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[Phantom Warrior]

The point here to me is not about any particular manufacturer but I think your comparison to art is a bit off the mark. The styles of impressionist vs renaissance vs cubism vs abstract are questions of preference. The brushstrokes, and evident technique for each style is a question of skill for the given style. Personally I could care less what anyone collects but observing a given level of achievement for a given release can most certainly be a factual observation, not an expression of taste.

Exactly. The figures from the different manufacturers all have different brush strokes, and skill (level of detail) and style so I think the analogy to the different styles of painting is a valid one.

Terry

 

[jazzeum]

Not only that but what one "considers a given level of achievement" is a value judgment, an opinion, and what one considers as "facts" may not necessarily be but judgments. To be a fact something must be empirically true and supportable by evidence. The quality of a paint job will also be somewhat subjective as is the notion of something being "best."

I seem to recall many threads in several other forums which have manifested such personal exuberance.

And not just others

 

[Spitfrnd]

You are more than welcome to declare that FL is the best! They are mighty fine figures.

You are not welcome to declare that anyone who disagrees with you is 'wrong,' implying that they are not as intelligent as you are.

We've been down this road too many times before...

Please see my observation below about the term best. If however, someone disagrees with the statement of a demonstrably provable fact, then of course they would be wrong. Whether or not that implies anything about their intelligence cannot be judged by that statement alone.

We can all agree to disagree about whether what we like is better or not but hopefully we can also agree that objective observations, like that figure is X mm from sole to eye, actually only have one right answer.

 

[Spitfrnd]

Not only that but what one "considers a given level of achievement" is a value judgment, an opinion, and what one considers as "facts" may not necessarily be but judgments. To be a fact something must be empirically true and supportable by evidence. The quality of a paint job will also be somewhat subjective as is the notion of something being "best."

No it isn't really. If you establish the criteria for what a given level are then the degree to which those criteria are satisfied can be demonstrated, which is indeed supportable by evidence and can be shown to be empirically true. For example, I feel certain we could prove that your level of musical achievement is not as good as that of Claptons. We could likewise prove it is better than mine. As to best, again it is a question of accurately stating your criteria, which can be no mean feat.

 

[Spitfrnd]

Exactly. The figures from the different manufacturers all have different brush strokes, and skill (level of detail) and style so I think the analogy to the different styles of painting is a valid one.

Terry

Not in the way you stated it since by definition that difference can exist within each style and what is appropriate for one style would not necessarily be appropriate for another. For any style however, a given artists level of technique can be objectively assessed.

 

[Peter Reuss]

You can praise one company without denigrating another - that will lead to a fight 100% of the time and it serves no purpose. So no matter how you try to parse it, people hear you saying, "FL is better than K&C...agree with me or you are blind!" That attitude is not acceptable on this forum.

Enough on this...

To get back to the theme of this thread...

First Legion has some great new figures.

 

[jazzeum]

FL has some great new figures indeed and we must be paying some homage to them as we seem to be always "jousting"

 

[tdubel]

So no matter how you try to parse it, people hear you saying, "FL is better than K&C...agree with me or you are blind!" That attitude is not acceptable on this forum.

Enough on this...

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I think this is a good summation, can this dead horse die?

Seriously, I think there is a lot of great stuff out there, but to say something is the best to me is because it is the STYLE I LIKE BEST!!!!!! Subjective to the hilt.

Yes we all agree there is fine quality and sculpting going on by a lot of manufacturers!

TD

 

[kingtoot]

My first 8 figs arrived-no photos yet BUT these figures are just F A N T A S T I C!!! Wouw wouw wouw. The painting is the best I have ever seen on any 54mm pre-painted figure! Wellsculpting is in another league anyway.
So it really makes my laugh aloud when I read what some people have to say about these as compared to the so-called competition - just uncomparable!
Oh and btw this is not IMOHO - this is a fact which every objective observer will confirm. Accurate sculpts and fantastic painting.
Well done Matt.[/QUOTE]

How can a compliment to one Mfr. be an insult to another? I see no brand names here...Figure painting wise - FL is by far better than anybody else out there, maybe that's why they are pricier than ACME brand name toy soldiers..get over it people

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Please see my observation below about the term best. If however, someone disagrees with the statement of a demonstrably provable fact, then of course they would be wrong. Whether or not that implies anything about their intelligence cannot be judged by that statement alone.

We can all agree to disagree about whether what we like is better or not but hopefully we can also agree that objective observations, like that figure is X mm from sole to eye, actually only have one right answer.

I hope you are not playing the scale card.

Terry

 

[Phantom Warrior]

My first 8 figs arrived-no photos yet BUT these figures are just F A N T A S T I C!!! Wouw wouw wouw. The painting is the best I have ever seen on any 54mm pre-painted figure! Wellsculpting is in another league anyway.
So it really makes my laugh aloud when I read what some people have to say about these as compared to the so-called competition - just uncomparable!
Oh and btw this is not IMOHO - this is a fact which every objective observer will confirm. Accurate sculpts and fantastic painting.
Well done Matt.

How can a compliment to one Mfr. be an insult to another? I see no brand names here...Figure painting wise - FL is by far better than anybody else out there, maybe that's why they are pricier than ACME brand name toy soldiers..get over it people[/QUOTE]

They are not "better" to people who collect only glossy figures, or only Pacific WW2. They can't be because FL hasn't made any glossy figures that I know of, or any WW2 Pacific figures either.

Terry

 

[jazzeum]

FL is by far better than anybody else out there, maybe that's why they are pricier than ACME brand name toy soldiers..get over it people

As noted what is better or best is a subjective opinion. One should be happy with what they collect without denigrating another because saying "x" is best implies that "y" is not.

I didn't realize FL was making Pacific figures Only kidding. I'm glad that you are ecstatic with your purchase

 

[Rutledge]

Please see my observation below about the term best. If however, someone disagrees with the statement of a demonstrably provable fact, then of course they would be wrong. Whether or not that implies anything about their intelligence cannot be judged by that statement alone.

We can all agree to disagree about whether what we like is better or not but hopefully we can also agree that objective observations, like that figure is X mm from sole to eye, actually only have one right answer.

"One man's meat is another man's poison."
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
"That is why they make chocolate and vanilla."
"Opinions are like 'elbows', everyone has one."

To be completely objective, something must be measurable in a quantifiable sense. 5 is certainly greater than 4. But A is not necessarily "greater" than B.

 

[RoughRider]

I just received my first AWI miniatures. They are excellent! I have about 300 AWI figures from King and Country. They are a different flavor but I intend to collect both of them. The two are not compatible for the same diorama but they both are exceptional and will bring history alive. Both Matt and Andy can be commended for their dedication to a quality product.

 

[Spitfrnd]

.... So no matter how you try to parse it, people hear you saying, "FL is better than K&C...agree with me or you are blind!" That attitude is not acceptable on this forum.

Enough on this...

To get back to the theme of this thread...

First Legion has some great new figures.

Yes they do. Otherwise I have no idea what you are trying to say Peter; black is white; green is blue, whatever. Nothing I have said can possibly be used as an excuse for anything other than a polite conversation about the process of objective analysis. However, I am pleased to let it go since the point seems lost on some but suffice it to say we seem to have a different way of thinking.

 

[Spitfrnd]

I just received my first AWI miniatures. They are excellent! I have about 300 AWI figures from King and Country. They are a different flavor but I intend to collect both of them. The two are not compatible for the same diorama but they both are exceptional and will bring history alive. Both Matt and Andy can be commended for their dedication to a quality product.

Great mate, glad you are enjoying both.

 

[tdubel]

Yes they do. Otherwise I have no idea what you are trying to say Peter; black is white; green is blue, whatever. Nothing I have said can possibly be used as an excuse for anything other than a polite conversation about the process of objective analysis. However, I am pleased to let it go since the point seems lost on some but suffice it to say we seem to have a different way of thinking.

Bill I hear ya, and yes this is polite albeit for the most part! I think where some of us disagree is I don't see any objectiveness in Toy Soldiers, because I personally think a lot of them are the "best" b/c I like the style and it is all subjective on my part.

I personally think the Trophy Dhow I have is the best piece in my collection and the best ever done by any manufacturer because it appeals to me the most.

Not trying to argue here, just trying to show where my thoughts are coming from.

The new ARW FL's are very nice and I might consider the personalities if and when they arrive b/c that is what I like if they are in this style. But, my preference still lies with my old Britains ARW sets b/c they appeal most to me in dioramic settings. Again, that is what I like.

We all like different flavors, I tend to find a way to appreciate what I like regardless of who made it.

 

[Vezzolf]

I like First Legion figures the best....oops !!! Did I say that right?

 

[Alex]

I would like to add my 2 cents.

I was an avid collector of K&C figures (like more than 1000 of those) and have also some collector's showcase figures, some Figartis and some honour bound and some Aeroart.

Those manufacturers are making products that are addressing sometimes the same era period of warfare and are treating these subjects a little bit differently : topic is different, sculpting is, scale is, painting is, rendering of faces is, price is, dealer network is, etc. You get my point.

HOWEVER if you check like me sometimes what the modelers are able to do these days in terms of 54, 75 or 90mm figures (check planetfigure.com for example), you'll see that the 3 manufacturers who are approching the most the quality/style/rendering of the best modeler's figure out there are in no particular order :

-St-Petersburg's figures
-Aeroart
-First Legion

FL is of course the leader of these 3 if we talk about price vs quality ratio and this is where is the strength of this company. FL figures are not for everyone but they're surely the best out there for someone like me who can't paint (don't know how to hold a brush) like the russians can. For the price those are a steal. Indeed, with my next order, I'm picking up the 90mm Saladin unpainted by FL and will get it painted by a pro modeler for something like 750-1000$... not for everyone but I can't wait to see the result !

Alex

 

[marco55]

Alex.
Did you see the painted version of the Saladin by a painter from Greece who goes by the name Major Goose?It was gorgeous.It was on Planet Figure and Timelines a month or two ago.
Mark