Farnborough and assinged Identity number AM200.

For some reason it was repainted when in British hands, as were may captured Me-163, so the camo color when on display in England was not the original.

But there are War time photo's of Wr.191 329 that do show Yellow 7's real camo scheme, when it was flown by Reinhard Opitz at Nordholz, Germany.

You will not see photo's of Wr.191 329 with the Unit Emblem that is on the K&C version because the K&C version's Unit emblem really belonged to JG 400's, I./ JG 400 Company Unit 1., not JG 400's, II./JG 400, Company Unit 7., the real unit Wr. 191 329 belonged to.

But I don't care too much about the Unit Emblem on the K&C version because it looks good. And I really like that K&C is making the Me-163.

But the way the camo scheme is applied in the K&C version could be better and it would not be hard to get it right, as all the camo colors are right but not in the proper location, ( on top , aft of the wings ). See my other post about the proper camo in this thread.

As my late father's unit was one of the first, if not the first unit to encounter the Me-163 on the ground at Venlo. I'll treasure this Great K&C release


Again....my tone is obvious....

 

[Mitch]

Ixec...

For fear my posts are being lost in translation I am not interested in what you have brought up or, anyone that has had a go at you I was merely as someone who did not get involved in the nuts and bolts of the FW offered an opinion as to why I thought you recieved the stick that you did.

I think my tone is clear
Mitch

Constuctive criticism is a staple in any hobby ....I have been down this road before on positions about the Me-163 as my postings on the subject will show, ( see below )

My concerns were largely ignored at the time.......

But now there's a "new" player in the game.......Will things improve, we shall see......


( Quote )

Don't get me wrong, I'm getting a couple of these Me-163 's. Its the only game in town. The Camo scheme is right but its applied wrong. The two color green splinter camo scheme should not end at the wing-root on the fuselage, but continue on the top fuselage and end at the rudder. Or the mottled gray scheme should extend the entire top of the fuselage. Not the way it is now.





And again here.....I made the point clear....and there were no more post from anyone after....


The K&C Me-163 is carrying the Work Number 191 329 on it's Rudder and I know some details about this very Rocket Fighter.

The Me-163 with Work Number 191 329 was a type B Variant built by Junkers and was assigned to II./JG 400 and was part of Company 7./JG 400, know as " Yellow 7 ".

It was captured by the British Army, on the German Airfield at Husum on the last day of the War, May 8, 1945. It was shipped to RAE Farnborough and assinged Identity number AM200.

For some reason it was repainted when in British hands, as were may captured Me-163, so the camo color when on display in England was not the original.

But there are War time photo's of Wr.191 329 that do show Yellow 7's real camo scheme, when it was flown by Reinhard Opitz at Nordholz, Germany.

You will not see photo's of Wr.191 329 with the Unit Emblem that is on the K&C version because the K&C version's Unit emblem really belonged to JG 400's, I./ JG 400 Company Unit 1., not JG 400's, II./JG 400, Company Unit 7., the real unit Wr. 191 329 belonged to.

But I don't care too much about the Unit Emblem on the K&C version because it looks good. And I really like that K&C is making the Me-163.

But the way the camo scheme is applied in the K&C version could be better and it would not be hard to get it right, as all the camo colors are right but not in the proper location, ( on top , aft of the wings ). See my other post about the proper camo in this thread.

As my late father's unit was one of the first, if not the first unit to encounter the Me-163 on the ground at Venlo. I'll treasure this Great K&C release


Again....my tone is obvious....

 

[Beaufighter]

It's a Fieseler 103 Fi 103R!!! http://www.wehrmacht-history.com/luftwaffe/missiles/fieseler-fi-103r-v1-flying-bomb.htm

Harvey

Thanks Harvey-I had already seen this site and am well aware of the A/C ID. I simply posted the pictures to demonstrate that there were similar designs-nothing more. I know that the K&C release was that of an artistic one and bought it knowing just that. If I had wanted an accurate historical reproduction, I would not have added it to my collection. Besides, I love the cart & figures. The FW is an entirely different issue as I expect it to be correct and or as accurate as can be within production limitations. As stated previously, I will wait to see the completed production version before deciding whether to add it to my collection.
Thanks,
Marc

 

[Mitch]

Is it not partly down to the fact that you are buying from what is seen as the best company out. My wife collects bears and buys Steiff now they are relatively expensive but, say a new manufacturer Charlie bears are some what cheaper but, as nice as they are they are not the same quality or, offer the same prestige.

The good thing is that collectors can buy from who they want when they want and at what price they want. Its a better position to be in I for one will be buying all three FW's because I prefer aircraft to AFV's but, thats my choice. What is good with firms like TG is that they allow choice and, put the collector in the driving seat and, manufacturers will have to act accordingly.

I think now you have raised it there will probably, be a debate but, as I have said before you should not be castigated when fairly bringing up a valid concern such as price. To not allow this debate is in my mind harmfull to everyone and the hobby.
Mitch

I see that T.Gunn has now released his pricing for the FW-190 and in the UK it is £105.75; in contrast KC has theirs at a staggering £209.95 – which is c.100% variance in price

I am amazed there is not more noise about that

I bought the Hurricane but passed on the Spitfire because of the ridiculous price increase. And please do not insult my intelligence with "I remember when a Mars Bar was 10p nonsense."

With a more sensible priced manufacturer producing planes I will hopefully now be able to get a Spit from T.Gunn at half the price

Disclaimer:

I do not have a financial interest or holding in T.Gunn (or any other manufacturer)

I am prepared to repeat these comments in person

Just because it is not a happy-clappy KC post, I do not have any psychological problems

Cheers

Gazza

 

[IXEC]

I see your point......

You see what you want to see......and you hear what you want to hear....

What can I say......except that, it reminds me........of a Fairy Tail




Once upon a time Years ago, there was a place called the Land of Point, because everything in the Land of Point, had one.

The barns, the houses, the carts, everything. Even the people. Everyone in the Land of Point had a point on the top of his head;

Everyone that is with the exception of Oblio. Now, although Oblio was born to a set of normally pointed parents, and although he was born physically perfect in every other respect, he was born without a point. He was round headed.

And as time passed, Oblio became increasingly aware of his uniqueness and so did everyone else, which made life in the Land of Point very uncomfortable for him and his parents.

You see, Oblio became sort of an involuntary celebrity, and he was prone to the sometimes cruel and unusual harassment from his schoolmates.
It wasn't easy being the only pointless person in the Land of Point. And in an effort to make life easier, his mother knitted a pointed cap for him to wear, it was to conceal his pointless condition, but it didn't do much good, since everyone already knew he didn't have a point.
So it only managed to make Oblio a little lonlier. In fact, the only real friend he had was his dog Arrow.

The national pastime in the Land of Point was a game called Triangle Toss. And Triangle Toss was a game for people with pointed heads. The object of the game was to toss a trinagle as far as you could, and run to the opposite end of a field and catch it on the top of your head. Since Oblio had no point, he would throw a triangle, and Arrow would jump up on his shoulders, and the two of them would run to the other end of the field, Arrow making the catch using the point on the top of his head.

Now most of the kids in the town thought it was alright to allow Oblio and Arrow to compete as a team, but there was this one kid, who was the son of the evil Count who was the aide to the king. And the Count's kid insisted that since Triangle Toss was a game for people with pointed heads, and Oblio obviously didn't fall into that category, he should not be allowed to play. Well to settle the dispute, it was decided to have a contest. Best two out of three tosses and catches. If Oblio won, he'd get to play. But if the Count's kid won, Oblio wouldn't be allowed to play. And that brings us to the game.

At the end of the game, Oblio had beaten the Count's kid two out of three. And when the Count heard of his son's disgraceful defeat at the hands of this pointless Oblio, he was outraged. So he went to the king and reminded him of the law of the land, which was that "All things and all people in the Land of Point, must have one." And since Oblio did not have one, he was in violation of that law, which called for his banishment. Now the king, who was a good king, was painfully aware of his duty which was to convene the tribunal. Upon the Count's insistence, that's what he did. And when the tribunal reviewed the case, they could only arrive at one conclusion: Oblio had no point, and was therefore guilty of being in violation of the law. And so it was that he and Arrow, for Arrow was found guilty of complicity, be banished from the Land of Point to the Pointless Forest.

The next day, Oblio's Mother and Father, and all the townspeople gathered to bid a sad farewell to Oblio and Arrow. Now, everyone thought that banishment to the Pointless Forest was a bit excessive, but the law was the law. And the people were good, law abiding citizens. Well, and it was the first time that anything like this had every happend and no one knew quite what else to do. So Oblio and Arrow set off for the Pointless Forest, where all things are pointed, and nothing is pointed. Oh, by the way, the distance to the Pointless Forest is directly proportional to the amount of time it takes to sing a song.

Finally the two travellers reached what appeared to be the entrance to the Pointless Forest. It was a huge thorny barrier, with a small sign at it's base, which read "This Way". Once on the other side of the barrier, Oblio and Arrow had their first encounter with the "Pointless Man" or the Pointed Man, depending upon your point of view. You see the Pointless Man did have a point. In fact he had hundreds of them all pointing in different directions. And as he so quickly pointed out, "A point in every direction is the same as no point at all". And speaking of points, I don't know if you've ever been to a pointless forest, but a forest is a forest and one of the first things that Oblio and Arrow noticed about the Pointless Forest was that all the leaves on all the trees had points. And all the trees had points. In fact, even the branches of all the trees pointed in different directions, which seemed a little strange for a pointless forest.

And when the Pointed Man disapeared, Oblio and Arrow were left standing alone, wondering what to do next, when suddenly they were aware of strange sound coming in from the north. And when they looked up, there was a giant swarm of bees headed straight for them. So, to seek cover, they jumped inside a hollow log. But when the bees attacked, the log was jarred loose, and it tumbled down a steep hill, and it careened and crashed finally into the base of a most unusal rock pile. In fact, the Rock Man. And the Rock Man said "Say, what's happening with you boys, you look like you're pretty shook up. You been goofin' with the bees?" And Oblio told the Rock Man that they were banished and asked him whether or not this was the Pointless Forest. The Rock Man said "Say babe, there ain't nothing pointless about this gig. The thing is you see what you want to see, and you hear what you want to hear. You dig? You ever see Paris?" "No." "You ever see New Dehli?" That was a no. "Well that's it. You see what you want to see, and you hear what you want to hear." And with that the Rockman fell soundly asleep, leaving Oblio and Arrow once again all alone. So, they continued on through the Pointless Forest until suddenly Arrow, who had been running a few feet ahead, disappeared. Into a hole.

After the incident with the bottomless pit, the two adventurers continued along the winding path, which led them through the Pointless Forest. And along the way they met the three Fat Sisters, who giggled, and laughed, and danced, and which point was fun and merriment. They also met the leafman, who told them to plant their roots in the Pointless Forest, and in the fall reap the harvest of green and gold leaves, which the forest had to offer. Well, needless to say, Oblio and Arrow were not interested in planting their roots in the Pointless Forest. In fact they had no roots to plant. So they thanked the Leafman, and continued on their way.

Little by little, Oblio was learning a great deal about the Pointless Forest and its inhabitants. But unfortunately for him, and Arrow, his knowledge couldn't possibly help him anticipate what was hovering directly overhead, until suddenly, the whole area in which they were standing grew dark from the shadow of a giant prehistoric pterydactyl. It swooped down and lifted Oblio and Arrow high above the Pointless Forest.


The giant bird flew Oblio and Arrow high above the floor of the forest, and on towards its final destination, a huge dome-shaped object which rested high upon a plateau, overlooking the entire Pointless Forest. And as the bird landed, it released Oblio and Arrow and they slid down the side of the dome, which in reality turned out to be a giant egg.

Well, at last it seemed as if they'd finally found something in the pointless forest which was obviously quite pointless. An egg. But at that moment the egg began to crack. And from inside the egg, came the strangest noise, followed by the appearance of a large point, attached to the head of the strangest bird, with the exception of the giant pterydactyl, either had seen. And after the exchange of a few astonished glances, the strange bird flew away, off in pursuit of the larger pterydactyl which was presumably it's parent, once again leaving Oblio and Arrow quite alone and as lost as ever.

So the two travellers set off once again, hoping to find a place to rest before nightfall, and finally they came to a clearing in the woods, where they paused to rest beneath a tremendous boulder. And no sooner had they sat down that the two travellers fell fast and deeply asleep.

CONTIUNED ON MY POST ABOVE

 

[IXEC]

See my post below for the beginning...

The Point......CONTIUNED......

The next morning, Oblio noticed that the rock underneath which they had slept was in the point of a giant pointing hand. And there was an inscription on the side which read "Destination Point". So they set off in the direction indicated by the hand, and before long they found themselves on a road, which led them out of the Pointless Forest, and on and on, through the pointed hills and valleys, until finally they paused. In the distance they could see the spires and the steeples of the Land of Point.

Now, when the townspeople heard that Oblio and Arrow had returned, they ran out to the edge of town to give them a hero's welcome. Not only were the people glad to see them, but Oblio and Arrow were the first people to have ever been to the Pointless forest.

When news of Oblio's return reached the Count, he was so mad that he ran to the courtyard and grabbed Oblio and he said, "What are you doing here? You were banished to the Pointless Forest." And Oblio said, "We went to the Pointless Forest, and not only that but it's not pointless at all." "What?" There was a huge gasp from the crowd. "Nonsense!" said the Count. "You're in trouble!"

Just then the king arrived and he said "Not so fast, Count. What do you mean, not pointless, Oblio?" And Oblio said, "Well, it's just that we did go to the Pointless Forest and it's not pointless at all. In fact, the trees pointed." "Noooooooo." from the crowd. "And all the leaves on all the branches pointed." "Noooooooo." from the crowd. "In fact, even the branches pointed. And not only that, but everyone we met, in the entire Pointless Forest had a point. And it's just that, well, it's just like here. And we figure that since everything has a point, then I must have one too. " Just then someone in the crowd yelled out, "He's got a point there!"

And at that point the bells sounded in the pointed steeple. And all the points on the tops of all the buildings in the whole Land of Point, began to melt. And at that point, the points on the tops of the heads of all the people in the whole Land of Point began to melt. All that is except for the Count's. His just kind of flooped over on it's side, and he split. Presumably for the Pointless Forest. But before he did, he reached over and he pulled of his cap. And you know what? There, on the top of Oblio's head, was a point.

Well, that's about it. That's the end of the story,



We shall see........

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Then I wonder why all the uproar over some posts by one particular member - especially when it was mostly factually correct? I have posted numerous posts on the K&C threads commenting on historical and insignia inaccuracies of K&C models and not once have I been castigated for it. Same for comments on historical accuracy, insignia and shipping damage/quality control problems I have made on the Figarti threads.

Terry

 

[Rob]

Then I wonder why all the uproar over some posts by one particular member - especially when it was mostly factually correct? I have posted numerous posts on the K&C threads commenting on historical and insignia inaccuracies of K&C models and not once have I been castigated for it. Same for comments I have made on the Figarti threads.

Terry

Terry I think most of us know IXEC is a flag waver for TGM,theres nothing wrong with that,good luck to him.But its bad forum etiquette to continue to do it on someone elses thread. For me it ruins his argument,the posting of the TG FW release blurb was a crass act designed to annoy fans of K&C. Terry would you ever go onto TG and paste Dispatches onto their thread,of course not,because you have a knowledge of history and are considerate of others.

I also think to a point he's bashing his head against a brick wall, I've a feeling a large percentage of folk know exactly which version they are getting already.

Once again there is nothing wrong with happy clappy posts,but there is a place for them.

Rob

 

[thebritfarmer]

Is it not partly down to the fact that you are buying from what is seen as the best company out. My wife collects bears and buys Steiff now they are relatively expensive but, say a new manufacturer Charlie bears are some what cheaper but, as nice as they are they are not the same quality or, offer the same prestige.

You make a good point Mitch. The name for me has a lot to do with it, it's what I grew up with and I still have a lot from my childhood. I can appreciate there are lots of great figures out there but there is something within me that will not allow me to mix manufacturers(I don't even collect multiple manufacturers and keep them displayed separately). I don't know what it is, lord knows I have tried. Accuracy therefore for me takes a back seat, if I like it and I think it looks cool then that is all that matters and opinions from others will not sway me one bit.

 

[Combat]

Tone seems to be the biggest source of these dust ups. Not so much what is said but how it is said. Then overkill occurs. Once everyone picks a side their positions harden and they want to have the last word. So it goes on and on until it gets out of hand. Then the resignations start, we all make up and it starts again. That seems to be the nature of internet forums and this one is more civil than most.

 

[jazzeum]

This has turned into one of the most bizarre threads I can remember seeing in five years on being on this Forum, particularly the two most recent posts by Ixec.

If I have somehow contributed to its bizarreness (if that is a word) or added to the negativity, the members and readers of this Forum have my sincere apologies

 

[uksubs]

Back on topic does anyone know if the tail wheel is being changed on the KW Fw 190

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Back on topic does anyone know if the tail wheel is being changed on the KW Fw 190

I have it directly from Andy that the tail wheel on the final version is in the locked down position and that it was up only on the prototype that was photographed.

Terry

 

[uksubs]

I have it directly from Andy that the tail wheel on the final version is in the locked down position and that it was up only on the prototype that was photographed.

Terry

Great news
Thanks Terry