mixing first legion & K&C (1 Viewer)

[DCN1898]

Here is the third picture. I'm sorry if they are too large!

 

[oberstoskar]

I selfishly hope that First Legion can upscale a bit to the size of Tinbay so that they match my pre-existing K&C figures better.

 

[FirstLegion]

I will Try an upload, my first one. I have comparisons of a Tinbay and First Legion Bavarian Infantryman and a comparison of Tinbay, King and Ciuntry, and First Legion. I tried to get figures that were fully upright.

One point of note on this regarding size is that our Bavarians (our first release) are our smallest figures. All of our figures since them are a few mm taller I think. The staff set in particular (and French artillery) are our tallest, with everything else somewhere in between.

 

[FirstLegion]

I selfishly hope that First Legion can upscale a bit to the size of Tinbay so that they match my pre-existing K&C figures better.

Well, that's not going to happen. Our scale is pretty well set in stone at this point. But, given that we have our major focus on Napoleonics, our Napoleonic catalog should outgrow K&C's Napoleonic catalog by the end of 2009 or certainly in 2010 and then continue outgrowing it over the years. That being said, it stands to reason that our figures will makeup a large part of your Napoleonic collection over time and as such, maybe you could then ask K&C to down size their figures to match ours...

 

[petebuster1]

I will Try an upload, my first one. I have comparisons of a Tinbay and First Legion Bavarian Infantryman and a comparison of Tinbay, King and Ciuntry, and First Legion. I tried to get figures that were fully upright.

Going by these pics i think these figures could mix pretty well

 

[Spitfrnd]

I selfishly hope that First Legion can upscale a bit to the size of Tinbay so that they match my pre-existing K&C figures better.

I can tell you with some confidence that they are where they will be in scale for the forseeable future. Remember that the Barvarians were their first release and, as shown in the scale discussion on their website, a bit smaller than all the rest. I am pretty sure FL figures will never be beefy with oversized hands and weapons, like K&C. Interestingly, the TinBay figures seem to have the same body types but are a touch taller than the Barvarian. They might fit pretty well with the other FL figures. Again, I hope to know for myself pretty soon.

 

[Mascleo]

The FL Bavarians are smaller than the other releases, not good to compare those with Tinbay. Try using the French infantry and you will see they do match. Except, IMHO, the tinbay figures are not as detailed painted as the FL and they cost more. FL does a better job with shading and facial details. Tinbay uses more single colors and does not have the micro details of FL. That is not to say the Tinbay figures are not impressive figures, they are. It is just that the FL napoleonics I have are almost to the level of aeroart.

Until First Legion started producing figures, I never thought I was going to be able to afford a diorama of Russian Connoisseur figures. So I look forward to their new releases.

The First Legion on the left is $35

http://www.firstlegionltd.com/images/products/detail/NAP0052_1.1.jpg

The Tinbay Nap on the right is $72

http://www.tinbay.com/images/catalog/iv/france/nf-15i-13/1.jpg

Notice the difference in the painting styles on the rim of the hat, hands, and mustache

Ken

 

[Spitfrnd]

The FL Bavarians are smaller than the other releases, not good to compare those with Tinbay. Try using the French infantry and you will see they do match. Except, IMHO, the tinbay figures are not as detailed painted as the FL and they cost more. FL does a better job with shading and facial details. Tinbay uses more single colors and does not have the micro details of FL. That is not to say the Tinbay figures are not impressive figures, they are. It is just that the FL napoleonics I have are almost to the level of aeroart.

Until First Legion started producing figures, I never thought I was going to be able to afford a diorama of Russian Connoisseur figures. So I look forward to their new releases.

The First Legion on the left is $35
...

The Tinbay Nap on the right is $72
...http://www.tinbay.com/images/catalog/iv/france/nf-15i-13/1.jpg

Notice the difference in the painting styles on the rim of the hat, hands, and mustache

Great comparison Ken and I completely agree with you. As I have said before, I would only use TinBay to fill in some gaps in 1st Legion poses or regiments but it is nice to be able to do that.

 

[petebuster1]

Heres K&C scots greys attacking first legions French first line, works pretty well.

 

[petebuster1]

Great comparison Ken and I completely agree with you. As I have said before, I would only use TinBay to fill in some gaps in 1st Legion poses or regiments but it is nice to be able to do that.

The difference is quality and price rules tinbay out for me.thanks for the comparisons Ken

 

[petebuster1]

I selfishly hope that First Legion can upscale a bit to the size of Tinbay so that they match my pre-existing K&C figures better.

I'd rather K&C and tinbay down scale and catch up with FLs quality,at least K&C have reasonable prices tinbays well ott imo.

 

[johno2412]

Heres K&C scots greys attacking first legions French first line, works pretty well.

love these pictures pete,i think the first legion soldiers are outstanding figures,but with already collecting k&c & britains i cant go down that road of collecting them wish i had the funds to do so

johno

 

[petebuster1]

love these pictures pete,i think the first legion soldiers are outstanding figures,but with already collecting k&c & britains i cant go down that road of collecting them wish i had the funds to do so

johno

Thank you, it is difficult with the choices out there, and the wife thinks collecting is easy i've been that impressed with Fls will have to go down that route just on a slightly lesser scale.

 

[petebuster1]

Re:how do you think these mix?

Thought i'd try a comparison

opinions please

 

[lancer]

Imho both of these sets are superb. Not much to choose from the painting styles although FL does appear to be a little more detaled. Size wise, it appears from the photos that KC is larger than FL. Is this the case or is it a photo angle issue? I have never seen FL first hand so photos are all I have to render an opinion on. Anyway, there does not seem to be much to choose between them. Let personal taste rule. -- lancer

 

[Spitfrnd]

Well I think your photo confirms my reluctant conclusion. The foot figures really do not mix that well. If you see them in person, there is a noticable difference in the painting and sculpting detail and accuracy in favor of 1st Legion. I could tolerate that but unfortunately, the K&C figures are a bit too much larger in height and bulk. I just found that the same is unforunately true for TinBay, which has a painting and sculpting much closer to 1st Legion. The good news is, that as your earlier shots show, the 1st Legion figures do fit OK with the K&C mounted figures. So until the French and English cavalry shows up, it is fine to me to mix mounted K&C with 1st Legion foot.

For foot figures, the best match I have found for 1st Legion is Wm Britain. Of course the painting and sculpting style is a bit different but they look pretty good together otherwise. I hope to post some photos to demonstrate this.

 

[petebuster1]

Well I think your photo confirms my reluctant conclusion. The foot figures really do not mix that well. If you see them in person, there is a noticable difference in the painting and sculpting detail and accuracy in favor of 1st Legion. I could tolerate that but unfortunately, the K&C figures are a bit too much larger in height and bulk. I just found that the same is unforunately true for TinBay, which has a painting and sculpting much closer to 1st Legion. The good news is, that as your earlier shots show, the 1st Legion figures do fit OK with the K&C mounted figures. So until the French and English cavalry shows up, it is fine to me to mix mounted K&C with 1st Legion foot.

For foot figures, the best match I have found for 1st Legion is Wm Britain. Of course the painting and sculpting style is a bit different but they look pretty good together otherwise. I hope to post some photos to demonstrate this.

yes i have to agree and in the flesh they look more out of place than in the pics,Fls i'm afraid enhance the fact imo that k&c figures could do with being a little smaller with added accuracy and painting quality.I dont think the pics show this as much as it is,not due to my photo taking skills more to a lack of them.Certainly the mounted figures do go together far better as i think i've shown in previous pics and does work as you said due to the horses.
i've found with even a fairly large diorama the infantry still look too big where as FLs fit perfectly.
No disrespect to K&C they still are good figures but as the saying goes 'you get what you pay for'.
look forward to your pics as i dont have WBs and likewise awaiting with great anticipation for FLs French & British cavalry

 

[Andanna]

I agree. The comp of the two foot soldiers confirms the size difference. KC are quite beefy directly next to FL.

Apart from cavalry, the other choice could be a pure infantry unit of KC's. Even within FL, there are size differences as the discussion of the Bavarians shows.

 

[Spitfrnd]

I agree. The comp of the two foot soldiers confirms the size difference. KC are quite beefy directly next to FL.

Apart from cavalry, the other choice could be a pure infantry unit of KC's. Even within FL, there are size differences as the discussion of the Bavarians shows.

That can work so long as you keep the units from bayonet range and I am currently doing that as I wait for 1st Legion to add the KGL and 95th Rifles. I will be selling my K&C Napoleonics as they are replaced by the equivalent 1st Legion unit.

It should be noted that the Bavarians were the first 1st Legion production which they have acknowledged as the smallest of their line. Even they look OK with the other 1st Legion units and I have found the releases since then to be pretty uniform in size.

 

[UKReb]

I had similar problems trying to mix K&C ACW with Britains and Conte-far too big and beefy when placed on the battlefield with their colleagues-just didn't work at all in fact to the point that even non-toy soldier collectors noticed the difference with quotes such as "The're big boys in that front rank".

However, likewise the mix of K&C ACW mounted figures with Britain's ACW infantry although not perfect the mismatch is not so obvious as it is with the standing figures.

I too quite like the K&C ACW series but I have had to demob my infantry figures onto a shelf or mini-dio. Subsequently, I reckon you fellahs will have the same size problem with FL & K&C as can be seen quite clearly from the shots already posted.

Bill-you're right Britain's size looks pretty good aligned with FL-saw that in London.

Reb