mixing first legion & K&C (2 Viewers)

[jazzeum]

Indeed, few better.

Indeed and on cue, here they are.

 

[Spitfrnd]

Indeed and on cue, here they are.

 

[petebuster1]

The "hands discussion", which involved about four people (not "many" in my opinion) indicated that the heads and hands of some early K & C figures were made slightly larger so the model figure would appear to have more realist proportions. If that's still the case, then clearly the method works well as all my K & C figures appear to have properly proportioned heads and hands.

I understand a similar scale trick has to be used when painting scale model vehicles. If you spray a model car with the same paint used on a real car it will appear to be a different shade. Apparently all due to changes in the perspective of the human eye.

Yes the great Michelangelo theory lol. Only talking about nap figures of which i have both K&C and FL, some of the k&c figures are nearly in proportion others are not, some certainly do have oversized hands and or heads and has already been stated FL painting is meant to look realistic and accurate which they succeed in doing.K&C figures are very good but in terms of realism are way behind FL and if you want a realistic dio theres only one choice.You only have to look at the horses to see that.

 

[Fusilier]

K&C figures are very good but in terms of realism are way behind FL and if you want a realistic dio theres only one choice.You only have to look at the horses to see that.

For what it is worth, I totally agree. The posing of the First Legion figures is great. As I continue to purchase the British Guards, I can't help but be amazed by the poses. Much more realistic and dynamic. The First Legion flags are much more realistic as well. Wavy flags are the best!

Noah

 

[petebuster1]

For what it is worth, I totally agree. The posing of the First Legion figures is great. As I continue to purchase the British Guards, I can't help but be amazed by the poses. Much more realistic and dynamic. The First Legion flags are much more realistic as well. Wavy flags are the best!

Noah

I think most of us are avid history buffs and personally like many others like to recreate something in history we can only read about and in order to do that for say a battle scene you want a good realistic diorama which wouldn't look very good with unrealistic rocks,trees and wrong colour grass etc,you want it to look realistic and the same goes for the figures.
I'm not putting k&c down they are great figures and worthy of any collection.I think they have real competition now as something that little more realistic has finally arrived.The K&C guards look very good on a dio,the FL ones look fantastic and thats the difference.Theres no 'toy soldier' look to these.
Something good for the hobby as a whole i would think

 

[Spitfrnd]

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I'm not putting k&c down they are great figures and worthy of any collection.I think they have real competition now as something that little more realistic has finally arrived.The K&C guards look very good on a dio, the FL ones look fantastic and thats the difference.Theres no 'toy soldier' look to these.
Something good for the hobby as a whole i would think

Well that I that is a good summary of my own impressions and it is not intended as put down of anyone, just an observation of why we have a preference for FL. It is also a fine point to make General with.

 

[OzDigger]

I can't see any head or hand problems with the K & C figures in my collection, and with only a handful of people complaining about this issue I'm happy to dismiss their claims out of hand

 

[jazzeum]

I think this subject has been exhaustively debated so it's time to move on. To each his own. Also, I'm not sure why you've debating this point Oz as you don't collect Napeolonics.

 

[OzDigger]

I think this subject has been exhaustively debated so it's time to move on. To each his own. Also, I'm not sure why you've debating this point Oz as you don't collect Napeolonics.

Yes, I do have hundreds of K & C WWII sets. However I also have three 1/30 scale K & C Napoleonic sets but I would not mix them with First Legion mainly because the later are to small being 1/32 scale.

If other collectors are happy to mix 1/30 with 1/32 scale that's fine by me. But why then complain that the K & C figures have larger hands, heads, bodies and weapons than the First Legion product. Well of course they do, they are larger figures, so why mix them if you are that particular.

 

[petebuster1]

Yes, I do have hundreds of K & C WWII sets. However I also have three 1/30 scale K & C Napoleonic sets but I would not mix them with First Legion mainly because the later are to small being 1/32 scale.

If other collectors are happy to mix 1/30 with 1/32 scale that's fine by me. But why then complain that the K & C figures have larger hands, heads, bodies and weapons than the First Legion product. Well of course they do, they are larger figures, so why mix them if you are that particular.

I dont think anyone is complaining simply stating a fact,as they are larger figures i think we know they would have larger hands but some are out of proportion with the rest of the body (there are several examples of this with nap k&c figures) hence the better sculpting/accuracy of FL and some inconsistency with K&C.Nobody has said you have to mix them either,i started this thread to see how they looked together and get peoples opinions.

 

[jazzeum]

Three K & C Napoleonics does not a collection make. Let's move on.

 

[OzDigger]

Three K & C Napoleonics does not a collection make. Let's move on.

I disagree, you only need more than one set to have a "collection"

 

[jazzeum]

Like I said, move on.

 

[Spitfrnd]

Since I have been "dismissed", I think it only fair to say that I believe we can dismiss that dismissal. I can now return happily to my collection of washed out, lilliputian Napoleonics; after all, I have some freaks to dispose off. Now where did I put the third one.

 

[nmrocks]

Three K & C Napoleonics does not a collection make. Let's move on.

Brad,
That's really out of line for you to make judgement on another man's collection.
Ray

 

[petebuster1]

I disagree, you only need more than one set to have a "collection"

true just not much of a collection to make many judgements on.

 

[Harrytheheid]

I dont think anyone is complaining simply stating a fact,as they are larger figures i think we know they would have larger hands but some are out of proportion with the rest of the body (there are several examples of this with nap k&c figures) hence the better sculpting/accuracy of FL and some inconsistency with K&C.Nobody has said you have to mix them either,i started this thread to see how they looked together and get peoples opinions.

And a very good job you did of it Mr Peterbuster1.
If I may say so, I've really enjoyed reading this thread. Its been extremely interesting as well as remarkably entertaining and illuminating. Which I think makes for good discussion and friendly exchanges of opinions.

Cheers
Harry

 

[OzDigger]

true just not much of a collection to make many judgements on.

Pete, I may only own three Nap sets. However over the last few years I have looked at hundreds of K & C Napoleonic figures owned by fellow collectors and in dealer displays. And no one has ever mentioned any K & C Nap body proportion issues and I haven't noticed any myself as I have previously said. And I'm sure there are many members on this forum that could confirm that I keep a close eye on what K & C produces and that I am a fussy guy

I have only seen four First Legion Nap sets in person and was impressed with their detail. But detail is not everything and on balance I prefer the K & C versions. Others will have different opinions of course but there is little point arguing over opinions as each collector knows what is best for their collection.

 

[Spitfrnd]

And a very good job you did of it Mr Peterbuster1.
If I may say so, I've really enjoyed reading this thread. Its been extremely interesting as well as remarkably entertaining and illuminating. Which I think makes for good discussion and friendly exchanges of opinions.

Cheers
Harry

I agree with you mate; the more punctilious the opinion the better I always say. By the way, since you are in and around the optical capital of the world (with appologies to my German friends), can you recommend a good magnifying optical device? I have been told I need one to appreciate my collection.

 

[jazzeum]

After eight pages of basically saying the same thing, it's time to move on and close this thread.