Understood. By way of comparison, we Skins fans have far less kind memories of LT. He just plain bedeviled us. Just ask Joe Theisman. -- Al
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I'll never forget that play as long as I live. Watching the game on TV live, I saw it happen (LT was blocked into Theisman's leg by one of the Hogs, and his lower leg just snapped). I was naseous, and to this day I have never watched the replay. You know your Redskins won that game, as the Giants defense just couldn't play after seeing what happened to Joe.
Yes, it was hideous. The thing I remember was LT waving frantically for help. He was the most upset man on the field (except Joe). It was extremely tough to watch and it is the play that sticks out most in my memory of Redskins football. -- Al
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Re the Steelers and Lambert
I really think LT was in the style of Lambert- just more aggressive and overall more talented. Putting Lambert in the same field as LT isn't that much of a stretch though he wasn't as dominating. LT was better but Lambert was no slouch. Louis, I don't know where that survey came from but to each his own.
Big Ben- that guy is really amazing. Ain't the brightest guy on the field. But the boy can win. I really felt his performance against the Cards was one of the best of any QB in the big game. He is as tough as anyone I have ever seen play at any position, much less QB.
This year. the Steelers just keep finding ways to win.
I really think LT was in the style of Lambert- just more aggressive and overall more talented. Putting Lambert in the same field as LT isn't that much of a stretch though he wasn't as dominating. LT was better but Lambert was no slouch. Louis, I don't know where that survey came from but to each his own.
Big Ben- that guy is really amazing. Ain't the brightest guy on the field. But the boy can win. I really felt his performance against the Cards was one of the best of any QB in the big game. He is as tough as anyone I have ever seen play at any position, much less QB.
This year. the Steelers just keep finding ways to win.
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Chirs,
Lambert is a hall of famer and one of the top 10 linebackers of all time, I am not trying to say he wasn't great. I am merely saying that while he was great, he wasn't as great, or as dominating as LT, Butkus or Nitzke, so I thought Tom was being a bit overly partisan putting LT first.
There is no question that Big Ben is tough, but do you really see him as being in the same conversation with the all time greats as a QB right now? Maybe if he wins two more Superbowls, which is certainly possible, as he is young and still great, on a perrineally terrific team.
As of right now, I can't see him as comparable to the all time elite QB's, like Joe Montana (4-0 in Superbowls), Tom Brady (3-1 in Superbowls, led a 4th quarter drive to take the lead with less than 2 minutes left in the one he lost), Terry Bradshaw (4-0 in Superbowls), Troy Aikman (3-0 in Superbowls) or Bart Starr (6-0 in Championship games, including 2-0 in Superbowls), all of whom have 3 or more Championships, and all of whom have multiple MVP-caliber performances in Championship games.
In today's game (I am not going to list Brett Favre, a sure Hall of Famer, as he is for all intents and purposes done for the year and retired), I see Brady as the best, Peyton Manning as a distant second (both Hall of Famers), then a group of several QB's who are terrific, but not yet Hall of Fame caliber, which includes Big Ben (2 rings), Drew Breeze (1 ring), Aaron Rogers (no titles yet), Phillip Rivers (no titles yet), Michael Vick (no titles yet), Matt Ryan (no titles yet), Eli Manning (1 ring) and Jay Cutler (no titles yet).
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First off- it's C-H-R-I-S
You are an attorney correct? Love it when Troy is spoken so highly of. I have lost all the enthusiasm I ever had for NFL when he hung it up.
Big Ben is really an anomaly- sort of like Bradshaw. No, he's nothing like any of the QB's he mentioned. But the boy wins. And rides motorcycles without a helmet. He's really a throwback to Bradshaw, who is never mentioned as a top of his class QB either. I would take Big Ben over Rivers, Vick, Cutler (Seriously- were you thinking on that one
), Ryan, Manning- at any stage of his career, Favre- at any stage of his career. In fact, I would take Big Ben over any QB except for Troy, Montana or Brady. I simply think he is that good. I'd take him over Marino or Elway. He isn't one of those QBs who throws a game away- like Favre. That is something that seems to be a rare quality these days. His stupid mistakes seem to be confined to off the playing field antics.
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First off- it's C-H-R-I-S
Love it when Troy is spoken so highly of. I have lost all the enthusiasm I ever had for NFL when he hung it up.
Big Ben is really an anomaly- sort of like Bradshaw. No, he's nothing like any of the QB's he mentioned. But the boy wins. And rides motorcycles without a helmet. He's really a throwback to Bradshaw, who is never mentioned as a top of his class QB either. I would take Big Ben over Rivers, Vick, Cutler (Seriously- were you thinking on that one
Chris,
Sorry about the typo in your name.
I would also take Ben over "Rivers, Vick, Cutler (Seriously- were you thinking on that one
), Ryan, [Eli] Manning", - that's why I listed him first, but I think you have to wait until their respective careers are over before passing final judgment.I would definitely take Bradshaw, Elway and Bart Starr (6 Championships, 2 Superbowl MVP's) over Big Ben right now.
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Worst, most awful, excruciatingly painful Vikes game. Ever.
Playing your third-string quarterback with a hamstring injury to spell your 2nd-string quarterback with toe and knee injuries, in for the bruised and battered Farve out with a shoulder injury, then having your star running back smash knees with your already injured 2nd-string quarterback resulting in a season low carries and rushing for aforementioned star running back...then pass after pass wildly overthrown...
I've seen more completed passes in a pickup game in a nursing home hallway.
Pathetically awful can't begin to describe the Vikings efforts in last night.
Didn't help that our 'home game' was at a competitor's field in front of a stadium of anyone who chose to wander in lured by free admission so it wouldn't look like a closed-practice scrimmage. Can't imagine there were too many Lions fans rooting for the Vikes--crowd involvement was negligible although they did an impressive 'wave' to keep themselves entertained overcoming the pesky distraction of an NFL game in progress on the field.
On the plus side for the Vikings' owner anyway, this strengthens Wilfe's bid for the new stadium he's been begging for. And for the fans the positive is that it left no question in anyone's mind that we need to pick up a new starting quarterback for 2011 as T-Jack looked his usual non-starting quarterback self.
I just hope the horror that was this game doesn't hurt Frazier's chances of dropping the 'interim' from his head coach title. I've been hoping he'd replace Childress for a long time.
A moment of silence as we lay the memory of this embarrasingly awful game to rest under the 20-foot drifts of snow currently covering the field of the Metrodome.
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Chris,
Sorry about the typo in your name.
I would also take Ben over "Rivers, Vick, Cutler (Seriously- were you thinking on that one
I would definitely take Bradshaw, Elway and Bart Starr (6 Championships, 2 Superbowl MVP's) over Big Ben right now.
Louis,
My point on Lambert vs LT is that it is all opinion. I do think LT was one of the greatest ever, I also think Lambert was too.
Moreso, the Steel Curtain as a unit was one of the best defenses ever.
Point is , it is all opinion.
Now, as to BIG BEN, he as Chris points out finds a way to win. He also has WON 2 Superbowls already. That will be enough to put him in the Hall in my opinion. He just finds a way to win. I believe his game winning drive stat is climbing, he may never catch Elway, but in a way, he is the Elway of this era with regard to game winning drives.
In the game today as I was discussing with a good friend, I agree with, here is my take on qb's: Tom Brady - height of his game, clutch qb, consistent and wins big games. Peyton Manning - stat leader, great qb, great stats, has had a few issues in big games. Ben R. - clutch, consistent, he is the master of extending plays, he is a load to bring down. They are all different and great in their own way.
I think we are all going to be partisan to our favorites.
Back to Lambert, check out any of the documentaries where they interview opposing offenses and discuss Lambert, a lot of those guys dreaded playing against him for good reason. He was the overachiever of his day. You could argue that Ray Lewis's style play was patterned after Lambert at the Middle Linebacker position.
As the decades go by, more and more great players go through the game. It is going to be harder and harder to say who was the greatest ever.
TD
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Louis you are entitled to like your Superbowls; for me, I am totally with Al. The Riggins bowl and the Denver comeback blowout with Doug Williams (Denver did own the first quarter) are simply the best.
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Louis you are entitled to like your Superbowls; for me, I am totally with Al. The Riggins bowl and the Denver comeback blowout with Doug Williams (Denver did own the first quarter) are simply the best.
I am with you, forget the nailbiters, I will take all 4 1970s Steelers Super Bowls anyday for a nice afternoon rewind!
TD
Now, my definition of a great Superbowl is when my team wins, and by a large margin.
I don't care for excitement or suspense when my team (the Skins) are involved. I think you would have to agree that the Riggins 4th down touchdown run was a great Superbowl moment in a great Superbowl. The Doug Williams display in the 2nd quarter against the Broncos (35 points in 15 minutes, a SB record) was also a great moment in a great team performance in a great Superbowl. Now, I realize my great SB is another man's snoozefest, but I like my team to win without me having a nervous breakdown. When my team isn't playing, I am much less involved, so those games can't be great by MY definition. There have only been 5 great SB's, IMO, and the Redskins won 3 of them. The other two were won by the Baltimore Colts and Baltimore Ravens. I'm a homer. Now, don't you feel the same about the Giants? -- Al
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Al,
That's my definition of an enjoyable Superbowl, not a great Superbowl. Was it more enjoyable to watch the Giants beat the heck out of the Bronco's as it happened? You bet.
Was my stomach doing backflips thoughout the game in Tampa, especially as Scott Norwood got ready to attempt the field goal as time expired? Yes.
Was I stressed out as Brady put the Pats ahead with less than two minutes to go, Eli nearly threw a bone-headed interception, then somehow escaped being sacked and threw the ball to Tyree for that miraculous helmet-assisted catch? Guilty (believe it or not, I was not nervous after that - once he made that catch, I knew we were going to win).
But, if I am going to watch a replay of one of a Superbowl, it will be one of the tight ones. Blow outs are boring, unless its your team doing the blowing out.
That's my definition of an enjoyable Superbowl, not a great Superbowl. Was it more enjoyable to watch the Giants beat the heck out of the Bronco's as it happened? You bet.
Was my stomach doing backflips thoughout the game in Tampa, especially as Scott Norwood got ready to attempt the field goal as time expired?
Yes.Was I stressed out as Brady put the Pats ahead with less than two minutes to go, Eli nearly threw a bone-headed interception, then somehow escaped being sacked and threw the ball to Tyree for that miraculous helmet-assisted catch?
Guilty (believe it or not, I was not nervous after that - once he made that catch, I knew we were going to win). But, if I am going to watch a replay of one of a Superbowl, it will be one of the tight ones. Blow outs are boring, unless its your team doing the blowing out.
I have to admit, the SB's with my teams in the game, are not very enjoyable. I'm much to wrapped up in them, and a nervous wreck, to be able to enjoy watching them. If my team wins, it's a great SB. If we lose, well, it's an unmatched disaster. Now, if I have no team in the SB, I can enjoy watching the game, but it will just be fun and not great for me. SB's are all or nothing if my team is in and just entertainment if my team is not in. Just the way I am. Same with the World Series. At least the NYY win pretty often whereas it has been a while since the Skins and Orioles have made me sweat.Al,
That's my definition of an enjoyable Superbowl, not a great Superbowl. Was it more enjoyable to watch the Giants beat the heck out of the Bronco's as it happened? You bet.
Was my stomach doing backflips thoughout the game in Tampa, especially as Scott Norwood got ready to attempt the field goal as time expired?
Was I stressed out as Brady put the Pats ahead with less than two minutes to go, Eli nearly threw a bone-headed interception, then somehow escaped being sacked and threw the ball to Tyree for that miraculous helmet-assisted catch?
But, if I am going to watch a replay of one of a Superbowl, it will be one of the tight ones. Blow outs are boring, unless its your team doing the blowing out.
-- AlP.S. - I still haven't gotten over SB III or the '69 WS.
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P.S. - I still haven't gotten over SB III or the '69 WS.
Al,
What are you talking about. SB III and 69 Series were great!
LOL. Not if you live south of the Mason-Dixon Line.Al,
What are you talking about. SB III and 69 Series were great!
-- Al
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You could make an argument that the Orioles were the better team that year but they didn't show it and were too cocky, not to mention that fate seemed to lean the Mets way (the Agee catches and the Swoboda catch).
However, the Jets were the better team that year, not to mention the AFL was coming on, plus that was a game the AFL had to have after what happened in SB I and II.
The relevant gods were just not kind to Baltimore that year....fortunately
However, the Jets were the better team that year, not to mention the AFL was coming on, plus that was a game the AFL had to have after what happened in SB I and II.
The relevant gods were just not kind to Baltimore that year....fortunately
I think over confidence did in both the Orioles and Colts that year. I have no doubt that the Orioles were a superior team as they were in a streak of four WS appearances in 6 years, '66 (won), '69 (lost), '70 (won), and '71 (lost). These were terrific teams with great pitching, hitting, and defense. The Colts and Jets were roughly equal offensively but the Colts were much better defensively, allowing about half the points over the season that the Jets did. It was the Colt offense that failed so miserably in the SB. They couldn't score when they had the opportunity and they turned the ball over 5 times. Namath played very well and kept the ball out of the Colt's hands. Offensive yardage totals were pretty even. Turnovers told the tale. Overconfidence, taking the Jets and the AFL lightly, doomed the Colts. I am still shocked over the result and firmly believe (blindly, I know) that the Colts should have won that game in a walk. -- AlYou could make an argument that the Orioles were the better team that year but they didn't show it and were too cocky, not to mention that fate seemed to lean the Mets way (the Agee catches and the Swoboda catch).
However, the Jets were the better team that year, not to mention the AFL was coming on, plus that was a game the AFL had to have after what happened in SB I and II.
The relevant gods were just not kind to Baltimore that year....fortunately
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Those Oriole teams of the mid sixties to early 70's were loaded, chock full of Hall of famers, just a machine.
Understood how you feel regarding the Super Bowl loss, saw a program on the NFL network about the team that beat the Cowboys on O'briens kick, Bubba Smith said he was on the field after the game and did not feel a bit happy, the loss in 1969 still bothered him. Mike Curtis said the same thing, 1969 stuck in his craw and still does to this day.
Just like the 2008 Super Bowl loss to the Giants will stick in the players craw and all of the fans craw until the day they leave the earth.
How they lost that game to that team and that QB is and always will be a mystery to me, I feel the way you do, they should have won that game in a walk.