King&Country Repaints.....A Good or A Bad Idea (1 Viewer)

[PanzerAce1944]

The great thing about freedom of choice is that you can all do exactly as you please, nobody to say its wrong or right. Over the years we've seen some stunning paint jobs on a whole host of subjects that really demonstrate the skill these people have. Myself I don't have repaints as I guess I'm a purist at heart and consider once another coat of paint is applied its no longer a K&C item, but that's my choice and I still really admire the skill involved in repainting these vehicles {bravo}}

Rob

Rob, I think the term you used : once another coat of paint is applied its no longer a K&C item is the reason why I have not gone the repaint route.
There is no arguing once someone modifies a factory produced item then as you say" it is no longer K&C",but turns into an individuals own rendition of preference.

I too am a PURIST Rob and would rather keep things as the factory originally intended. Hobbyists like Guy who prefer to go back and weather, re-do,repaint the
vehicle or figure do so as an extended part of the hobby for them and thats their choice and perfectly fine if they deem fit to do so.

PanzerAce1944

 

[Rob]

Rob....

Heaven forbid it happens but, your sets fall from a shelf and break. tears, anger, kick the cat etc etc would you bin these sets and try and buy new again or, would you get them fixed?

I appreciate your anwser and accept the way you rate K&C. just interested
Mitch

Hey Mitch,

That's a very good question, I guess a lot depends on which set it is. If it was for instance one of my ambulances or Tilly's then I would probably get it again if it were major damage. If however it was for instance my original Winter Tiger SL that had been damaged, or another retired item or some such I would probably get it fixed if possible. A lot would depend on item, cost of repair, cost of buying again. Actually your furry feline scenario has happened when one of my little darlings sent my Honour Bound Winter Panther hurtling towards earth from its parking space on my bookshelf, summoning up long hidden youthful Cricket reflexes I hurled myself across the room and caught said AFV as it plummeted earthwards. As a result said pussycat still retains her position in the household:wink2:

Rob, I think the term you used : once another coat of paint is applied its no longer a K&C item is the reason why I have not gone the repaint route.
There is no arguing once someone modifies a factory produced item then as you say" it is no longer K&C",but turns into an individuals own rendition of preference.
I too am a PURIST and would rather keep things as the factory originally intended. Hobbyists like Guy who prefer to go back and weather, re-do,repaint the
vehicle or figure as an extended part of the hobby for them and thats their choice and perfectly fine if they deem fit to do so.

PanzerAce1944

Hey PA,

I have the greatest respect and no little envy for the skill these guys have in repainting, I really admire their work a great deal. But for me when a K&C item is repainted it is a ' re imagining ' if you will and however good it looks its no longer the genuine article. This is just my view you understand and no disrespect meant to anyone. Again I guess its about being a purist, if I painted a Kubelwagon White I would always know its not the real deal, however good it looked. Also part of the fun of collecting is that over the years all these AFV's gradually get released and this is very enjoyable.

Again , just how I look at it guys

Best

Rob

 

[Northgate Woods]

Guys,
When you desperately need a set for a Dio and you ask Andy if he is going to do one and his answer is a distant maybe, then you have to swing into action. FW13 travelled the Nullabor Plains to young Obee's workshop for his conversion. I still have two of the original FW13's and I am over the moon about the work John has done on this vehicle.
Like Rob, I am a K&C Purist but a multiple just sitting there cried out to be convert to a German one in Palestine. Weathered beautifully for Beersheba. Many thanks to Obee.
Cheers Howard

 

[Rob]

Guys,
When you desperately need a set for a Dio and you ask Andy if he is going to do one and his answer is a distant maybe, then you have to swing into action. FW13 travelled the Nullabor Plains to young Obee's workshop for his conversion. I still have two of the original FW13's and I am over the moon about the work John has done on this vehicle.
Like Rob, I am a K&C Purist but a multiple just sitting there cried out to be convert to a German one in Palestine. Weathered beautifully for Beersheba. Many thanks to Obee.
Cheers Howard

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Hey Howard, superb looking repaint mate{bravo}}^&cool

Rob

 

[6th Wisconsin]

I think if it is a good repaint you could get more on EBay compared to the original, unless it is a rare, high-value piece. Yes, if it was done as a factory model later, it would perhaps become harder to recoup what you spent.

 

[The Military Workshop]

I think if it is a good repaint you could get more on EBay compared to the original, unless it is a rare, high-value piece. Yes, if it was done as a factory model later, it would perhaps become harder to recoup what you spent.

I agree.

Would be interesting to see Obee's repaint of KM17 into AK version or Howard's repainted staff car
and see how much they would get on Ebay compared to normal version.

Brett

 

[Shyguy151]

I agree.

Would be interesting to see Obee's repaint of KM17 into AK version or Howard's repainted staff car
and see how much they would get on Ebay compared to normal version.

Brett

Agreed!

 

[Northgate Woods]

I agree.

Would be interesting to see Obee's repaint of KM17 into AK version or Howard's repainted staff car
and see how much they would get on Ebay compared to normal version.

Brett

Brett mate,
Not in my lifetime.^&grin I get young Obee to repaint for my collection and not for resale. You may be able to test the water when I am gone because the GLW (Good Lady Wife) with certainly contact you for disposal of my collection.:smile2:
It would however be interesting to see what Forum members think they are worth.
Cheers Howard

 

[Blowtorch]

Lately I have been wondering what the general concesus is amongst collectors and doing "repaints" of their K&C Tanks and vehicles.

I'm pro repaint & won't be selling my collection. As for figs, I didn't even give these guys a second look in the K&C catalog until I saw Poppo's repaints:

 

[Mitch]

cost is a strange thing. I am a relative newcomer to E-bay but, I am quite surprised at the low cost that not only K&C items are getting but, most manufacturers. Apart from some desirable older sets and a few newer sets that seem to do well things don't go for near the original retail value.

Anyway in relation to repaints I have seen several go for very good money or, what I thought was good money and some that don't. I don't think thats a reflection on the painting as one I saw I thought was not so good and made good money and one I thought was exceptional went for peanuts.

I know from two I have done the Konigstiger with Zimmeritt a while back the collector who I did that for has since sold it on and got £485 GBP thats much more than the retail price of the original set.

I was offered for the recent tunisian wittmann winter tiger repaint I did for myself $600 USD but, its still on the shelf as it was for me. Though one is now winging its way to me to be done for the same chap so, he will get it cheaper than had I sold it

I suppose as it seems it depends on who is looking in at the time these items are up for sale

The good thing I have found is that people who go to the trouble of having these things done do it because they want them in their collections to enhance what they have in the main.
Mitch

 

[Shyguy151]

cost is a strange thing. I am a relative newcomer to E-bay but, I am quite surprised at the low cost that not only K&C items are getting but, most manufacturers. Apart from some desirable older sets and a few newer sets that seem to do well things don't go for near the original retail value.

Anyway in relation to repaints I have seen several go for very good money or, what I thought was good money and some that don't. I don't think thats a reflection on the painting as one I saw I thought was not so good and made good money and one I thought was exceptional went for peanuts.

I know from two I have done the Konigstiger with Zimmeritt a while back the collector who I did that for has since sold it on and got £485 GBP thats much more than the retail price of the original set.

I was offered for the recent tunisian wittmann winter tiger repaint I did for myself $600 USD but, its still on the shelf as it was for me. Though one is now winging its way to me to be done for the same chap so, he will get it cheaper than had I sold it

I suppose as it seems it depends on who is looking in at the time these items are up for sale

The good thing I have found is that people who go to the trouble of having these things done do it because they want them in their collections to enhance what they have in the main.
Mitch

Mitch,

You hit it on the head. I have U Boat with a crew made of repainted or even modified figures, and it was for me. The simple answer is I wanted it. As for Ebay or any resell market it comes down what somebody will pay. I do see both sides, but when you want something specific or a particular unit, you more than likely are going to have to paint it or have it done. I would love to see pictures of the Tiger.

Best,

Jack

 

[OzDigger]

I'm pro repaint & won't be selling my collection. As for figs, I didn't even give these guys a second look in the K&C catalog until I saw Poppo's repaints:

I'm also pro repaint, provided of course the painter is competent. However it has to be acknowledged that most collectors prefer to keep their sets in original condition and any resales of repaints aren't likely to achieve the value of original items, especially in the longer term.

 

[Mitch]

Jack..

Pictures of them well, as good as I can take, are in my albums. Looking forward to seeing yours. I did an Andrea U- boot a while back for a collector and, it was a superb thing. Never got round to getting one myself or, making one from scratch. I am wanting to and, the interest is rekindled as I am currently repainting and detailing one of K&C's Seehunds back to traditional U- boot grey.
Mitch

Mitch,

You hit it on the head. I have U Boat with a crew made of repainted or even modified figures, and it was for me. The simple answer is I wanted it. As for Ebay or any resell market it comes down what somebody will pay. I do see both sides, but when you want something specific or a particular unit, you more than likely are going to have to paint it or have it done. I would love to see pictures of the Tiger.

Best,

Jack

 

[Mitch]

Oz...

That may have been the case at one time especially, with the money K&C went for but, I am not so sure now. we are in a phase in the hobby where many more people are repainting, converting and similar than I would say at any stage before. There will always be the collectors who buy and want them the way that they come from the factory and those with a mind to resale in the future but, more people and, its growing (by the numbers I get and I am sure many others similar to me get) like to experiment with their sets.

It may be a change of boot colour or, just a regiment patch to a full repaint or conversion but, an awful lot are doing it. with the growth will come in time a change in prices for those done competantly. The prices are amazingly low compared to what a built and painted kit costs. I just hope we keep the speculators out!!!LOL
Mitch

I'm pro repaint & won't be selling my collection. As for figs, I didn't even give these guys a second look in the K&C catalog until I saw Poppo's repaints:

I'm also pro repaint, provided of course the painter is competent. However it has to be acknowledged that most collectors prefer to keep their sets in original condition and any resales of repaints aren't likely to achieve the value of original items, especially in the longer term.

 

[TomNT]

Brett mate,
Not in my lifetime.^&grin I get young Obee to repaint for my collection and not for resale. You may be able to test the water when I am gone because the GLW (Good Lady Wife) with certainly contact you for disposal of my collection.:smile2:
It would however be interesting to see what Forum members think they are worth.
Cheers Howard
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Im with you on the Famo Howard, i'll never sell mine although im curious on what it's worth and if it has a higher value than the kriegsmarine version.

Tom

 

[Mitch]

Nice Famo's like the subtle variations in the two repaints.
Mitch

 

[Jack]

Im with you on the Famo Howard, i'll never sell mine although im curious on what it's worth and if it has a higher value than the kriegsmarine version.

Tom

I would think that if someone desperately wanted the Kriegsmarine version this one may not be worth as much as you paid for it given that a new buyer would have to have it painted. Then again if the preferred version was unavailable, that would not be an influence on someone with money. If someone wanted a desert version I suspect it would be worth a good deal more than you paid for it given how unique it is. If someone just wanted a good looking vehicle with a great paint job it would probably be worth at least what you paid for it. Like many things, it has no intrinsic value beyond what someone is prepared to pay in order to possess it. I have always felt that people who can paint or modify vehicles get more 'value' from the hobby in that they can take their visions to a different level.

 

[Mitch]

I would agree with Jack here being able to see any WWII etc AFV in a book and deciding I want to paint or convert this into that is very satisfying for me as a painter and collector. I know many collectors who pour over the reference books looking for the different or obscure things they like the look of for their own collection. Its really a win win kind of situation
Mitch

 

[Normandy1944]

Reraints A good Idea Yes!!!

Hi I have rebuild and repaint the AK23 Into the Panzer IV, type H.

And rebuild and repaint BBA to DD




Harrie

 

[Normandy1944]

here's one of my last rebuild and repaints.
a Dutch supporter of the N.S.B, newspaper seller




Harrie