King & Country DISPATCHES MAY 2014 (1 Viewer)

[spartan71]

I don't think your analogy completely works because critics are paid to do their job. Be that as it may, I do want to read what critics say about a book or movie and make my own judgment accordingly. Similarly, I like to hear the opinion of collectors who enjoy studying the finer points about vehicles and have them tell me if there are any errors or whether it saw action in the theater of operations the manufacturer says it saw action in. Again, I'm free to make my own opinion but as an educated consumer I want to have the option of so doing.

If you feel that your enjoyment of the piece has been ruined by what the critic collector has to say, all I can say it's up to each of us as to how we react to what that person says, but don't blame him for pointing out inconsistencies: don't kill the messenger.

Brad,
I value your opinion. So I will cease. The M3A3 is going back to Treefrog, And get some Firsr Legion pieces, safest buy. And staying away from K&C, again.

 

[uksubs]

I don't think your analogy completely works because critics are paid to do their job. Be that as it may, I do want to read what critics say about a book or movie and make my own judgment accordingly. Similarly, I like to hear the opinion of collectors who enjoy studying the finer points about vehicles and have them tell me if there are any errors or whether it saw action in the theater of operations the manufacturer says it saw action in. Again, I'm free to make my own opinion but as an educated consumer I want to have the option of so doing.

If you feel that your enjoyment of the piece has been ruined by what the critic collector has to say, all I can say it's up to each of us as to how we react to what that person says, but don't blame him for pointing out inconsistencies: don't kill the messenger.

Well put Brad:salute::

 

[spartan71]

When I said critic, it was not a movie critic. But someone who saw it. And more than likely told everything that was is wrong with the movie, even though people might have enjoyed it.

 

[Panzer ace]

I am just curious, is there a sense that if a photograph of something does not exist then the subject in question does not exist?

 

[uksubs]

When I said critic, it was not a movie critic. But someone who saw it. And more than likely told everything that was is wrong with the movie, even though people might have enjoyed it.

If you like the tank just keep it end of story happy days :wink2:^&grin

 

[binder001]

I am just curious, is there a sense that if a photograph of something does not exist then the subject in question does not exist?

Certainly not, but a VERIFIED photo can certainly help support one's position. My opinion on the M3A3 is not based on a lack of photos but by years of studying the US Army in the ETO. The Ordnance Dept of the US Army classified the M3A3 as "substitute standard" which meant that it could be used in place of the "standard" item in the event of a shortage. I have read about the ETOUSA being chronically short of medium tanks, but have never read about any shortage of light tanks. I'm not saying it isn't at all possible that one was used, but not very likely, plus it wouldn't have been used for long as the engine parts weren't stocked by US units. The "blurb" in the dispatches implies that this was a common US vehicle, whreas the historical record says differently.

As far as the movie critic comments - if a movie was advertised as being about the American Civil War but is in fact a movie about car racing, wouldn't you want someone to tell you?

 

[maddadicus]

Certainly not, but a VERIFIED photo can certainly help support one's position. My opinion on the M3A3 is not based on a lack of photos but by years of studying the US Army in the ETO. The Ordnance Dept of the US Army classified the M3A3 as "substitute standard" which meant that it could be used in place of the "standard" item in the event of a shortage. I have read about the ETOUSA being chronically short of medium tanks, but have never read about any shortage of light tanks. I'm not saying it isn't at all possible that one was used, but not very likely, plus it wouldn't have been used for long as the engine parts weren't stocked by US units. The "blurb" in the dispatches implies that this was a common US vehicle, whreas the historical record says differently.

As far as the movie critic comments - if a movie was advertised as being about the American Civil War but is in fact a movie about car racing, wouldn't you want someone to tell you?

I am beginning to think that the absolute rivet counters are taking themselves much too absolutely serious to absolutely declare that they absolutely know for an absolute fact that such and such vehicle never absolutely was ever at a certain time, place or event, just to mock those collectors who might buy a product just because they absolutely like it..How about mocking the tank model just because it is too small /undersized, under scale to the 1/30ish vehicles ,who came before it..That is why I did not buy the U.S. version because I bought the earlier release first. No one cared then about the size issue when it was brought up, but now we are supposed to return things, because a handful of the knowing wish to tell us the piece does not belong...This stopped being a toy soldier forum a long time ago when post about liking a model because of the pretty colors, the glossy shine, the excess polystone track mud, etc. showed us old time collectors that nostalgia was dead. Michael

 

[spartan71]

I decided to Keep the Tank, and to stop reading this thread, and stop reading any threads that I sense that starts out as a strong criticsm. I wonder if the threads that they had an opinion on is mostly criticism or praises?

 

[Phantom Warrior]

On the basis of verified photos, I hope K&C makes this historic model.

The infamous Nazi haystack tank was the real reason it took so long for the Allies to break out of Normandy. Capable of hiding in plain sight against ground troops and impossible to spot from the air, these tanks were part of Hitler's Western Wall. Designed for slow stealthy movement, they could sneak up on Allied positions at night and attack at dawn. So cleverly disguised, the Allies had to slow their advance in Normandy to check every haystack and manure pile lest they bypass and leave one of these monsters in the rear area or on a vulnerable flank. These tanks were so effective they made a disaster of the airborne glider landings buy sitting quietly in an open farm field. No need to worry about a glider hitting one - after all, it's just a haystack :rolleyes2:

General Patton was so afraid of this design falling into Russian hands for use on the Steppes, he ordered all haystack tanks and photos to be destroyed. Hunted ruthlessly by the 3rd Army, a few are though to have snuck past and made it to safety in Venezuela. A variant was later used by the IRA in Northern Ireland during "the Troubles" in the 1970s under the code name "Blankmange" and it wasn't until 1983 that German occupied Guernsey was free of them.

Terry

 

[Phantom Warrior]

I decided to Keep the Tank, and to stop reading this thread, and stop reading any threads that I sense that starts out as a strong criticsm. I wonder if the threads that they had an opinion on is mostly criticism or praises?

The review of the M3A3 was entirely positive. It's an excellent model.

http://www.treefrogtreasures.com/forum/showthread.php?46924-M3A3-Stuart&highlight=

Terry

 

[Blowtorch]

If you want pink tanks with purple turrets, you are sure free to buy all you want. What I resent is the manufacturer trying to tell you that a model is correct when it is certainly not! There's no excuse for sloppy research or letting sales marketing affect the models. Several manufacturers of "collectibles" have an institutional arrogance about asking for research help.

You can enjoy buying pink tanks and I will continue to call "BS" when the manufacturer tries to tell me that the pink tanks were an integral part of a historical campaign.

Gary B
Waverly, NE

I’m using Gary’s quote as an intro into this thread, but it’s not directed at Gary. But seeing how color has been brought up, and I have been involved with color research, and posts, and seeing the exasperation in Michael’s recent post, let me make a final comment on the Panther green, as the thread was closed before I closed.

The data, the scientific method & explained concepts I presented are primarily for the end user aka the decision maker aka the painter aka the company boss aka the marketer to navigate the world of olive green, and how it can be harnessed for his desired effect. To understand factory spec RAL olive green. Also, some of you might like to see the science too, but really it’s the bosses who need the knowledge the most. It was not a post to convince anyone to abandon their purchase. While I stand by my writings that given the current understanding of RAL olive green, the reasons I stated would not explain the given K&C color, there are other reasons which would. As DesertKiwi mentioned, there is mixing; that’s a big one. The paints were meant to be mixed. A local shortage of green with another color(s) mixed in, or local decision made on environmental color would suffice in explanation. The Nazi’s had access to the best pigments, yes. But paint requires other chemicals which the pigments depend on. Perhaps organic dyes were used as an experiment. Incredibly unstable.

To me the vehicle does not represent conventional historical understanding, but an artistic portrayal of a late war screwed up Wehrmacht machine. To me that message is well conveyed. I won’t be getting it, but only for space reasons, not color reasons.

 

[HobbyBunker]

Going for a ride on KnC001