ME 262 issues (1 Viewer)

[wayne556517]

Re: Follow up of ME 262 issues

Don't kill the messenger.

 

[Shyguy151]

Re: Follow up of ME 262 issues

Wayne,

Thanks for posting the pictures for me and if you coild do the same for the Uboat, I would appreciate it. Others have asked to see it too.

shyguy

 

[The Military Workshop]

Re: Follow up of ME 262 issues

Shyguy,
The U Boat is certainly impressive.

The photo of the plane does not prove anything other than it is damaged. I think you mentioned
twice there was something wrong with the gear (ie. gear were not manufactured properly). I think you are
referring to the wheels underneath but from what I can see they are both intact.

What we are still left with is that it mysteriously fell off your shelf on it's own accord and you expect a free
replacement for something K&C could not be considered liable for. If the tail of the aircraft was resting on the
stand provided it is very hard to imagine how it could slide off. If that was mentioned in your messages to K&C
I can understand them finding it hard to believe. Any cat's or children at home ? Any picture of the offending shelf ?

Regards
Brett

 

[Shyguy151]

Thanks Wayne. Much appreciatted. The crew is K&C, but many figures have been modified are repainted to fit the boat. I think the next step is to lose the figure stands, but they are working away as it never ends on a sub. She is a type IVC/40 in the Summer Atlantic scheme, and does have the schnorkel fitted, but will lose the main gun next cruise. Yes she really is 200 pounds of of wood built in the Phillapinnes, and about 7 feet long. Carrying a mixed bag of AA armenent, and radar warning sets. Crew is is not in formal dress, but here sister type VIIC from Engel will be dsiplayed with a crew at attention when she is not out in the lake. The Engel version is the Type VII C with full dive capability.

 

[lancer]

ME-262 aside, that is one incredible U-Boat that you have there. I am really impressed at the huge size and the display area needed to exhibit it. It must have been quite a feat to ship it and then set it up. The figure conversions are quite impressive, as well. Beautiful job. -- Al

 

[Mitch]

That might just take the feet out of the mouths of some of the doubters. Always better not to doubt someones collection just because you have not seen it. That is a lovely U BOOT I have a friend who has the Andrea 1/32nd scale which is huge and costs about £2,500 but, this is superb.

You do know there are enough people on here who could fix that aircraft wing without much problem and it wopuld look as good as new
Mitch

 

[Mitch]

Re: ME262 comments

Well we saw the U-Boat for sure just shows there are collectors who have lots of things we don't know about and just cause its not shown here proves there are collectors not on line with superb collections and things unseen
Mitch

Shyguy,
I was not referring to your comments about TG or Figarti but that your posts in those areas also mentioned K&C.
Your comments about K&C in those two areas were made around the same you started two threads complaining
about your 262.

For example you started a new TG thread "Awesome figures surpasses K&C". I have no problem with you holding
that view but forgive me when I express some cynicism about the timing of it when you are on a campaign
to get a free replacement for something mysteriously broken.

From my reading of the situation K&C has replied they will not replace your damaged 262. The consensus from
members of this forum (several apart from myself) was that you were unreasonable to expect a replacement
and the damage was your responsability. Clearly that is not enough for you so you start another thread and put
forward your case in a different way. No mention of falling off a shelf in your first post but now you have added
the bit that you came home to find it on the floor.

You seem to expect a "good faith gesture" when nobody else thinks K&C is liable. Sorry but your damage story gets no sympathy from me. In fact the nature of your threads brings to mind the word "shakedown" (Mods please feel
free to delete this line if it does not comply with any forum rules).

However I am sure we are all looking forward to seeing pictures of your 50 K&C aircraft and your 200lb U Boat.

Regards
Brett

 

[Firebat]

Just saw this topic.......I have had my ME 262 for about 2 weeks and I didn't open it up yet.......So I just raced downstairs to unpack it.......It is fantastic, and it sits up without any support. You guys had me scared, I would not have appreciated a tail sitter.........I used to get caught in these manufacturer support battles......It is such a waste of breath.....

I have 50 years of modeling experience, BSP has a vast array of products at our disposal, and as far as I am concerned all of the manufacturers are doing an incredible job. Alex


COOL SUB.............

 

[Mitch]

I am a bit concerned at the tone and manner in which shyguy seems to be being hounded from thread to thread. He has had a gripe posted it but, we have one member seemingly commenting in a rather negative manner and things like doubting his collection size and shake downs surely, is not the way the forum always seeks to be seen and promoted to those who may wish to join.
Mitch

 

[The Military Workshop]

Mitch,
Your concern is noted.

However perhaps if Shyguy had not started three threads on the same subject in a short time it would not have been necessary to jump from thread to thread when discussing his complaint. He had three threads going here and started another one on TG where he was commenting about K&C. That in itself was a strange way to raise the matter and certainly not likely to help forum members in looking at his point in a favorable way.

One has to wonder if he would have joined the Forum if his plane had not been damaged. I found the story as to how the damage was caused hard to believe, as do others.

Notwithstanding he has an impressive U boat the simple fact is not one forum member (including yourself) believes K&C are liable for the damage. In addition the photo supplied does not show any damage to the "gear".

As you imply I have probably said enough on the matter so will not comment further.

Regards
Brett

 

[Mitch]

I also added that I think he stood little chance of getting a replacement but, here is the place to Rah Rah and air angst. considering the price he paid for the sub I am sure he could easily afford another 262 (or squadron) should he wish to do so. It may be a legitimate concern he feels he has with the issues, well known, about the 262. Anyway, back to toy soldiers.
Mitch

Mitch,
Your concern is noted.

However perhaps if Shyguy had not started three threads on the same subject in a short time it would not have been necessary to jump from thread to thread when discussing his complaint. He had three threads going here and started another one on TG where he was commenting about K&C. That in itself was a strange way to raise the matter and certainly not likely to help forum members in looking at his point in a favorable way.

One has to wonder if he would have joined the Forum if his plane had not been damaged. I found the story as to how the damage was caused hard to believe, as do others.

Notwithstanding he has an impressive U boat the simple fact is not one forum member (including yourself) believes K&C are liable for the damage. In addition the photo supplied does not show any damage to the "gear".

As you imply I have probably said enough on the matter so will not comment further.

Regards
Brett

 

[cnq]

I think if I were K&C I would replace the plane. It looks like he's been k&c long time customer and probably has already spent ton of money on K&C. The way I see it things do go wrong and in this case plane fell off the shelf and that's no one fault.

 

[Shyguy151]

Guys for the record it was not my intention to have three threads. It was from sheer lack of posting and initial cinfusion. I just needed to get up to speed on the learning curve. The same goes for adding pictures that Wayne was kind enough to do. Sometimes you have to give the new guy the benefit of the doubt if you want new members. I joined as I was recommended to the site. Right or wrong I wanted to meet new collectors and dealers. Mitch thanks for the support and help.

 

[Mitch]

Shyguy...

No probs. Look forward to chatting and seeing more pics of the collection. By the way... Welcome to the forum!!!!!
Mitch

Guys for the record it was not my intention to have three threads. It was from sheer lack of posting and initial cinfusion. I just needed to get up to speed on the learning curve. The same goes for adding pictures that Wayne was kind enough to do. Sometimes you have to give the new guy the benefit of the doubt if you want new members. I joined as I was recommended to the site. Right or wrong I wanted to meet new collectors and dealers. Mitch thanks for the support and help.

 

[kogu]

That U-Boat is one extraordinary display and the crew is perfectly done.
This is something not often to be seen {eek3}
Thank you for sharing this part of your collection :salute::
Konrad

 

[Toy Soldier Brigade]

Andy should just send him a tube of glue. I've seen worse. Easily repaired, or it could be used a wreck in a diorama. That is the reason I stay away from the guns and toy soldiers when I've had a few drinks.

 

[Shyguy151]

Well guys guess what it is a flaw in the aircraft. I never noticed, but after the first time I put in my paint room, and the right gear slid inwards slowly but surely and must have been what caused it to come of the tail stand. I thought it was the left main or nose wheel, but apparently the right main is a weak cast and slides out from the weight of the aircraft. I would say that is a production defect regardless of the fall, and I can supply a picture if need be as it had bent in just sitting there. It was not noticeable before, but now it showed all it's on and after looking at the wheel casting it is the culprit. I think I will talk to K&C and see what can be done. It must have just slowly bent on the shelf from the weight of the polystone and then the tail skid fell out. I would suggest other owners check their planes out.

 

[Alex]

I believe you and think that it is surely possible that what you described happened

I can't understand how some people on this forum seem to find some pleasure in questioning your collection, etc.

Now I think that K&C should offer you a replacement if and only if that plane was at the beginning a tail sitter or / and there was a defect in one of the wheel.

Finally, if you knew that it was a tail sitter but never asked for a replacement before, it might be too late now.

NExt time you receive a defective product, say it right away and ask for refund, replacement or whatever. Better today than later.

Cheers

Alex

 

[damian]

Well I will certainly take extra care when displaying my tail sitter.

 

[uksubs]

Well guys guess what it is a flaw in the aircraft. I never noticed, but after the first time I put in my paint room, and the right gear slid inwards slowly but surely and must have been what caused it to come of the tail stand. I thought it was the left main or nose wheel, but apparently the right main is a weak cast and slides out from the weight of the aircraft. I would say that is a production defect regardless of the fall, and I can supply a picture if need be as it had bent in just sitting there. It was not noticeable before, but now it showed all it's on and after looking at the wheel casting it is the culprit. I think I will talk to K&C and see what can be done. It must have just slowly bent on the shelf from the weight of the polystone and then the tail skid fell out. I would suggest other owners check their planes out.

Well I don't think your have the same problem with Figarti He 219 as it made from different material & they spent over a year making sure it stand right .