Lynchings in the US in 19th & 20th centurys (1 Viewer)

I started this thread because when I was a kid in school we learned about Trafalgar,Waterloo,Hastings, Charge of the Light Brigade and both World Wars of course, but never really learnt any of the darker things the Brits did. When I came across the extent and brutality of the lynchings I wondered if it was treated in the same way at school for you guys.

Rob

Rob-
I don't believe "lynching" is necessarily a topic covered in school. Particularly for younger kids. I"m not exactly sure what they could teach about it since it was a violent and graphic event. It would be sort of like teaching a course on Jack the Ripper to the kiddies in England. That's really a subject best left to adults and there are many books and movies widely available on the subject for anyone who is interested. It's not a secret kept from the masses. On race relations, at best, most kids here probably get some sense of the civil rights movement and Martin Luther King in the 60's and the Civil War. To be honest, we are lucky if the public school kids know there was a Civil War much less any of the details.
 
Rob...

lynchings might have been touched on in US History classes...I really don't remember...but only briefly at best... I don't remember any teacher stressing them as a part of our nations history...

however...this is a big however...

every kid in public or private school was aware of them...

either through school, the news media, movies or television...

television and movies mostly...

Hollywood glamorized lynchings in Westerns...

I think any American Treefrogger will agree with this...

even as a young kid...I remember...lynchings were a popular theme in our Westerns on television...

"The Old West" justice...

there was always a "posse" chasing down some "bad guy dressed in black"...

that was standard tv or movies...even in the day of black and white tv...

we were more sheltered from "racial injustices" on television and...

while just as true as the Westerns...I think most people find them utterly offensive for the racial undertones...
 
Rob...

lynchings might have been touched on in US History classes...I really don't remember...but only briefly at best... I don't remember any teacher stressing them as a part of our nations history...

however...this is a big however...

every kid in public or private school was aware of them...

either through school, the news media, movies or television...

television and movies mostly...

Hollywood glamorized lynchings in Westerns...

I think any American Treefrogger will agree with this...

even as a young kid...I remember...lynchings were a popular theme in our Westerns on television...

"The Old West" justice...

there was always a "posse" chasing down some "bad guy dressed in black"...

that was standard tv or movies...even in the day of black and white tv...

we were more sheltered from "racial injustices" on television and...

while just as true as the Westerns...I think most people find them utterly offensive for the racial undertones...

Interesting about the bad guys dressed in black. I don't think there was then, nor is there now, a racial connotation to that. However, some might feel very different about that choice of color.
But watching the old westerns, back when they first ran, and now on Encore Western, what is notably absent are any black faces. They just didn't exist on TV, other than Amos and Andy, in the 50s. Very very occasionally there would be a 'very special episode' with some black character playing some sort of mild mannered character. It was always a heart warming episode. Even Sammy Davis jr. had trouble on some shows. I remember hearing or seeing recently there was some issue with him and some white singer he was doing a duet with hugging when the number finished.
As far as lynching, as much as we thought it wrong, generally we had no idea of the brutality involved. It has been only later when we see, and read, about the horror of it, as well as the circus atmosphere that prevailed at each one these events, that the true nature of these come out.
I'm sure as kids we couldn't begin to understand how Romans could go to the Coliseums and watch Christians killed by lions as entertainment. In retrospect, it seems that with the exception of the lions there was little difference.
 
Interesting about the bad guys dressed in black. I don't think there was then, nor is there now, a racial connotation to that. However, some might feel very different about that choice of color.
But watching the old westerns, back when they first ran, and now on Encore Western, what is notably absent are any black faces. They just didn't exist on TV, other than Amos and Andy, in the 50s. Very very occasionally there would be a 'very special episode' with some black character playing some sort of mild mannered character. It was always a heart warming episode. Even Sammy Davis jr. had trouble on some shows. I remember hearing or seeing recently there was some issue with him and some white singer he was doing a duet with hugging when the number finished.
As far as lynching, as much as we thought it wrong, generally we had no idea of the brutality involved. It has been only later when we see, and read, about the horror of it, as well as the circus atmosphere that prevailed at each one these events, that the true nature of these come out.
I'm sure as kids we couldn't begin to understand how Romans could go to the Coliseums and watch Christians killed by lions as entertainment. In retrospect, it seems that with the exception of the lions there was little difference.

History is full of the many brutalities over time - Genghis Khan, Attilla the Hun and one of the worst now escapes my memory, of course the Romans. Kill or be killed was perfectly acceptable behavior as part of those times, dont necessarily agree with any of that, but I study history in the context it occurred and I want the same for my son. I dont believe in sugar coating or revisiting the morals of history. Lynchings in the Old West were at times very just, other times Not so much. The racially motivated ones are another subject entirely. As I stated before, I tend to look at history as it occurred. I don't apologize nor apply my modern values to my studies, I look at the facts in a very black and white manner.

This is in no way a condoning of horrid acts nor an acceptance of them, it is merely my way of reading/studying/processing history. Just my opinion, but I feel like there are too many folks who try to judge/apply modern morals to history; history is what it is and hopefully we have learned from past "mistakes" and we never repeat them.

TD
 
I have recently discoverd a part of History that I knew little about and has shocked me somewhat. I'd always thought of 'Lynchings' as the act of breaking someone out of prison and hanging them from the nearest tree. However from what I've been reading this is what happened to the 'lucky' ones!.

I honestly had no idea of the sheer brutality and sickening violence carried out at these events. Torture, mutilations, amputations and finally burning alive were common. One of the most famous, brutal and well organized Lynchings was visited upon one Henry Smith an ex slave who apparently confessed to the truly brutal killing of a young girl, Mytle Vance, whose father Smith had a grudge against. After going on the run he was hunted down and amid much celebrating and excitement was brought back to Paris Texas to face a hideous death. Having been paraded around the town tied to a chair on a float, he was taken out to scaffold erected on a prairie outside the town.

Tied to the scaffold and stripped to the waist he was for some fifty minutes burned all over his body with Red hot Irons by members of his victims family. Then having his eyes burnt out and an Iron placed down his throat and still breathing the scaffold was set on fire.

What shocked me is that there are a series of photos of this event including one in which family members are burning his feet and legs with hot Irons.This man was one of thousands killed like this, black and white, over the decades.

What I wanted to ask my American friends is this, did you learn about these Lynchings as you grew up, were they discussed openly or was it a taboo subject swept under the carpet so to speak.

I understand the Lynchings started after the Civil War when great tension existed.

Would appreciate an American view on this.

Rob[/QUOT
Thanks for posting that Rob , done American history at school but was never told stuff like that


Hey mate,I guess it is as Doug says below, we were not taught about Jack the Ripper at school as it wasn't a subject for kids, so the same goes for the lynchings.

Rob-
I don't believe "lynching" is necessarily a topic covered in school. Particularly for younger kids. I"m not exactly sure what they could teach about it since it was a violent and graphic event. It would be sort of like teaching a course on Jack the Ripper to the kiddies in England. That's really a subject best left to adults and there are many books and movies widely available on the subject for anyone who is interested. It's not a secret kept from the masses. On race relations, at best, most kids here probably get some sense of the civil rights movement and Martin Luther King in the 60's and the Civil War. To be honest, we are lucky if the public school kids know there was a Civil War much less any of the details.

Doug, Yes of course you are right it wouldn't be a fit subject for kids at school to learn about really would it. I phrased my original post badly I think, I didn't mean just at school I really meant how much the subject was acknowledged in general and whether it still caused debate.

Rob...

lynchings might have been touched on in US History classes...I really don't remember...but only briefly at best... I don't remember any teacher stressing them as a part of our nations history...

however...this is a big however...

every kid in public or private school was aware of them...

either through school, the news media, movies or television...

television and movies mostly...

Hollywood glamorized lynchings in Westerns...

I think any American Treefrogger will agree with this...

even as a young kid...I remember...lynchings were a popular theme in our Westerns on television...

"The Old West" justice...

there was always a "posse" chasing down some "bad guy dressed in black"...

that was standard tv or movies...even in the day of black and white tv...

we were more sheltered from "racial injustices" on television and...

while just as true as the Westerns...I think most people find them utterly offensive for the racial undertones...

Mike,

You have hit the nail on the head and its exactly why I posted my original question. As a kid I too loved Westerns whether film or tv, the Virginian being a favourite of mine along with High Chaparral etc. However these 'tv ' lynchings bore no relation at all to some of the truly barbaric events visited upon people in the years after the ACW, I truly had no idea of the Horror,spectacle and organization involved in them. Some were as simple as someone being tied to a tree and tortured to death and others involved mass rioting and siege of public buildings where accused were held.

I find many areas of American History very interesting indeed and this was just another I stumbled upon, in a whole different direction I am about to start reading about the architecture and construction of the buildings of New York:cool:

Rob
 





Mike,

I find many areas of American History very interesting indeed and this was just another I stumbled upon, in a whole different direction I am about to start reading about the architecture and construction of the buildings of New York:cool:

Rob

There you go Rob...a much more civilized part of American history...until you get into New York's current barbaric "bed bug" plague....:D
 
There you go Rob...a much more civilized part of American history...until you get into New York's current barbaric "bed bug" plague....:D

:D:D

I'm not going to ask if they are Northern or Southern bedbugs Mike!. I hear they shut down Reebok shop, I understand bedbugs get troublesome when looking for trendy sneakers!;)

Rob
 
Rob...I don't think they are really that big...but I may be wrong....

I think they are much smaller...
 
I have recently discoverd a part of History that I knew little about and has shocked me somewhat. I'd always thought of 'Lynchings' as the act of breaking someone out of prison and hanging them from the nearest tree. However from what I've been reading this is what happened to the 'lucky' ones!.

I honestly had no idea of the sheer brutality and sickening violence carried out at these events. Torture, mutilations, amputations and finally burning alive were common. One of the most famous, brutal and well organized Lynchings was visited upon one Henry Smith an ex slave who apparently confessed to the truly brutal killing of a young girl, Mytle Vance, whose father Smith had a grudge against. After going on the run he was hunted down and amid much celebrating and excitement was brought back to Paris Texas to face a hideous death. Having been paraded around the town tied to a chair on a float, he was taken out to scaffold erected on a prairie outside the town.

Tied to the scaffold and stripped to the waist he was for some fifty minutes burned all over his body with Red hot Irons by members of his victims family. Then having his eyes burnt out and an Iron placed down his throat and still breathing the scaffold was set on fire.

What shocked me is that there are a series of photos of this event including one in which family members are burning his feet and legs with hot Irons.This man was one of thousands killed like this, black and white, over the decades.

What I wanted to ask my American friends is this, did you learn about these Lynchings as you grew up, were they discussed openly or was it a taboo subject swept under the carpet so to speak.

I understand the Lynchings started after the Civil War when great tension existed.

Would appreciate an American view on this.

Rob

Rob, my family hails from central Texas (around the Waco area:eek:?) since the 1850's and yes we learned about lynchings but not at school just through family members. My grandfather was 15 when an especially brutal lynching happened in Waco (google lynching/Waco/Jesse Washington). While it is true that lynchings were not uncommon it seems that racially motivated ones had an unbelievable degree of barbarity to them. Given what we know of humanity's capacity for violence it isn't, unfortunately, too surprising. What is amazing is that the town that was the location for such a barbaric act produced Doris Miller a generation later. If you don't know his story you can google it as well.
 

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