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[Cicero]

Hello Friends,

While I am a recent member, I have read a great deal of recent posts and the first thing that came to mind was "what the hoo-haa?" It occurs to me, that if one does not like a product, or questions it's authenticity/value, one....shouldn't purchase it. GREAT SCOTT!!! DO WE HAVE RATIONAL THOUGHT!!!!

Rather than spend all our time attacking a fantastic company that revolutionized the modern toy soldier market (a tribute to the company's brilliant ownership) lets spend our time appreciating one another and sharing our fantastic purchases....

Check this beaut out!!! The detail, the drama, the out-right symbolism -glorious...

This piece will add so much to my seasonal scenes, I can't wait to put it out this upcoming December. I really think this is the most underrated collection K&C has produced.

Happy Collecting/Hunting Gentlemen!!!

 

[Desertkiwi]

People flourish under praise and I'm sure company's like K&C do too. You'll find most members are very pro, however you're always going to get those who feel it's their role to criticize or analyse a product to death regardless.

In saying that, the forum is all about sharing ideas, having fun and at times discussing sensitive topic's, such as perceived faults or inaccuracies.

The trick of course is knowing when to button off, sadly there are some who haven't quite grasped that concept.

 

[Poppo]

Hello Friends,

While I am a recent member, I have read a great deal of recent posts and the first thing that came to mind was "what the hoo-haa?" It occurs to me, that if one does not like a product, or questions it's authenticity/value, one....shouldn't purchase it. GREAT SCOTT!!! DO WE HAVE RATIONAL THOUGHT!!!!

Rather than spend all our time attacking a fantastic company that revolutionized the modern toy soldier market (a tribute to the company's brilliant ownership) lets spend our time appreciating one another and sharing our fantastic purchases....

Check this beaut out!!! The detail, the drama, the out-right symbolism -glorious...

This piece will add so much to my seasonal scenes, I can't wait to put it out this upcoming December. I really think this is the most underrated collection K&C has produced.

Happy Collecting/Hunting Gentlemen!!!

I think you exagerate speaking of someone "spending all time attacking a fantastic company"...Most writeres here are "true believers", and some few critic what they don' t like.....Honestly, if there are excesses it is more on the other way....


PS: are you a fan of "Cicero", the famous german spy? :rolleyes2:

 

[TomNT]

Hello Friends,

While I am a recent member, I have read a great deal of recent posts and the first thing that came to mind was "what the hoo-haa?" It occurs to me, that if one does not like a product, or questions it's authenticity/value, one....shouldn't purchase it. GREAT SCOTT!!! DO WE HAVE RATIONAL THOUGHT!!!!

Rather than spend all our time attacking a fantastic company that revolutionized the modern toy soldier market (a tribute to the company's brilliant ownership) lets spend our time appreciating one another and sharing our fantastic purchases....

Check this beaut out!!! The detail, the drama, the out-right symbolism -glorious...

This piece will add so much to my seasonal scenes, I can't wait to put it out this upcoming December. I really think this is the most underrated collection K&C has produced.

Happy Collecting/Hunting Gentlemen!!!

Good thread and post mate and welcome to the forum.

Tom

 

[Mitch]

each to their own. If a product is wrong, has innacuracies or just plain made up then it is the place to discuss this and let everyone know. People are more concerned at detail and accuracy now and, with the cost of items as they are who wants sloppy research or similar.

If you don't want these discussions ask the manufacturers to do their homework better.

Welcome to the forum
Mitch

 

[larso]

"People are more concerned at detail and accuracy now and, with the cost of items as they are who wants sloppy research or similar."

This is your great bugbear Mitch - not mine, nor is it an issue with most collectors. I don't equate cost with perfection. I know you do, you say it on virtually every K & C thread. I've been thinking of this for a while but I wonder whether this hobby, at its present state of imperfection and high expense, is really for you?

Welcome Cicero. I look forward to discussing TOY soldiers with you.

 

[The Military Workshop]

Poppo,

When I saw the name Cicero I was thinking about the famous Roman / Italian and that it might indicate an interest in Roman times.

That is Cicero the Roman philosopher, politician, lawyer, orator, political theorist, consul and constitutionalist.

I learnt all about him at my school in England as he was particularly important in Ceasars time and ended up getting murdered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicero

A para from Wiki

While Cicero the humanist deeply influenced the culture of the Renaissance, Cicero the republican inspired the Founding Fathers of the United States and the revolutionaries of the French Revolution.[71] John Adams said of him "As all the ages of the world have not produced a greater statesman and philosopher united than Cicero, his authority should have great weight."[72] Jefferson names Cicero as one of a handful of major figures who contributed to a tradition “of public right” that informed his draft of the Declaration of Independence and shaped American understandings of "the common sense" basis for the right of revolution.[73] Camille Desmoulins said of the French republicans in 1789 that they were "mostly young people who, nourished by the reading of Cicero at school, had become passionate enthusiasts for liberty".[74] Jim Powell starts his book on the history of liberty with the sentence: "Marcus Tullius Cicero expressed principles that became the bedrock of liberty in the modern world." Legitimate government protects liberty and justice according to "natural law." "Murray N. Rothbard praised Cicero as 'the great transmitter of Stoic ideas from Greece to Rome. ... Stoic natural law doctrines ... helped shape the great structures of Roman law which became pervasive in Western Civilization." Government's purpose was the protection of private property.[75]

Perhaps he is not as well known as I thought.

Regards
Brett

 

[jazzeum]

http://youtu.be/BAIKNvv_b3I

 

[Cicero]

"People are more concerned at detail and accuracy now and, with the cost of items as they are who wants sloppy research or similar."

This is your great bugbear Mitch - not mine, nor is it an issue with most collectors. I don't equate cost with perfection. I know you do, you say it on virtually every K & C thread. I've been thinking of this for a while but I wonder whether this hobby, at its present state of imperfection and high expense, is really for you?

Welcome Cicero. I look forward to discussing TOY soldiers with you.

I don't know anyone of the forum to well yet so I don't want to pass judgment on anyone in particular - so this is just a general statement.

I don't see the fun in removing all concepts of fantasy out of the hobby. If there are inaccuracies who cares, but to complain about the paint scheme on a field grey Opel is beyond me - I see it as a waste of potential creative energy.

 

[Mitch]

each to their own. Nobody is asking for perfection as its never going to happen. Massive difference in what I and others talk about. Blatantly wrong issues, made up sets and everything else seen wrong colour wrong unit markings wrong location for a release should not happen. It is IMO harder to get these things wrong than it is to get them right.This is the hobby for me, I like most things but, that does not mean that we should accept everything released as great fine if you do but, with a membership of 3,000 its all about different opinions and ways in which we address items. you just seem happy with the set released and not about what it should look like and that's great for you. Others have different expectations and we are all free to voice them and discuss what we like and dislike.
Mitch

"People are more concerned at detail and accuracy now and, with the cost of items as they are who wants sloppy research or similar."

This is your great bugbear Mitch - not mine, nor is it an issue with most collectors. I don't equate cost with perfection. I know you do, you say it on virtually every K & C thread. I've been thinking of this for a while but I wonder whether this hobby, at its present state of imperfection and high expense, is really for you?

Welcome Cicero. I look forward to discussing TOY soldiers with you.

 

[Cicero]

each to their own. Nobody is asking for perfection as its never going to happen. Massive difference in what I and others talk about. Blatantly wrong issues, made up sets and everything else seen wrong colour wrong unit markings wrong location for a release should not happen. It is IMO harder to get these things wrong than it is to get them right.This is the hobby for me, I like most things but, that does not mean that we should accept everything released as great fine if you do but, with a membership of 3,000 its all about different opinions and ways in which we address items. you just seem happy with the set released and not about what it should look like and that's great for you. Others have different expectations and we are all free to voice them and discuss what we like and dislike.
Mitch

I'm not trying to fuel an argument but did you say you do not appreciate sets that are made up? If so, don't you think that removes some of the creative design from the hobby?

 

[Peter Reuss]

each to their own. Nobody is asking for perfection as its never going to happen. Massive difference in what I and others talk about. Blatantly wrong issues, made up sets and everything else seen wrong colour wrong unit markings wrong location for a release should not happen. It is IMO harder to get these things wrong than it is to get them right.This is the hobby for me, I like most things but, that does not mean that we should accept everything released as great fine if you do but, with a membership of 3,000 its all about different opinions and ways in which we address items. you just seem happy with the set released and not about what it should look like and that's great for you. Others have different expectations and we are all free to voice them and discuss what we like and dislike.
Mitch

When something is 'inaccurate' or even 'made up' people have a right to point out that fact. They also have a right to not purchase those products.

Blanket statements like 'K&C makes inaccurate and blatantly wrong figures' are not helpful. It beats the drum over old issues and glosses over the fact that K&C does a significant amount of research on their products and it shows!

People are free to 'accept' whatever they wish. It is not the job of a few to dictate what others can like.

 

[BLReed]

...... It is not the job of a few to dictate what others can like.

I must have missed the "dictate" part.

 

[Peter Reuss]

I must have missed the "dictate" part.

When people are repeatedly told how 'wrong' something is they can get the impression that are being told that they are 'fools' for purchasing something they enjoy.

 

[BLReed]

When people are repeatedly told how 'wrong' something is they can get the impression that are being told that they are 'fools' for purchasing something they enjoy.

Well, that is a stretch. In a like manner they can get the impression that they are "fools" for NOT purchasing something.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

I'm not trying to fuel an argument but did you say you do not appreciate sets that are made up? If so, don't you think that removes some of the creative design from the hobby?

So there is a tradeoff between historical accuracy and creativity? I prefer history to be more accurate and less made up. If more creativity is wanted, how about a range of Hitlers' Secret Weapons, or Never Produced Prototypes.

Terry

 

[bzr116]

I certainly see both sides...let's not take this healthy debate too seriously

 

[Cicero]

So there is a tradeoff between historical accuracy and creativity? I prefer history to be more accurate and less made up. If more creativity is wanted, how about a range of Hitlers' Secret Weapons, or Never Produced Prototypes.

Terry

I'm not saying that we need Hitler riding Pegasus as part of the LAH series, but I think a "What If" collection could open doors; for example, a successful Bomb Plot Assassination vignette with Stauffenberg and the other conspirators toasting champagne out front of the Reichstag would be interesting.

 

[bzr116]

I'm not saying that we need Hitler riding Pegasus as part of the LAH series, but I think a "What If" collection could open doors; for example, a successful Bomb Plot Assassination vignette with Stauffenberg and the other conspirators toasting champagne out front of the Reichstag would be interesting.

A "what if" collection would be nice...I have always wondered what Benjamin Franklin would look like carrying a thompson submachine gun.

 

[Cicero]

Well, that is a stretch. In a like manner they can get the impression that they are "fools" for NOT purchasing something.

I must admit, I have to agree with Peter on this. A select few members constantly berating certain aspects of the hobby make it more difficult for members to post their opinions on the forum or show off their collection for fear of reprisal. Let us end the toy soldier terrorism!!!