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We all have our moments Frank :eek: Sometimes best not to post first thing in the morning until we've had some coffee :)
 
tdubel said:
Alex,
I agree with your assessment and I think you have struck a point. Modelers are very different from "Toy Soldiers". I think we are all different. Some of us approach the hobby from a modelers perspective whereas others approach as a toy soldier collector. Again, different styles.

K&C is a hybrid of the two perspectives, hence why it has such a wide appeal. I think Britains is too.

FL is probably more geared for the modelers (or those who prefer that style) along with Aeroart, etc.

One of my finest pieces in my collection is an Aeroart Greek War Elephant. It is breathtaking.

Toy Soldiers perspective would reside on the glossy side meaning Trophy, Dorset, Ducal, Fusilier, Tommy Atkins, Toy Army Workshop, Errol John, Steadfast, etc. The Cottage Industry.

I think the Marlborough, Hocker, Durbar Ceremonial ranges are in a class by themselves too.

Again, it is all style and none are wrong. I have always thought the wrong thing to do is try and compare preference. These manufacturers are built for different folks. For me, I like them all in some respects b/c I don't sit firmly in either camp.


TD
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I agree with Alex and you Tom. I try very hard to keep preference and style and execution and implementation within a style separate. Once again, one can be judged objectively the other should not be. I have already noted the perils and harmlessness of using the term "best" and candidly, "no one can disagree", as applied to best has the same import to me; it is either a celebration or a shorthand reference to some unstated criterion, as for example, the point that Alex and you have made about the modelers' craft. If it is the first, that it is personal and not subject to dispute; if it is the second, it is meaningless without a common understanding of the criteria and cannot be debated without that knowledge. Either way, why does it matter? Unfortunately, not all folks take care to be precise in some of their choices of words in some posts, so misunderstandings can occur. In general conversation, the appropriate response to such a misunderstanding would be to simply pose a question. In any event, I think the modeling point is a good one.

I am happy to apologize for the diversion but I thought it could be useful to better understand some distinctions in comments that too often get ignored. Nothing ventured I suppose. Anyway, I hope this is enough on the arcane but interesting and we can go back to appreciating the figures that started this tread.
 
This is an efficient marketing tool, just post an touch post and we got more than 50 replies in less than 24 hours...:D

I will do this with my dioramas threads next time...:eek:
 
Hope this is not a further hijacking but I agree that FL is the realm of modelers. I believe Ken Osen has made this point. I also believe that Figarti is geared to modelers and I am in the process of seeing I can marry some Figarti Russian armor to some FL Russians :)
 
jazzeum said:
Hope this is not a further hijacking but I agree that FL is the realm of modelers. I believe Ken Osen has made this point. I also believe that Figarti is geared to modelers and I am in the process of seeing I can marry some Figarti Russian armor to some FL Russians :)
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That will work fine as both the Figarti Russian armour and the FL Russian figures are the same scale. The Russian figures that come with the tank are a little bit larger than 1:30 but not quite K&C size.
 
Thanks, Terry, that helps a lot. I will order a couple of figures now.
 
jazzeum said:
Thanks, Terry, that helps a lot. I will order a couple of figures now.
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They also go with the K&C AFVs for scale, although some collectors ddon't like how the paint jobs go together. The only scale problem is mixing FL and K&C WW2 figures as there is a noticeable size difference.

And FL does make some good figures, especially their sets of 3 - 4 specialty figures like the demolition team and engineers team.

Terry
 
Terry, Correct me if I am wrong but I think that FL figures are quite smaller then Figarti figures....Do you really think that FL WWII figures will go well with Figarti AFV's .....I don't think so.....Scale does not seem to match up with these two manufacturers IMO....I have Figarti AFV's.....And I do not think that FL WWII soviet figures match up well with Figarti's AFV Scale..(Not going to get into a scale war discussion)...Note however that FL will likely be producing a Russian Tank to go with their figures.....The FL germans go very well with the FL stugs and PanzerIII....This is my observation....It seems to me that Figarti AFV's will work with K/C but not First Legion.....Brad I don't think you will like the size compatibility of Figarti Soviet AFV's and First Legion WWII soldiers
 
Vezzolf said:
Terry, Correct me if I am wrong but I think that FL figures are quite smaller then Figarti figures....Do you really think that FL WWII figures will go well with Figarti AFV's .....I don't think so.....Scale does not seem to match up with these two manufacturers IMO....I have Figarti AFV's.....And I do not think that FL WWII soviet figures match up well with Figarti's AFV Scale..(Not going to get into a scale war discussion)...Note however that FL will likely be producing a Russian Tank to go with their figures.....The FL germans go very well with the FL stugs and PanzerIII....This is my observation....It seems to me that Figarti AFV's will work with K/C but not First Legion.....Brad I don't think you will like the size compatibility of Figarti Soviet AFV's and First Legion WWII soldiers
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Fmethorst and I posted on this topic several months ago when the first FL AFV came out. From a scale criteria, the FL figures, the recent Figarti AFVs and the recent K&C AFVs are all 1:30 scale and do go well together. We measured the AFVs for scale and posed figures against them comparing this to actual photos of soldiers next to their vehicles and they compared very well.

But you are correct that the Figarti Russian figures and all of the K&C WW2 figures are larger than 1:30 scale (for arguments sake 1:28) and do not mix well with the FL figures which are 1:30

So on a scale basis, one can mix FL figures with Figarti and K&C AFVs for an exact 1:30 look, or K&C and Figarti figures with FL AFVs for a K&C style display, but not FL Figures with Figarti and K&C Figures.

Terry
 
Phantom Warrior said:
Fmethorst and I posted on this topic several months ago when the first FL AFV came out. From a scale criteria, the FL figures, the recent Figarti AFVs and the recent K&C AFVs are all 1:30 scale and do go well together. We measured the AFVs for scale and posed figures against them comparing this to actual photos of soldiers next to their vehicles and they compared very well.

But you are correct that the Figarti Russian figures and all of the K&C WW2 figures are larger than 1:30 scale (for arguments sake 1:28) and do not mix well with the FL figures which are 1:30

So on a scale basis, one can mix FL figures with Figarti and K&C AFVs for an exact 1:30 look, or K&C and Figarti figures with FL AFVs for a K&C style display, but not FL Figures with Figarti and K&C Figures.

Terry
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I think the measurements are took from different parts of the body. there are some figures considered 54mm measurement is took from the shoulders to the feet, others from the head to the feet, this why, i think, there are some variation with companies claimed to be 54mm or 60mm.

Just my opinion.

Ciau
 
Phantom Warrior said:
Fmethorst and I posted on this topic several months ago when the first FL AFV came out. From a scale criteria, the FL figures, the recent Figarti AFVs and the recent K&C AFVs are all 1:30 scale and do go well together. We measured the AFVs for scale and posed figures against them comparing this to actual photos of soldiers next to their vehicles and they compared very well.

But you are correct that the Figarti Russian figures and all of the K&C WW2 figures are larger than 1:30 scale (for arguments sake 1:28) and do not mix well with the FL figures which are 1:30

So on a scale basis, one can mix FL figures with Figarti and K&C AFVs for an exact 1:30 look, or K&C and Figarti figures with FL AFVs for a K&C style display, but not FL Figures with Figarti and K&C Figures.

Terry
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Terry, I have placed FL WWII soviet Figures next to the Figarti Russian Tank recently released and they do not match up well in scale....Some how it seems to be very off to my eye.....I don't think that most folks will be happy placing FL WWII soviets/germans next to Figarti AFV's....there is a scale difference that is quite evident.....I'm sure that FL will be releasing Soviet Armour soon....and that will be the best match for FL figures IMO.....I do use Figarti AFV's with K/C figures....but not FL with Figarti....for me it does not work
 
debrito said:
I think the measurements are took from different parts of the body. there are some figures considered 54mm measurement is took from the shoulders to the feet, others from the head to the feet, this why, i think, there are some variation with companies claimed to be 54mm or 60mm.

Just my opinion.

Ciau
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That's true, how the figure is measured makes a big difference, not to mention variations in human dimensions in a population. But we did not measure the figures, only the AFVs where the exact measurements are published. We checked how well the model figures appeared next to the model AFVs by comparing them to actual photos of real soldiers standing next to real AFVs. The FL figures appeared correct while the K&C figures appeared a bit large.

Terry
 
Vezzolf said:
Terry, I have placed FL WWII soviet Figures next to the Figarti Russian Tank recently released and they do not match up well in scale....Some how it seems to be very off to my eye.....I don't think that most folks will be happy placing FL WWII soviets/germans next to Figarti AFV's....there is a scale difference that is quite evident.....I'm sure that FL will be releasing Soviet Armour soon....and that will be the best match for FL figures
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I suggest placing the FL figures next to a Figarti tank, then find some WW2 photos and see where the figures shoulders and top of head reach. Compare the models to the actual photos of figures next to the same type of tank. They should be the same because the Russian tank is 1:30 and so are the FL figures.

Terry
 
I understand what you are saying but do you own any FL WWII soldiers??? if you place them next to a Figarti AFV you will see that the Figarti AFV seems to dwarf the FL soldiers.....Looks very incompatible in terms of size to me....What do you think?
 
Vezzolf said:
I understand what you are saying but do you own any FL WWII soldiers??? if you place them next to a Figarti AFV you will see that the Figarti AFV seems to dwarf the FL soldiers.....Looks very incompatible in terms of size to me....What do you think?
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None of my FL figures are WW2. Fmethost did that part, but with FL german figures against German AFVs. There was no Figarti JS-2 then, and there may not have been any FL Russian figures yet.. But as I measured the JS-2 at 1:30, and am pretty sure the FL figures are actually 1:30, they should go together.

Can you post a photo.

Terry
 
My intention was not to re-kindle a debate so my apologies if I did that. My thinking was that since the respective companies were 1/30 displaying FL figures with the Figarti tank (but not Figarti figures) should work.

Guess we'll find out :)
 
jazzeum said:
My intention was not to re-kindle a debate so my apologies if I did that. My thinking was that since the respective companies were 1/30 displaying FL figures with the Figarti tank (but not Figarti figures) should work.

Guess we'll find out :)
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It's not an acrimonious debate - just a friendly exchange of info. :) I can't think of anyone other than Vezzolf who has FL Russian figures and the Figarti JS-2, so he will have to do the comparison.

Terry
 
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